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Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 08:07**

http://www.BS.com/marquez-shak ... us--109854

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 08:37**

I agree with Marquez.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 09:36**

Marquez has never been the shrewdest negotiator.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 10:31**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Marquez has never been the shrewdest negotiator.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 10:42**

Asterix wrote:I agree with Marquez.

Marquez has been hit into the head for years. What is your excuse ?

As all previous opponents, Jacobs is being offered significantly more than 25%. He is just not satisfied with an amount, not percentage. The 25% split is for the purse bid which will happen only because Jacobs is rejecting the current offer.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 12:44**

boxing_rocks wrote:
Asterix wrote:I agree with Marquez.
As all previous opponents, Jacobs is being offered significantly more than 25%. He is just not satisfied with an amount, not percentage. The 25% split is for the purse bid which will happen only because Jacobs is rejecting the current offer.

You keep repeating the same claim over-and-over again, but you never supply your sources, despite me asking for it.

I cannot find any evidence that supports your claims, yet you insist you're the voice of authority on this matter.

Can you please clarify whether you're simply expressing an opinion or if you're stating fact?

All we know for certain is that Jacobs wanted 40%, but K2 and the WBA are only offering 25%.

The average purse split the following opponents received when they fought Golovkin was 43%: Lemieux, Brook, Geale, Rubio, Stevens and Macklin.

So why do people insist that Jacobs is only worth 25%?

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 12:53**

You, Marquez or anybody else outside the negotiating teams don't know that Jacobs is being offered less than 40% now, so we have the same grounds whether we are saying that he is offered 25, 30, 35 or 40%. I have even better grounds, as I rely on data from previous Golovkin fights by the way posted by you. There is no reason to believe that Jacobs is treated differently.

The only thing we know is that Jacobs will be given 25% OF A PURSE BID AMOUNT.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 12:59**

boxing_rocks wrote:You, Marquez or anybody else outside the negotiating teams don't know that Jacobs is being offered less than 40% now, so we have the same grounds whether we are saying that he is offered 25, 30, 35 or 40%. I have even better grounds, as I rely on data from previous Golovkin fights by the way posted by you. There is no reason to believe that Jacobs is treated differently.

The only thing we know is that Jacobs will be given 25% OF A PURSE BID AMOUNT.

So you're only expressing an opinion.

You can't make assumptions about purses when HBO and Haymon are driving force behind contract negotiations... hence my insistence that we stick to the facts.

I read a source stating that Loeffler's attempts to negotiate were minimal and that he pursued the purse bid pretty much straight away. And I honestly don't know who to believe. So I'm sticking to what is commonly accepted fact.

Golovkin vacates his title if Haymon wins the purse bid, but for that to happen, it seems that Jacobs must accept 25%, which he won't do... and is the only publicly known figure being offered.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 13:03**

There is no commonly accepted fact about what is being offered now. There is only a fact about the purse bid percentage.

Thinking that Jacobs is being treated differently from previous opponents has no grounds and is illogical.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 13:07**

boxing_rocks wrote:There is no commonly accepted fact about what is being offered now. There is only a fact about the purse bid percentage.

Thinking that Jacobs is being treated differently from previous opponents has no grounds and is illogical.

In terms of the 75%-25% purse split figures, the grounds are blatantly obvious and it is extremely logical to comment on those numbers. And it makes more sense to discuss the publicly accepted perception of real world events rather than your personally-imagined and preferred interpretation of the situation.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 13:13**

I don't see how anyone can dispute this. WBA rules super champion 75% and regular 25%.. Why should this be changed just because some asked?

It was the same situation for Klit-Povetkin.. But Povetkin got paid millions due to the purse bid being so high..

Marquez can't even negotiate his own fight whether it be 147 or 148

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 13:15**

Ruthless-RKO wrote:I don't see how anyone can dispute this. WBA rules super champion 75% and regular 25%.. Why should this be changed just because some asked?

It was the same situation for Klit-Povetkin.. But Povetkin got paid millions due to the purse bid being so high..

Marquez can't even negotiate his own fight whether it be 147 or 148

If there's no movement on the 75%-25% purse split figure being offered to Jacobs then I suspect he'll decline the fight.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 16:22**

Do we know what Jacobs has been offered in negotiations?

The 25 percent is just what the WBA has set IF it goes to a bid; shake your head at the WBA first, Juany.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 16:32**

crusader wrote:Do we know what Jacobs has been offered in negotiations?

The 25 percent is just what the WBA has set IF it goes to a bid; shake your head at the WBA first, Juany.

That is exactly what I am saying, but fergus plays dummy.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 17:05**

crusader wrote:Do we know what Jacobs has been offered in negotiations?

We don’t know the precise numbers that are being offered to Danny Jacobs by Tom Loeffler. However, we do know the following:
• Tom Loeffler recommended that the WBA process the purse bid twelve days prior to the specified contract negotiation deadline. Leon Margules (Jacobs’ lawyer) and the WBA confirmed this. This suggests that the effort expended by K2 to orchestrate this bout was minimal, due to the premature purse bid request.
• We also know that Danny Jacobs requested a 40% purse split.
• And we also know that boxing scribes, such as Dan Rafael, have reported their belief about K2 being unwilling to offer a percentage greater than 25%.
• We also know that Showtime “are definitely interested and will aggressively pursue” the televising of the Golovkin-Jacobs bout (as they’re allies with Haymon). So if Haymon’s promoter wins the purse bid, then GGG is likely to vacate his belt, due to the nature of his exclusive contract with HBO.
• We also know that K2, by proceeding straight to purse bids, coupled with the WBA’s own rules, have imposed a 25% purse split on Jacobs (should he accept those terms). Alternatively, Lou DiBella and Tom Loeffler may agree some sort of last-minute compromise, which seems highly-unlikely.
• Finally, we also know that the average purse split the following opponents received when they fought Golovkin was 43%: Lemieux, Brook, Geale, Rubio, Stevens and Macklin.

Those are the facts that cannot be refuted. So we don’t know the precise sums being offered to Jacobs, but we do know that K2 are offering him a smaller purse split than the average figure received six of GGG’s highest rated opponents.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 17:09**

fergusg wrote:we do know that K2 are offering him a smaller purse split than the average figure received six of GGG’s highest rated opponents.

No, we don't know that. Jacobs requested 40% of the purse bid. Rafael and others were talking about the purse bid.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 17:12**

Anyway, the fight is not happening this year. Danny got publicity, and Golovkin got PBC'ed.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 17:17**

Which other GGG fights went to purse-bid with GGG as champion? What were the splits for those and did GGG's side agree to a more balanced split in a way they haven't for Jacobs?

The fights that have been given as evidence that 25 percent would be an unfair split to Jacobs involved bouts that were decided without a bid, which gets back to the question of whether anyone here actually knows what Jacobs has been offered.GGG's side could be willing to pay Jacobs more than the latter would get with 25 percent, but perhaps Danny is after a prohibitive amount like $3m.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 17:32**

According to this GGG is off Dec 10, with the hope that he can fight Jacobs early in 2017.

http://www.ringtv.com/468855-golovkin-w ... 38.twitter

Gennady Golovkin has no intention of fighting on Dec. 10 with his bout against mandatory challenger Danny Jacobs pushed back to the first quarter of 2017, Golovkin promoter Tom Loeffler told RingTV.com on Tuesday.

Rather than face a lesser opponent in December on HBO, Golovkin will wait to fight Jacobs in 2017 in order to satisfy the WBA’s order to meet his mandatory, Loeffler said. As a result, it will be the first time since 2012 that Golovkin, who holds the WBA, WBC and IBF middleweight titles, won’t fight at least three times in a year.

“He’s going to go straight into the Jacobs fight,” Loeffler told RingTV.com. “It’s not realistic (to fight before) because the WBA has mandated that he has to fight Jacobs. He’s the most active champion in boxing but when you have these types of obligations and when you’re mandated to fight someone a lot of times those negotiations take longer.”

No date or location has been decided but the talks have dragged on to the point where the fight had to be pushed back to 2017, he said. “The negotiations are taking longer than expected,” Loeffler remarked. “A fight of this magnitude needs a long buildup in order to promote it properly, so we decided it’s too short to do it on Dec. 10, so we’re targeting 2017 for that fight.”

The two sides apparently have until Friday to agree to terms or a purse bid will be ordered, even if no formal announcement has been made by the WBA. Loeffler has spoken of trying to reach a deal with Al Haymon, who handles Jacobs, before the purse bid starts. The WBA recently rejected Jacobs’ bid to increase the percentage purse split from 75-25 in favor of Golovkin to 60-40.

“We’re trying to make a deal rather than let it go to a purse bid,” Loeffler said. “So I’m trying to work out a deal that both fighters are happy with. It’s just more effective rather than go to a purse bid if possible.”

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 17:42**

My gut instinct tells me that it’s in K2’s best interests to postpone the bout until next year, due to HBO’s currently limited budget, which represents a risk in them losing the WBA purse bid to Showtime/Haymon/DiBella.

So K2 may try attempt serious contract negotiations for a 2017 bout when HBO’s boxing budget has been replenished.

The problem is… will the WBA play along with Loeffler’s stance or will they announce purse bids on Friday?

Considering Loeffler requested the purse bid process prematurely, twelve days before the stipulated contract negotiation deadline (as they wanted wanted to impose the WBA's 25% purse split ruling on Jacobs), I find it intriguing that the K2 chief is now saying the following:

“A fight of this magnitude needs a long buildup in order to promote it properly, so we decided it’s too short to do it on Dec. 10, so we’re targeting 2017 for that fight.”

Methinks that politics is involved in this decision.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 19:37**

Since when does the challenger start throwing around threat's he won't take the fight unless he's given more money f.c Jacobs i'm over this guy.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 20:11**

crusader wrote:According to this GGG is off Dec 10, with the hope that he can fight Jacobs early in 2017.

http://www.ringtv.com/468855-golovkin-w ... 38.twitter

Gennady Golovkin has no intention of fighting on Dec. 10 with his bout against mandatory challenger Danny Jacobs pushed back to the first quarter of 2017, Golovkin promoter Tom Loeffler told RingTV.com on Tuesday.

Rather than face a lesser opponent in December on HBO, Golovkin will wait to fight Jacobs in 2017 in order to satisfy the WBA’s order to meet his mandatory, Loeffler said. As a result, it will be the first time since 2012 that Golovkin, who holds the WBA, WBC and IBF middleweight titles, won’t fight at least three times in a year.

“He’s going to go straight into the Jacobs fight,” Loeffler told RingTV.com. “It’s not realistic (to fight before) because the WBA has mandated that he has to fight Jacobs. He’s the most active champion in boxing but when you have these types of obligations and when you’re mandated to fight someone a lot of times those negotiations take longer.”

No date or location has been decided but the talks have dragged on to the point where the fight had to be pushed back to 2017, he said. “The negotiations are taking longer than expected,” Loeffler remarked. “A fight of this magnitude needs a long buildup in order to promote it properly, so we decided it’s too short to do it on Dec. 10, so we’re targeting 2017 for that fight.”

The two sides apparently have until Friday to agree to terms or a purse bid will be ordered, even if no formal announcement has been made by the WBA. Loeffler has spoken of trying to reach a deal with Al Haymon, who handles Jacobs, before the purse bid starts. The WBA recently rejected Jacobs’ bid to increase the percentage purse split from 75-25 in favor of Golovkin to 60-40.

“We’re trying to make a deal rather than let it go to a purse bid,” Loeffler said. “So I’m trying to work out a deal that both fighters are happy with. It’s just more effective rather than go to a purse bid if possible.”[/quote]

Loeffler sounds quite nervous there. Like he suspects that Haymon will bid and he won't be able to beat the bid hence why he's very keen on coming to an agreement rather than letting it go to a purse bid situation. Otherwise, why would he be concerned about it going out to bids in a 75-25 position?

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 20:21**

Making a deal eliminates any risk of losing the bid and facing a network barrier. Maybe he thinks K2 would probably win anyway, but would prefer not to take the chance.

Again, anyone know the offers being made? If not, can you say that Jacobs is really only getting offered what would be 25 percent of the total purses? The WBA set split doesn't mean that K2 wont pay Jacobs more if a deal can be made.

Posted: **18 Oct 2016, 22:54**

Enlightened-One wrote:My gut instinct tells me that it’s in K2’s best interests to postpone the bout until next year, due to HBO’s currently limited budget, which represents a risk in them losing the WBA purse bid to Showtime/Haymon/DiBella.

So K2 may try attempt serious contract negotiations for a 2017 bout when HBO’s boxing budget has been replenished.

The problem is… will the WBA play along with Loeffler’s stance or will they announce purse bids on Friday?

Considering Loeffler requested the purse bid process prematurely, twelve days before the stipulated contract negotiation deadline (as they wanted wanted to impose the WBA's 25% purse split ruling on Jacobs), I find it intriguing that the K2 chief is now saying the following:

“A fight of this magnitude needs a long buildup in order to promote it properly, so we decided it’s too short to do it on Dec. 10, so we’re targeting 2017 for that fight.”

Methinks that politics is involved in this decision.

You have problem drawing conclusions from facts. K2 asked for purse bid early exactly because they wanted to make it for the HBO date they already had, 10 December. It is Haymon that wanted to drag the process so that GGG misses 10 Dec date and is not able to generate large sum of money for the bid. Noone knows when and if GGG gets a next date or a contract from HBO. It should be obvious that if K2 wanted to prolong the negotiations they would not ask for an early bid. Now that WBA drag the bid situation infinitely as usual it is far too late to have it on Dec 10. 7 weeks is not enough to make a fight of this magnitude, is not this obvious?

Also if it is such a "fact" that GGG vacates if Haymon wins then why dont they just win it, 25% or not and get a vacant belt? There is no way GGG vacates titles, he is not Peter Quillin.

Posted: **19 Oct 2016, 02:07**

Tarkus wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:My gut instinct tells me that it’s in K2’s best interests to postpone the bout until next year, due to HBO’s currently limited budget, which represents a risk in them losing the WBA purse bid to Showtime/Haymon/DiBella.

So K2 may try attempt serious contract negotiations for a 2017 bout when HBO’s boxing budget has been replenished.

The problem is… will the WBA play along with Loeffler’s stance or will they announce purse bids on Friday?

Considering Loeffler requested the purse bid process prematurely, twelve days before the stipulated contract negotiation deadline (as they wanted wanted to impose the WBA's 25% purse split ruling on Jacobs), I find it intriguing that the K2 chief is now saying the following:

“A fight of this magnitude needs a long buildup in order to promote it properly, so we decided it’s too short to do it on Dec. 10, so we’re targeting 2017 for that fight.”

Methinks that politics is involved in this decision.
You have problem drawing conclusions from facts. K2 asked for purse bid early exactly because they wanted to make it for the HBO date they already had, 10 December. It is Haymon that wanted to drag the process so that GGG misses 10 Dec date and is not able to generate large sum of money for the bid. Noone knows when and if GGG gets a next date or a contract from HBO. It should be obvious that if K2 wanted to prolong the negotiations they would not ask for an early bid. Now that WBA drag the bid situation infinitely as usual it is far too late to have it on Dec 10. 7 weeks is not enough to make a fight of this magnitude, is not this obvious?

Also if it is such a "fact" that GGG vacates if Haymon wins then why dont they just win it, 25% or not and get a vacant belt? There is no way GGG vacates titles, he is not Peter Quillin.

The difference between me and other posters, is that I make it abundantly clear when I'm expressing a gut instinct, whereas others claim they're citing fact unless challenged. So I won't apologise for my take on things.

Second, Loeffler knew the contract negotiations and purse bid deadlines more than 30 days ago and the WBA only extended it by five days. He could have petitioned the WBA to alter this schedule to take into consideration HBO's 10th December date or ask them to allow an interim voluntary defence. Didn't Jacobs ask for something similar?

Third, everyone involved in the sport of boxing knew the WBA's timescale and purse split rules. So Loeffler must have anticipated Jacobs asking for more than 25%, because everybody that commented on the matter did.

Fourth, Loeffler could have asked the WBA to allow Jacobs to receive his requested 40% split to allow the purse bid to take place early, since GGG's main high profile opponents all received an average of 43%.

Fifth, Showtime had already announced that they would aggressively pursue the rights to televise the Golovkin-Jacobs bout, meaning that there was plenty of money for the purse bid from Haymon's side of the negotiating table.

Sixth, Haymon hasn't been given the opportunity yet to win the purse bid, so your question is redundant.

All the boxing scribes are saying that GGG has an exclusive contract with HBO, as per Kovalev and Pacquiao... and look what happened with those fighters. Sergey had to abandon his mandatory challenger status for Stevenson's WBC belt and Pacquiao was released from his HBO contract for refusing to televise his next bout. Read about those situations and surely you should be able to recognise the parallels.

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