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How good is Deontay Wilder? Is he the next great heavyweight?
He looks pretty big and scary. About 6'6", 260lbs.

What do you think of him?

Who will beat him?

260?

Try 225-230

Deontay has averaged 228 pounds in his last four fights. He is age 30, and is generally ranked somewhere between #3 and #7; which is still the highest ranking he's held in his career. He is clearly not the next Wlad / Vitali / Lennox / Tyson / Holyfield / Bowe. His accomplishments aren't really any better than that of 30-year-old Ruslan Chagaev or Sam Peter. I think, in the end, Deontay's career will probably be comparable to that of Chris Byrd, David Tua, or Michael Moorer.

He's a showfighter, he's like the new Fabio Maldonado, the even more extreme version of it. If he starts losing, like against that junkie in his last fight when he injured himself, they simply ask their opponend to quit and then he ends up like the winner anyway, make a big show of it and have another early stoppage on their name. Malik Scott clearly took a dive as well quite recently. Damon mcCrary used to be a welterweight a decade before his Wilder fight. Anyway, he's making big money right now by simply splitting the cash with his opponend and if his opponend is planning to actually win, they simply don't accept him as an opponend. The WBC is also 100% involved and do everything he's asking for.

Not sure where you got the 260lb from, he's a tall (6'7"), relatively skinny (he has been sub 220lb not too long ago) heavyweight. I actually think this is a good thing as he's likely to have better stamina than more musclebound heavyweights like Joshua.

He seems to have quite good stamina as well as good hand speed and good foot speed and athleticism - he beat Stiverne largely on his superior reach, foot speed and stamina. His long right hand is one of the best punches in boxing and could take anyone out. His chin seems of a reasonable standard too.

On the minus side, his jab is below the Klitschko/Fury standard, so he doesn't dominate opponents on the outside with it. His left hook and uppercut are under-developed and his inside game is nonexistent and he's not exactly hard to hit.

I'd take Wlad (if he has anything left), Fury (if he's of sound mind and reasonable shape), Joshua and Povetkin to beat him. Takam-Wilder would be interesting, maybe a 50:50 fight.

asdfjkl wrote:He's a showfighter, he's like the new Fabio Maldonado, the even more extreme version of it. If he starts losing, like against that junkie in his last fight when he injured himself, they simply ask their opponend to quit and then he ends up like the winner anyway, make a big show of it and have another early stoppage on their name. Malik Scott clearly took a dive as well quite recently. Damon mcCrary used to be a welterweight a decade before his Wilder fight. Anyway, he's making big money right now by simply splitting the cash with his opponend and if his opponend is planning to actually win, they simply don't accept him as an opponend. The WBC is also 100% involved and do everything he's asking for.

Those are some very serious acquisitions you are posting.
What proof of this do you have?

asdfjkl's Wilder posts are always fun reading

crusader wrote:asdfjkl's Wilder posts are always fun reading

Especially seeing as we can just boxrec McCreary's record to see he was never a welterweight professional even 18 years ago when he made his debut.

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:He's a showfighter, he's like the new Fabio Maldonado, the even more extreme version of it. If he starts losing, like against that junkie in his last fight when he injured himself, they simply ask their opponend to quit and then he ends up like the winner anyway, make a big show of it and have another early stoppage on their name. Malik Scott clearly took a dive as well quite recently. Damon mcCrary used to be a welterweight a decade before his Wilder fight. Anyway, he's making big money right now by simply splitting the cash with his opponend and if his opponend is planning to actually win, they simply don't accept him as an opponend. The WBC is also 100% involved and do everything he's asking for.

Those are some very serious acquisitions you are posting.
What proof of this do you have?

Just look at his record and compare it to Fabio Maldonado his record?

You can watch the fight between Arreola and Wilder if you like, it's still out there on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dchCXeYbLNw&t=1910s
Around 31:50 till 38:00, you can see Arreola stops hitting, or only gives very soft hits, while Wilder is injured on his right arm and while sitting on his chair everything suddenly stops, then you see the crowd looking confused and leaving and the commentator saying it went according to the script ( 37:41 ).

Now compare this to a serious heavyweight fight like Parker Takam for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lec1oqB8T74&t=1760s
Around 29:20 you can see how they fight in the 8th round.

About the Damon McCreary fight, I mean come on, a 170 pound boxer that gained over 90 pounds in 11 years and then suddenly be a heavyweight and fight Wilder? And then be surprised he get a knee injury? Yea sorry, but I can't take it serious.

And then the Malik Scott, just check it out on youtube, pretty much everyone agrees this is a dive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Even the fans are booing and the commentators seem to doubt about what's going on.


Or take a look at the Jason Gavern fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeYplT2qPU

Short notice, out of shape Jason Gavern, eventually sitting on his chair stopping the fight. Now I admit Jason is clearly losing, but on the other side, it's clear that other boxers, like AJ and Jun Long Zhang have absolutely no trouble at all against Gavern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aFDPvhgk_s


Judge for yourself, if you think Wilder will completely dominate AJ, be my guest, but I don't think so lol, not at all. I predict Wilder would lose against Jun Long Zhang.

And about the WBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj5RScectU0


You tell me what you see, Povetkin is the mandatory, and was already ranked high for many years, now suddenly the WBC is trying to get rid of him ever since Wilder wanted. Every time Wilder manages to delay the fight, or manages to get parties involved that manage to delay the fight.
Meanwhile Wilder got the media in his back, blackmailing several of his opponends, things like that.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:He's a showfighter, he's like the new Fabio Maldonado, the even more extreme version of it. If he starts losing, like against that junkie in his last fight when he injured himself, they simply ask their opponend to quit and then he ends up like the winner anyway, make a big show of it and have another early stoppage on their name. Malik Scott clearly took a dive as well quite recently. Damon mcCrary used to be a welterweight a decade before his Wilder fight. Anyway, he's making big money right now by simply splitting the cash with his opponend and if his opponend is planning to actually win, they simply don't accept him as an opponend. The WBC is also 100% involved and do everything he's asking for.

Those are some very serious acquisitions you are posting.
What proof of this do you have?

Just look at his record and compare it to Fabio Maldonado his record?

You can watch the fight between Arreola and Wilder if you like, it's still out there on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dchCXeYbLNw&t=1910s
Around 31:50 till 38:00, you can see Arreola stops hitting, or only gives very soft hits, while Wilder is injured on his right arm and while sitting on his chair everything suddenly stops, then you see the crowd looking confused and leaving and the commentator saying it went according to the script ( 37:41 ).

Now compare this to a serious heavyweight fight like Parker Takam for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lec1oqB8T74&t=1760s
Around 29:20 you can see how they fight in the 8th round.

About the Damon McCreary fight, I mean come on, a 170 pound boxer that gained over 90 pounds in 11 years and then suddenly be a heavyweight and fight Wilder? And then be surprised he get a knee injury? Yea sorry, but I can't take it serious.

And then the Malik Scott, just check it out on youtube, pretty much everyone agrees this is a dive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Even the fans are booing and the commentators seem to doubt about what's going on.


Or take a look at the Jason Gavern fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeYplT2qPU

Short notice, out of shape Jason Gavern, eventually sitting on his chair stopping the fight. Now I admit Jason is clearly losing, but on the other side, it's clear that other boxers, like AJ and Jun Long Zhang have absolutely no trouble at all against Gavern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aFDPvhgk_s


Judge for yourself, if you think Wilder will completely dominate AJ, be my guest, but I don't think so lol, not at all. I predict Wilder would lose against Jun Long Zhang.

And about the WBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj5RScectU0


You tell me what you see, Povetkin is the mandatory, and was already ranked high for many years, now suddenly the WBC is trying to get rid of him ever since Wilder wanted. Every time Wilder manages to delay the fight, or manages to get parties involved that manage to delay the fight.
Meanwhile Wilder got the media in his back, blackmailing several of his opponends, things like that.

Obsessed much with Wilder's "opponends?"

Tanzio wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Those are some very serious acquisitions you are posting.
What proof of this do you have?

Just look at his record and compare it to Fabio Maldonado his record?

You can watch the fight between Arreola and Wilder if you like, it's still out there on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dchCXeYbLNw&t=1910s
Around 31:50 till 38:00, you can see Arreola stops hitting, or only gives very soft hits, while Wilder is injured on his right arm and while sitting on his chair everything suddenly stops, then you see the crowd looking confused and leaving and the commentator saying it went according to the script ( 37:41 ).

Now compare this to a serious heavyweight fight like Parker Takam for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lec1oqB8T74&t=1760s
Around 29:20 you can see how they fight in the 8th round.

About the Damon McCreary fight, I mean come on, a 170 pound boxer that gained over 90 pounds in 11 years and then suddenly be a heavyweight and fight Wilder? And then be surprised he get a knee injury? Yea sorry, but I can't take it serious.

And then the Malik Scott, just check it out on youtube, pretty much everyone agrees this is a dive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Even the fans are booing and the commentators seem to doubt about what's going on.


Or take a look at the Jason Gavern fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeYplT2qPU

Short notice, out of shape Jason Gavern, eventually sitting on his chair stopping the fight. Now I admit Jason is clearly losing, but on the other side, it's clear that other boxers, like AJ and Jun Long Zhang have absolutely no trouble at all against Gavern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aFDPvhgk_s


Judge for yourself, if you think Wilder will completely dominate AJ, be my guest, but I don't think so lol, not at all. I predict Wilder would lose against Jun Long Zhang.

And about the WBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj5RScectU0


You tell me what you see, Povetkin is the mandatory, and was already ranked high for many years, now suddenly the WBC is trying to get rid of him ever since Wilder wanted. Every time Wilder manages to delay the fight, or manages to get parties involved that manage to delay the fight.
Meanwhile Wilder got the media in his back, blackmailing several of his opponends, things like that.

Obsessed much with Wilder's "opponends?"

I'm a bit obsessed by the heavyweight league as a whole, I think I recognice at least 90% of the names in the top 100 and another 50% ish between the 100/200. Not specifically about Wilder. He's just another heavyweight out there and TBH I'm not impressed.

Deontay Wilder is very similar to the heavyweight in the movie The Harder They Fall.

He even has a tour bus like the HW in that movie!

Watch the movie, and you'll learn all about Wilder. His opponents have been shot fighters (Lyakhovich, Arreola), low level journeymen (Nichols) or paid to take a dive (Malik Scott).

Anthony Joshua is a real talent and the one to watch, he's not a phony like Wilder.

Freedom2013 wrote:Deontay Wilder is very similar to the heavyweight in the movie The Harder They Fall.

He even has a tour bus like the HW in that movie!

Watch the movie, and you'll learn all about Wilder. His opponents have been shot fighters (Lyakhovich, Arreola), low level journeymen (Nichols) or paid to take a dive (Malik Scott).

Anthony Joshua is a real talent and the one to watch, he's not a phony like Wilder.

I am very high on Joshua as well, but to say he is the real deal and more proven than Wilder at this point is simply a stupid thing to say. Both have weak resumes. Both are big and big punchers. Lets hope they fight and find out who the boss is.

I like Wilder. He brings some excitement to the heavies which we aint had in a long time. I think that Russian that Teddy Atlas used to train would school him. I also think that Cuban Ortiz would KO him. That's a bad man right there.

jewboypgh wrote:I like Wilder. He brings some excitement to the heavies which we aint had in a long time. I think that Russian that Teddy Atlas used to train would school him. I also think that Cuban Ortiz would KO him. That's a bad man right there.

I think Teddy Atlas version of Povetkin was the worst one.

Boxing Writer wrote:

jewboypgh wrote:I like Wilder. He brings some excitement to the heavies which we aint had in a long time. I think that Russian that Teddy Atlas used to train would school him. I also think that Cuban Ortiz would KO him. That's a bad man right there.

I think Teddy Atlas version of Povetkin was the worst one.

Atlas may know a tremendous amount about boxing, but I don't think he's a great trainer. Too much psychological BS. I don't think he helped Bradley, Grant, Povetkin, or Moorer much at all. He's a better announcer than trainer IMO.

Lackeos wrote:Deontay has averaged 228 pounds in his last four fights. He is age 30, and is generally ranked somewhere between #3 and #7; which is still the highest ranking he's held in his career. He is clearly not the next Wlad / Vitali / Lennox / Tyson / Holyfield / Bowe. His accomplishments aren't really any better than that of 30-year-old Ruslan Chagaev or Sam Peter. I think, in the end, Deontay's career will probably be comparable to that of Chris Byrd, David Tua, or Michael Moorer.

He's held the coveted green belt for nearly 2 years. He needs to have them big fights now and potential unification fights. The heavyweight division has opened up nicely recently. If he can keep winning. He's not the next big thing, I think he is fighting at his peak or near. Next big thing is some young.