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Danny Garcia is a disgrace to the face of boxing, How can this clown call himself a champion. and when the hell are they going to strip this clown of his title.
Out of all the fighters out there him and his idiot dad Angel pick the #48 rated nobody who got destroyed by Spence in
Samuel Vargas

I am wondering how much he is getting paid for that mismatch.

All these were too dangerous for the clown

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter
4. Ray Robinson
5. Konstantin Ponomarev
6. Omar Figueroa
7. Carlos Molina
8. Frankie Gomez
9. Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
10. Ceferino Rodriguez
11. Ionut Dan Ion
12. David Peralta
13. Sammy Vasquez Jr
14. Paul Malignaggi
15. Dmitry Mikhaylenko

boxing_rocks wrote:All these were too dangerous for the clown

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter
4. Ray Robinson
5. Konstantin Ponomarev
6. Omar Figueroa
7. Carlos Molina
8. Frankie Gomez
9. Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
10. Ceferino Rodriguez
11. Ionut Dan Ion
12. David Peralta
13. Sammy Vasquez Jr
14. Paul Malignaggi
15. Dmitry Mikhaylenko

But you would say the same thing if he fought #1.

boxing_rocks wrote:All these were too dangerous for the clown

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter
4. Ray Robinson
5. Konstantin Ponomarev
6. Omar Figueroa
7. Carlos Molina
8. Frankie Gomez
9. Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
10. Ceferino Rodriguez
11. Ionut Dan Ion
12. David Peralta
13. Sammy Vasquez Jr
14. Paul Malignaggi
15. Dmitry Mikhaylenko

And #4 Robinson, who is also from Philly, begged for the fight. Money was no issue, Garcia was just flat scared to face him.

It's a "stay busy" fight in preparation for his fight with Thurman which is pretty much a done deal according to reports.

I hope that you also posted an Andre "The Coward" Ward post and a Serge "The Coward" Kovalev posts too because they both did the same thing?

Stay busy fights leading up to big fights are nothing new so you should calm the jets a bit. Danny Garcia has had some very tough fights (Peterson and Matthysse)sprinkled in with some easy ones

Kovalev didn't do the same thing at all. He fought a top 10 opponent.

boxing_rocks wrote:All these were too dangerous for the clown

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter
4. Ray Robinson
5. Konstantin Ponomarev
6. Omar Figueroa
7. Carlos Molina
8. Frankie Gomez
9. Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
10. Ceferino Rodriguez
11. Ionut Dan Ion
12. David Peralta
13. Sammy Vasquez Jr
14. Paul Malignaggi
15. Dmitry Mikhaylenko

Explain?

This matchmaking appears puzzling, because Samuel Vargas is so bad for a titlist of Garcia's level. But the best explanation I can manage is that apparently in September, Amir Khan couldn't fight Garcia as a mandatory defense due to a hand injury, and seemingly Garcia's camp went scrambling to find an opponent to make a voluntary defense against. Being that he had been out of the ring for 9 months at the time, and 10 months by the time of the time of the fight, they probably couldn't tolerate any further delays, as it would risk the title being stripped and pile on the ring rust and irrelevance. It's surprising that they couldn't have made a match with some of these other easy ranked opponents, like Jo Jo Dan, but they probably made a bunch of calls and got a lot of rejections due to the last minute nature. Sometimes boxers really balloon-up between fights and need more than a month's notice to actually cut back down to welterweight.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:All these were too dangerous for the clown

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter
4. Ray Robinson
5. Konstantin Ponomarev
6. Omar Figueroa
7. Carlos Molina
8. Frankie Gomez
9. Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
10. Ceferino Rodriguez
11. Ionut Dan Ion
12. David Peralta
13. Sammy Vasquez Jr
14. Paul Malignaggi
15. Dmitry Mikhaylenko

Explain?

If you don't know where that list of names came from, that's just the WBC top 15. It's not actually a fact that they were all too dangerous for Garcia.

Fighting one of those 15 would make it a title defense and even though in most cases it would still draw critique, it wouldn't be so outrageous like the current choice.

He is a clown and a coward I completely agree. He has a big crowd of American fighters that are just like him. Must be in the bloodstream. There are exceptions like Bud Crawford. But not too many others.,

Him and Vasquez is the match up. Pittsburgh and Philly hate each other. Have em meet in state college 1/2 way. Place would be packed. Vasquez would pound Garcia. Porter, Spence, Thurmans...they'd kill him. Who the hell is Charles Manyuchi? Sounds like the owner of Ichiban Steak House. Also Ray Robinson? I think I remeber seeing him fight a while back. If that's the same kid I seen...he's too inactive to call out Garcia

Lackeos wrote:This matchmaking appears puzzling, because Samuel Vargas is so bad for a titlist of Garcia's level. But the best explanation I can manage is that apparently in September, Amir Khan couldn't fight Garcia as a mandatory defense due to a hand injury, and seemingly Garcia's camp went scrambling to find an opponent to make a voluntary defense against. Being that he had been out of the ring for 9 months at the time, and 10 months by the time of the time of the fight, they probably couldn't tolerate any further delays, as it would risk the title being stripped and pile on the ring rust and irrelevance. It's surprising that they couldn't have made a match with some of these other easy ranked opponents, like Jo Jo Dan, but they probably made a bunch of calls and got a lot of rejections due to the last minute nature. Sometimes boxers really balloon-up between fights and need more than a month's notice to actually cut back down to welterweight.

Thats his own fault he was out of the ring for 9 months. Hes a 28 year old belt holder in his prime with no losses or injuries.

Also, I call bull on him actually plannin on fighting Khan this year.

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter

How in the flying f*** is berto above porter?

Lackeos wrote:This matchmaking appears puzzling, because Samuel Vargas is so bad for a titlist of Garcia's level. But the best explanation I can manage is that apparently in September, Amir Khan couldn't fight Garcia as a mandatory defense due to a hand injury, and seemingly Garcia's camp went scrambling to find an opponent to make a voluntary defense against. Being that he had been out of the ring for 9 months at the time, and 10 months by the time of the time of the fight, they probably couldn't tolerate any further delays, as it would risk the title being stripped and pile on the ring rust and irrelevance. It's surprising that they couldn't have made a match with some of these other easy ranked opponents, like Jo Jo Dan, but they probably made a bunch of calls and got a lot of rejections due to the last minute nature. Sometimes boxers really balloon-up between fights and need more than a month's notice to actually cut back down to welterweight.

This is not true, #4 Ray Robinson begged for the fight. They could have had him any time.

jewboypgh wrote:Him and Vasquez is the match up. Pittsburgh and Philly hate each other. Have em meet in state college 1/2 way. Place would be packed. Vasquez would pound Garcia. Porter, Spence, Thurmans...they'd kill him. Who the hell is Charles Manyuchi? Sounds like the owner of Ichiban Steak House. Also Ray Robinson? I think I remeber seeing him fight a while back. If that's the same kid I seen...he's too inactive to call out Garcia

Robinson is inactive because he spent nine months in the "WBC Tournament" while one Haymon fighter after another refused to fight him.
Lamont Peterson refused a mandatory and still kept his ranking even.

boxing_rocks wrote:All these were too dangerous for the clown

1. Andre Berto
2. Charles Manyuchi
3. Shawn Porter
4. Ray Robinson
5. Konstantin Ponomarev
6. Omar Figueroa
7. Carlos Molina
8. Frankie Gomez
9. Cesar Miguel Barrionuevo
10. Ceferino Rodriguez
11. Ionut Dan Ion
12. David Peralta
13. Sammy Vasquez Jr
14. Paul Malignaggi
15. Dmitry Mikhaylenko

If Garcia’s claims are true, about fighting Keith Thurman in March, then I have no problems with him engaging in a tune-up, against a fighter like Samuel Vargas that is ranked 6th by the WBA.

In regards to the fifteen fighters you claimed were “too dangerous” for Danny Garcia:
• The vast majority are simply not “too dangerous”. That’s just a ridiculously blatant lie! In fact, what you’ve claimed cannot possibly be considered as a rational thought!
• Most of these guys aren’t viable options, because they’re tied to the PBC (so they’re on an enforced hiatus)
• Cross-promotion/cross-network issues would render some of these bouts politically and commercially unviable
• Some of these guys already have fights lined up
• Some of these guys tasted defeat during their most recent bouts
• If Danny Garcia had decided to face at least eight of those guys in this list, you’d criticise him for “bum-hunting”

The sheer volume of hypocrisy and double-standards we witness in this forum really makes me laugh!

Read the post above about Ray Robinson, and you must be f*cking kidding claiming that none of the other 14 were available. Danny has to be stripped by WBC for not making even a voluntary defense in 12 months.

Garcia's protecting his '0'!

That's the name of the game these days.

boxing_rocks wrote:Read the post above about Ray Robinson, and you must be f*cking kidding claiming that none of the other 14 were available. Danny has to be stripped by WBC for not making even a voluntary defense in 12 months.

Please quote my words where I claim that "none of those 15 fighters were available".

Quote me please. I'd love to see you quote words that were never written.

Quoting you is a big NO-NO. I could be reprimanded by forum members for doing so.

boxing_rocks wrote:Quoting you is a big NO-NO. I could be reprimanded by forum members for doing so.

You should change your forum moniker to "Mr Strawman", due to the fact that you rarely ever directly address my actual words, instead you prefer to challenge a heavily-distorted version of my stance, as it's far easier for you to attack.

That's the only reason why you refrain from quoting my posts.

Why can't show some integrity, by discussing matters in their true context and without being negative?

Stick to the truth. This is a bullshit fight, it's completely illogical to think he couldn't have fought someone better, and all it takes is a half ass promise of a bigger fight later and people will excuse it. Because double standards are everywhere.

SFW wrote:Stick to the truth. This is a bullshit fight, it's completely illogical to think he couldn't have fought someone better, and all it takes is a half ass promise of a bigger fight later and people will excuse it. Because double standards are everywhere.

Enlightened/fergusg, please see the above response to your integrity related post. Just stick to the f*cking truth. There is no need to quote your boring posts. You were citing reasons why those 15 options were bad, but any of them are way better then Garcia's choice, and there are dozens of better choices outside of WBC rankings.

SFW wrote:Stick to the truth. This is a bullshit fight, it's completely illogical to think he couldn't have fought someone better, and all it takes is a half ass promise of a bigger fight later and people will excuse it. Because double standards are everywhere.

Danny Garcia openly admits that his bout against Vargas is merely a tune-up. No one is pretending that this contest is a sure-fire FOTY slugfest barnburner.

Other high-profile fighters, whose resumés aren’t as good as Danny’s, often engage in tune-up contests, but they don’t receive anywhere near the extreme criticism that Garcia has to endure, hence the double standard.

As long as Garcia faces Thurman in March, then I have no objection to him trying to rid himself of ten months' worth of ring rust, by facing a second-tier type of opponent.

boxing_rocks wrote:Enlightened/fergusg, please see the above response to your integrity related post. Just stick to the f*cking truth. There is no need to quote your boring posts.

My posts are always on topic. If my words cause you great offence or tedium, then please ignore my posts.

boxing_rocks wrote:You were citing reasons why those 15 options were bad…

You’re doing it again… attacking a stance that I’ve never held, simply because you can’t undermine my actual words. Simply put, I never said "those 15 options were bad".

I clearly explained that bouts against a good portion of the names you listed could not be made at this point in time for a whole host of reasons. I also suggested that at least half of those fighters were not significantly better than Samuel Vargas (in the context of Garcia requiring a suitable tune-up type opponent).

The main point of my previous responses to you was to ridicule your suggestion that Danny Garcia considered all fifteen names that you listed as far “too dangerous”.

In the future, please try to address my actual words and don’t conveniently ignore your own comments, due to your inability to defend your stance.

boxing_rocks wrote:…but any of them are way better then Garcia's choice, and there are dozens of better choices outside of WBC rankings.

I never claimed that there weren’t any better alternative opponents for Garcia than Vargas, but I don’t object to this tune-up bout as long as Danny faces Keith Thurman in March.