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to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

Didn't really step up when it mattered most though.

Pampered from the start its rubbed off the way he does business now as a promoter will never be up with the cream of the crop just below like Canelo

Not an all time great in my view. There are more deserving fighters to include in a top 100 greatest boxers list. He flunked BIG TIME in the Fight of the Millennium, even if they would have given him the decision.

I gotta give him credit that he fought the very best fighters of his era, though.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Pampered from the start its rubbed off the way he does business now as a promoter will never be up with the cream of the crop just below like Canelo

failed to decipher what you
tried to say.

elmersalsa wrote:Not an all time great in my view. There are more deserving fighters to include in a top 100 greatest boxers list. He flunked BIG TIME in the Fight of the Millennium, even if they would have given him the decision.

I gotta give him credit that he fought the very best fighters of his era, though.

not big time, he was just stupid.

elmersalsa wrote:Not an all time great in my view. There are more deserving fighters to include in a top 100 greatest boxers list. He flunked BIG TIME in the Fight of the Millennium, even if they would have given him the decision.

I gotta give him credit that he fought the very best fighters of his era, though.

his resume is like a whos who of his era from super feather to middle including many hall of famers, he was never my cup of tea but going in with the likes of chavez, whitaker, mayweather, manny pac and hopkins just to name a few deserves some credit

littlepug wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Not an all time great in my view. There are more deserving fighters to include in a top 100 greatest boxers list. He flunked BIG TIME in the Fight of the Millennium, even if they would have given him the decision.

I gotta give him credit that he fought the very best fighters of his era, though.

his resume is like a whos who of his era from super feather to middle including many hall of famers, he was never my cup of tea but going in with the likes of chavez, whitaker, mayweather, manny pac and hopkins just to name a few deserves some credit

That he fought the very best of hi time, I don't knock him for that. He indeed fought the very best. He came short on the Felix "Tito" Trinidad. He should have finished much stronger win, lose or draw. He didn't, he flunked and he wasn't impressive in the last 3 rounds in a fight for that magnitude. Neither Tito deserves to be in the discussion with the all time greats. Was Tito a great welterweight? Yes! An all time great pound per pound? No!

With the great Bernard Hopkins, Oscar won an Oscar just like his name. Who the hell he was fooling? That shot to the body wasn't a shot to make all that histrionics.

The great Floyd Mayweather, Jr beat him, and he was smaller than Oscar. So was the great Manny Pacquiao. Pac man gave him the beating of his life.

And then, he also lost to another smaller boxer in Shane Mosley. Sugar Shane lost the second time around, though.

elmersalsa wrote:With the great Bernard Hopkins, Oscar won an Oscar just like his name. Who the hell he was fooling? That shot to the body wasn't a shot to make all that histrionics.

strongly disagree.

man wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:With the great Bernard Hopkins, Oscar won an Oscar just like his name. Who the hell he was fooling? That shot to the body wasn't a shot to make all that histrionics.

strongly disagree.

C'mon, man! That shot to the belly wasn't a shot for Oscar to be rolling all over the ring. It was a freak show. Ridiculous! DLH won an Oscar like his name for best acting performance in a fake shot to the belly.

Elmer. I am an adventurer at heart. I have asked to be tazed by a friend and came back a total of three times just to see if I could possibly respond to such an attack. I would describe the pain as debilitating and interesting. I asked Jeff McCracken to give me a full throttle Undefended liver shot just for the experience. No way I would ever ask for that twice. It hits you in a delayed wave that is impossible to will yourself out of. I have a tolerance for pain, and I hated it and was defenseless in its wake . Even a certified masochist would likely decline that particular brand of torture. It's impossible to appreciate unless you've walked that road.

Got put down in sparring once by a journeyman pro with a jab to the sweet spot, took me a good ten minutes to get back on my feet and I wasn't weak to the body or anything just got hit perfectly

elmersalsa wrote:

man wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:With the great Bernard Hopkins, Oscar won an Oscar just like his name. Who the hell he was fooling? That shot to the body wasn't a shot to make all that histrionics.

strongly disagree.

C'mon, man! That shot to the belly wasn't a shot for Oscar to be rolling all over the ring. It was a freak show. Ridiculous! DLH won an Oscar like his name for best acting performance in a fake shot to the belly.

from what i know the liver hook is a
feared punch for the excruciating pain
it causes. suggesting that oscar delahoya
of all people faked it, seems weird to me.

First time I ever heard that ODLH took a dive against Hopkins.

Looked 150% legit to me.

It wasn't a shot to the belly. It was a liver punch, and as "Man" just opined, it's the kind of punch that causes excruciating pain and pretty much paralyzes you for about 30 seconds.

DLH had far too much pride to go down in a dive.

And for what reason? He didn't need any extra money. He earned more than $300 million in purses.

Oscar is definitely HOF material.

He was the face of boxing as Tyson faded, and was a household name to even casual fans.

A DLH fight was an event.

Oscar fought them all. Ridiculous to think at one time he was branded "Chicken De la Hoya"

He was far over his best weight at 160 but fought pretty much even with the great Hopkins until the end.

Give Oscar his due. Maybe he wasn't the GOAT, and let outside interests partially derail his success (remember when he cut an album during training for the Trinidad bout?).

But he took on everyone, beat most (and some of those decisions against him---Mosely, Tito---were very suspect) and kept our favorite sport in the spotlight.

Boxing owes a big round of thanks to Oscar de la Hoya.

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Pampered from the start its rubbed off the way he does business now as a promoter will never be up with the cream of the crop just below like Canelo

failed to decipher what you
tried to say.

What the farkkkk you cannot decipher what I said get a dictionary then

golden oldie wrote:Owes boxing sweet ferk all, deserves every penny it has given him. Ducked NO ONE, was involved in some of the biggest fights in recent years, and through his looks and marketability made some parasitical scum very wealthy along the way.

Boxing owes him nothing he owes Boxing........... richer then his wildest dream's yes he did fight every body that's what the problem is because as a promoter he is a joke.He is one of the main promoter's killing the game.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Pampered from the start its rubbed off the way he does business now as a promoter will never be up with the cream of the crop just below like Canelo

failed to decipher what you
tried to say.

What the farkkkk you cannot decipher what I said get a dictionary then

i got that.

man wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

man wrote: strongly disagree.

C'mon, man! That shot to the belly wasn't a shot for Oscar to be rolling all over the ring. It was a freak show. Ridiculous! DLH won an Oscar like his name for best acting performance in a fake shot to the belly.

from what i know the liver hook is a
feared punch for the excruciating pain
it causes. suggesting that oscar delahoya
of all people faked it, seems weird to me.

Welcome to elmerland.

SenorPipino wrote:First time I ever heard that ODLH took a dive against Hopkins.

Looked 150% legit to me.

It wasn't a shot to the belly. It was a liver punch, and as "Man" just opined, it's the kind of punch that causes excruciating pain and pretty much paralyzes you for about 30 seconds.

DLH had far too much pride to go down in a dive.

And for what reason? He didn't need any extra money. He earned more than $300 million in purses.

Oscar is definitely HOF material.

He was the face of boxing as Tyson faded, and was a household name to even casual fans.

A DLH fight was an event.

Oscar fought them all. Ridiculous to think at one time he was branded "Chicken De la Hoya"

He was far over his best weight at 160 but fought pretty much even with the great Hopkins until the end.

Give Oscar his due. Maybe he wasn't the GOAT, and let outside interests partially derail his success (remember when he cut an album during training for the Trinidad bout?).

But he took on everyone, beat most (and some of those decisions against him---Mosely, Tito---were very suspect) and kept our favorite sport in the spotlight.

Boxing owes a big round of thanks to Oscar de la Hoya.

This point is often forgotten. Some people need to rewatch that fight.

I don't understand the dislike for Oscar, at least not as a fighter. The list of opponents is incredible: Chavez x2, Whitaker, Camacho, Quartey, Tito, Mosley x2, Vargas, Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao. Didn't win them all, but in a way that makes me respect him even more for continuing the step up and fight the best. Boxing would be a better sport if there were more fighters like De La Hoya imo. Whether he is an ATG is a different question, but either way he deserves huge credit for what he did.

man wrote:to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

All that being said. You gotta admire Oscar as a fighter. Most fighters with his star power and standing in the sport wouldn't take half the chances he took to prove he was the best. Hell these days it's all you can do to get guys to fight a Top 10 contender. De La Hoya fought the P4P #1 fighter like 4 times.

gilgamesh wrote:All that being said. You gotta admire Oscar as a fighter. Most fighters with his star power and standing in the sport wouldn't take half the chances he took to prove he was the best. Hell these days it's all you can do to get guys to fight a Top 10 contender. De La Hoya fought the P4P #1 fighter like 4 times.

Damn good point mate

He has tons of detractors way beyond just this forum. I don't think the sh*t he gets is warranted, however. He has wins over, at least, 4 HOFers (possibly 1 more future HOFer in Sturm). He got screwed by steroid cheat Mosley and beat a roided Vargas. He backed down from no one and I think people overrate the Trinidad fight. Yes, it was a big fight, but it was one of many big fights. You could argue that Whitaker or Vargas were just as big. I think its ridiculous not to consider him an ATG. Pretty boy types just don't sit well with a lot of people, regardless of how great they are. Mayweather is proof.

Oscar used to be one of my favorite fighters. I loved his style. I thought he had almost perfect long punches. His jab and right straight were really superb to look. I was actually a little upset when I found out he was a converted lefty but that's a personal thing haha. He really put on some entertaining fights from what I remember although I haven't seen a De la Hoya fight in several years other than revisiting the Mayweather fight.

I loved how he dispatched the "villains" Vargas and the crude Mayorga later on in his career. Both Mosley fights were great to watch from what I remember. His style, to me, was pleasing on both a sweet science and action perspective. What made him entertaining was his competitive nature. He liked to win and generally would be coming forward or would be holding his ground. As I said I haven't watched one of his fights for years but I remember him out-boxing Hopkins for several rounds. I thought it was a very impressive performance and he was putting the pressure on until he was stopped.

Looking back on his record he has a good resume and deserves credit for facing some top tier opposition yet before we call him a boxing hero it has to be noted that he made a considerable about of money from those opponents, money which he wouldn't have made to that degree otherwise IMO and in most cases, didn't bring home the W. Regardless I think he wanted those fights given his competitive nature and he showed genuine heart in the heat of the battle.

I've turned on him now because I think his competitive nature has got the best of him. I've read his bio and he makes some snipes at Mayweather and he continues to do so. Without knowing him personally, I imagine the loss, by the slimmest of margins, affected him. The fact that Mayweather then became the biggest name in boxing, affected him. I feel he's trying to make Canelo the biggest boxing star in the world to rival and surpass the success of Mayweather. He's doing his best to artificially elevated him rather than Canelo himself earning it. Every time I watch a De la Hoya interview, I feel the words that are coming out of his mouth are twisted lies. His face has gotten fat and he looks like a fat cat suit talking out of his arse. I'm still disgusted at the choice of Kahn for an opponent. A blown up lightweight who had been knocked out at lightweight in rd 1. Canelo could have killed Kahn and that's what this is at the moment. Money, greed, mismatches, advantages for team Oscar and hanicaps for opponents.

In his day though, I loved watching him fight, it was always interesting to me and I do consider him a very classy fighter. He's earned his millions but he's not a boxing hero for fighting who he did, he's a smart prizefighter.