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Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 18:40
by bnovelist
Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 18:44
by bnovelist
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 19:03
by BoxBuzz
I liked them both. But the best thing that every happened to Lennox's career was not having to face Bowe in their mutual Primes.
And anyone who is not too lazy to dig into some facts, would see that Lennox and I agree on that. Lennox was very happy for that fight NOT to happen.
Lucky for him it didn't. And you are a much happier person as a result. That very likely loss on Lewis's record would've put you in rather bad mood it seems.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 19:10
by Tomasino
Who is the little pecker with Lennox? Seems like he wants to take Bowes side...
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 19:22
by BoxBuzz
Marv Alpert's brother maybe?
The beatings Evander took from Bowe, were a bit more dramatic than the ones Lennox imposed. (If you can even make such a case at all as they appeared far more evenly matched) Nothing there that indicates that Lennox would have the upper hand over Bowe.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 10:39
by Bricks
bnovelist wrote:Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
This is the thing Lennox supporters choose to ignore. Bowe didn't duck lewis. It just didn't make sense for him to take that fight than in his eyes.
Bowe was ready to fight lewis but than lewis lost to McCall and was in the wilderness for 3 years.
Fools claim Lewis beat bowe in the Olympics and this caused him to fear lewis. Well gonzalez beat up both lewis and bowe in the amateurs, was undefeated and with an intimidating aura.....bowe didn't care. and I believe bowe would have done same thing to Lewis
Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 10:42
by Covfefe
BoxBuzz wrote:I liked them both. But the best thing that every happened to Lennox's career was not having to face Bowe in their mutual Primes.
And anyone who is not too lazy to dig into some facts, would see that Lennox and I agree on that. Lennox was very happy for that fight NOT to happen.
Lucky for him it didn't. And you are a much happier person as a result. That very likely loss on Lewis's record would've put you in rather bad mood it seems.
Yeah, thankfully Bowe gave up his title rather than get that easy W. What a gent he was.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 10:43
by keithmoonhangover
Bricks wrote:Bowe didn't duck lewis.

Of course he did. Lewis wanted the fight. Bowe ducked him. Of course he did.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 13:52
by Syntax Error
I think the reason for that was because he'd missed out on the Lewis fight & didn't want to miss another potential big fight against an amateur conqueror.
He definitely ducked Lewis, even though it wasn't the classic "I'm scared of that guy" duck, it was still a duck nonetheless.
I bet he hugely regrets that to this day, especially as Lewis is still fabulously wealthy & is routinely ranked higher than Bowe.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 16:21
by BoxBuzz
Syntax Error wrote:I think the reason for that was because he'd missed out on the Lewis fight & didn't want to miss another potential big fight against an amateur conqueror.
He definitely ducked Lewis, even though it wasn't the classic "I'm scared of that guy" duck, it was still a duck nonetheless.
I bet he hugely regrets that to this day, especially as Lewis is still fabulously wealthy & is routinely ranked higher than Bowe.
Nah Bowe would have figured a way to squander another million or two easy.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 16:21
by BoxBuzz
TheDarkDestroyer wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:I liked them both. But the best thing that every happened to Lennox's career was not having to face Bowe in their mutual Primes.
And anyone who is not too lazy to dig into some facts, would see that Lennox and I agree on that. Lennox was very happy for that fight NOT to happen.
Lucky for him it didn't. And you are a much happier person as a result. That very likely loss on Lewis's record would've put you in rather bad mood it seems.
Yeah, thankfully Bowe gave up his title rather than get that easy W. What a gent he was.
Not easy, but not needed, based on the McCall loss, not the "go to" fight that it would/should have been had Lennox simply been competent that night.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 19 Oct 2016, 16:43
by Covfefe
BoxBuzz wrote:TheDarkDestroyer wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:I liked them both. But the best thing that every happened to Lennox's career was not having to face Bowe in their mutual Primes.
And anyone who is not too lazy to dig into some facts, would see that Lennox and I agree on that. Lennox was very happy for that fight NOT to happen.
Lucky for him it didn't. And you are a much happier person as a result. That very likely loss on Lewis's record would've put you in rather bad mood it seems.
Yeah, thankfully Bowe gave up his title rather than get that easy W. What a gent he was.
Not easy, but not needed, based on the McCall loss, not the "go to" fight that it would/should have been had Lennox simply been competent that night.
Rubbish. They were supposed to fight right after Bowe-Holyfield and Lewis-Ruddock he didn't fight McCall for two years after Ruddock, and Bowe was stripped of the WBC before Lewis fought Tucker for the title.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 20 Oct 2016, 11:47
by gregor
Bricks wrote:Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
Styles make fights. You may also mention Holy lost the rubbermatch to hepatisis after he almost had Bowe ready to go.
Bowe would be always a risky fight for Lewis with his chin, but on the other hand Bowe had poor defence for a top fighter. He was happy to trade punches as his chin and power almost guaranteed it will be good strategy (like it was against Holy I), but I doubt this would be Lewis strategy. If anything, Lewis would fight more like better version of Golota - just bigger, with meaner jab and mentally stable.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 23 Oct 2016, 21:16
by Kalan
Bricks wrote:bnovelist wrote:Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
This is the thing Lennox supporters choose to ignore. Bowe didn't duck lewis. It just didn't make sense for him to take that fight than in his eyes.
Bowe was ready to fight lewis but than lewis lost to McCall and was in the wilderness for 3 years.
Fools claim Lewis beat bowe in the Olympics and this caused him to fear lewis. Well gonzalez beat up both lewis and bowe in the amateurs, was undefeated and with an intimidating aura.....bowe didn't care. and I believe bowe would have done same thing to Lewis
Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
The thing Bowe supporters choose to ignore: Bowe threw his Title Belt in a garbage can rather than face his mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis... In this video Lewis told Bowe 3 times to his face, "I will knock you out" and Bowe kept coming back saying "Then knock me out" as if Lewis was going to knock him out then and there. The bottom line is: Lewis-Bowe was the richest fight in Boxing history up to that time -- and Bowe didn't want any part of it.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 23 Oct 2016, 21:30
by Covfefe
Kalan wrote:Bricks wrote:bnovelist wrote:Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
This is the thing Lennox supporters choose to ignore. Bowe didn't duck lewis. It just didn't make sense for him to take that fight than in his eyes.
Bowe was ready to fight lewis but than lewis lost to McCall and was in the wilderness for 3 years.
Fools claim Lewis beat bowe in the Olympics and this caused him to fear lewis. Well gonzalez beat up both lewis and bowe in the amateurs, was undefeated and with an intimidating aura.....bowe didn't care. and I believe bowe would have done same thing to Lewis
Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
The thing Bowe supporters choose to ignore: Bowe threw his Title Belt in a garbage can rather than face his mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis... In this video Lewis told Bowe 3 times to his face, "I will knock you out" and Bowe kept coming back saying "Then knock me out" as if Lewis was going to knock him out then and there. The bottom line is: Lewis-Bowe was the richest fight in Boxing history up to that time -- and Bowe didn't want any part of it.
Lewis was mandatory two years before he lost to McCall, and Bowe vacated the title and fought Michael Dokes instead. There is no argument as to why that's a good career move, why dump the title and face Dokes? Lewis was the number one challenger at the time, Bowe doesn't even have the excuse of having to rematch Holyfeld. It was a blatant duck, and being lined up to fight him a couple of years later is an irrelevance, the fight was there, on a plate. Bowe wanted no part of it at the time. He was good enough to beat a green Lewis too.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 07:24
by keithmoonhangover
Kalan wrote:Lewis-Bowe was the richest fight in Boxing history up to that time.
That is wrong.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 07:25
by Covfefe
keithmoonhangover wrote:Kalan wrote:Lewis-Bowe was the richest fight in Boxing history up to that time.
That is wrong.
Strange comment to factually say something that didn't happen is wrong when you simply cannot prove it.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 08:07
by keithmoonhangover
TheDarkDestroyer wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Kalan wrote:Lewis-Bowe was the richest fight in Boxing history up to that time.
That is wrong.
Strange comment to factually say something that didn't happen is wrong when you simply cannot prove it.
Look at Kalan's comment. He said it
was the richest fight, I said that was wrong,
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 23:55
by Covfefe
keithmoonhangover wrote:TheDarkDestroyer wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
That is wrong.
Strange comment to factually say something that didn't happen is wrong when you simply cannot prove it.
Look at Kalan's comment. He said it
was the richest fight, I said that was wrong,
How do you know it wouldn't have been?
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 02:32
by Syntax Error
Bricks wrote:bnovelist wrote:Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
This is the thing Lennox supporters choose to ignore. Bowe didn't duck lewis. It just didn't make sense for him to take that fight than in his eyes.
Bowe was ready to fight lewis but than lewis lost to McCall and was in the wilderness for 3 years.
Fools claim Lewis beat bowe in the Olympics and this caused him to fear lewis. Well gonzalez beat up both lewis and bowe in the amateurs, was undefeated and with an intimidating aura.....bowe didn't care. and I believe bowe would have done same thing to Lewis
Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
Bowe did beat a peak Holyfield, but he had to go life & death to do it.
Nobody beat a 'living' Holyfield, even a past prime one easily: he was tough bar steward.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 10:32
by jbizzle20
Bricks wrote:bnovelist wrote:Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
This is the thing Lennox supporters choose to ignore. Bowe didn't duck lewis. It just didn't make sense for him to take that fight than in his eyes.
Bowe was ready to fight lewis but than lewis lost to McCall and was in the wilderness for 3 years.
Fools claim Lewis beat bowe in the Olympics and this caused him to fear lewis. Well gonzalez beat up both lewis and bowe in the amateurs, was undefeated and with an intimidating aura.....bowe didn't care. and I believe bowe would have done same thing to Lewis
Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
Bowe struggled mightly each time with Holyfield and struggled to put away a Holyfield dealing with Hep C reactions. Lewis owned Holyfield twice and brought his time as an elite fighter to an end.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 10:38
by jbizzle20
LOL, Lewis was badass when he just looked into the camera with that face and his arms crossed. The Jamaican accent made it even more epic.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 10:57
by Ambling Alp II
jbizzle20 wrote:Bricks wrote:bnovelist wrote:Lennox told him to his face he would knock him out & Bowe responded by vacating the belt

but when Jorge says I'm gonna knock you out Bum
then ALL OF THE SUDDEN Bowe is animated looking for a fight, anxious to climb in the ring. Bowe should never be allowed HOF for the way he
ducked Lennox Lewis.
This is the thing Lennox supporters choose to ignore. Bowe didn't duck lewis. It just didn't make sense for him to take that fight than in his eyes.
Bowe was ready to fight lewis but than lewis lost to McCall and was in the wilderness for 3 years.
Fools claim Lewis beat bowe in the Olympics and this caused him to fear lewis. Well gonzalez beat up both lewis and bowe in the amateurs, was undefeated and with an intimidating aura.....bowe didn't care. and I believe bowe would have done same thing to Lewis
Bowe beat a peak-peakish Holyfield quite cleanly while Lewis struggled mightily with a far older holyfield . I actually had holyfield winning the rematch.
Bowe struggled mightly each time with Holyfield and struggled to put away a Holyfield dealing with Hep C reactions. Lewis owned Holyfield twice and brought his time as an elite fighter to an end.
1. You are ignoring the stages of Holyfield's career, which others have mentioned.
Holyfield was in his prime when he fought Bowe.
Holyfield was way past it when he fought Lewis.
2. Lewis certainly did not "own" Holyfield twice. Many people thought Holyfield won the rematch.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 12:36
by Syntax Error
BoxBuzz wrote:I liked them both. But the best thing that every happened to Lennox's career was not having to face Bowe in their mutual Primes.
And anyone who is not too lazy to dig into some facts, would see that Lennox and I agree on that. Lennox was very happy for that fight NOT to happen.
Lucky for him it didn't. And you are a much happier person as a result. That very likely loss on Lewis's record would've put you in rather bad mood it seems.
They couldn't have met in their mutual primes.
Bowe was in his prime in 1992 & Lewis didn't reach his prime until about 1996 & by that time, Bowe was washed up & slurring his words.
I think it's more likely that Bowe would have won had they fought in 1993, when they should have, as Lewis was reckless & over reliant on his big Right.
Saying, Bowe was shockingly easy to hit & maybe, Lewis would only have need to land his honey punch to turn the tide his his favour.
Re: Why Didnt Bowe Challenge Lewis The Same Way He Did Jorge Gonzales?
Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 13:02
by keithmoonhangover
TheDarkDestroyer wrote:How do you know it wouldn't have been?
I didn't. He said it was, not might have been.