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The WBA have further delayed their ruling on whether to sanction Joshua vs Klitschko and the reason given is "legal matters".

It seems these 'legal matters' have as much to do with Lucas Browne as anyone.

In resolving the legal action Browne took against the WBA over his drug suspension, the WBA made some promises to Browne. Among them that next up he would fight Oquendo for the WBA regular title.

Oquendo and the WBA regular title have barely been mentioned since.

I get the distinct impression appeasing Lucas Browne is at the forefront of the WBA deciding whether or not to sanction Joshua vs Klitschko.

WBA president Gilberto Mendoza Jr. said on Thursday night the initial delay was due to :

"too many legal matters to consider related to the settlement agreement with Lucas Browne."

I dare say the subsequent and further delay is for the same reason.

How I see it - Browne has been promised a shot at the WBA title. He knows a fight in a huge Stadium in Germany would be worth a lot more than a scrap with Oquendo in some school sports hall. He kicks up a fuss because he doesn't want to just fight for the "regular" title, he wants to face Klitschko for the "proper" title.

Klitschko happy to agree, a nice straightforward win on home soil and a share of the title which sets up a much bigger fight, a much bigger venue and a bigger share of the purse than Joshua in December at the Manchester Arena.

Bit of a let down for those of us who are/were looking forward to Joshua/Klitschko but it could be worth it if we get that fight for multiple titles at Wembley next summer

Joshua was unranked by the WBA being an IBF champion. The vacant title must be fought between the two top contenders. The WBA ordered a series of matches, all of which seem to have imploded.

..I can relate to Wladimir's interests but I still fail to accept the legitimacy of his team rationale demanding WBA title fight at this point..If they wanted this title all along, why did they enter into negotiations with Joshua in the first place knowing that he's not been ranked by WBA?

If brownes been promised give him the fight, AJ VS Klit can wait till next summer, there is no rush.

the_doctor wrote:How I see it - Browne has been promised a shot at the WBA title. He knows a fight in a huge Stadium in Germany would be worth a lot more than a scrap with Oquendo in some school sports hall. He kicks up a fuss because he doesn't want to just fight for the "regular" title, he wants to face Klitschko for the "proper" title.

Klitschko happy to agree, a nice straightforward win on home soil and a share of the title which sets up a much bigger fight, a much bigger venue and a bigger share of the purse than Joshua in December at the Manchester Arena.

Bit of a let down for those of us who are/were looking forward to Joshua/Klitschko but it could be worth it if we get that fight for multiple titles at Wembley next summer

Exactly

greg wrote:..I can relate to Wladimir's interests but I still fail to accept the legitimacy of his team rationale demanding WBA title fight at this point..If they wanted this title all along, why did they enter into negotiations with Joshua in the first place knowing that he's not been ranked by WBA?

Hearn probably gave Wlad the impression during negotiations that he could get the WBA on side provided the proposed fight gained enough momentum. Pretty much railroad the WBA into jumping on-board. But it doesn't appear to have worked.

Even Hearn himself said if the WBA title wasn't on the line the fight wouldn't happen. He was saying that publicly long before Klitschko did.

Like a Boss wrote:

greg wrote:..I can relate to Wladimir's interests but I still fail to accept the legitimacy of his team rationale demanding WBA title fight at this point..If they wanted this title all along, why did they enter into negotiations with Joshua in the first place knowing that he's not been ranked by WBA?

Hearn probably gave Wlad the impression during negotiations that he could get the WBA on side provided the proposed fight gained enough momentum. Pretty much railroad the WBA into jumping on-board. But it doesn't appear to have worked.

Even Hearn himself said if the WBA title wasn't on the line the fight wouldn't happen. He was saying that publicly long before Klitschko did.

..of course, we are not privy to all possible wheelings and dealings between almighty promoters and alphabets...and still it defies common sense to put the title on the line when one of the boxers is not even ranked by WBA...if that, in fact, happens I'll be very interested to know their reasoning and justification...

greg wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

greg wrote:..I can relate to Wladimir's interests but I still fail to accept the legitimacy of his team rationale demanding WBA title fight at this point..If they wanted this title all along, why did they enter into negotiations with Joshua in the first place knowing that he's not been ranked by WBA?

Hearn probably gave Wlad the impression during negotiations that he could get the WBA on side provided the proposed fight gained enough momentum. Pretty much railroad the WBA into jumping on-board. But it doesn't appear to have worked.

Even Hearn himself said if the WBA title wasn't on the line the fight wouldn't happen. He was saying that publicly long before Klitschko did.

..of course, we are not privy to all possible wheelings and dealings between almighty promoters and alphabets...and still it defies common sense to put the title on the line when one of the boxers is not even ranked by WBA...if that, in fact, happens I'll be very interested to know their reasoning and justification...

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I don't give a crap about the reasons a fight doesn't happen. The orgs should be ignored if they don't sanction the most logical fight. If 2 fighters want to fight the fight always happens. If the connected fighter doesn't want to fight, especially if he has a lot of prestige, the fight seldom happens. This was proven when Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson fought twice following their back to back KO wins over Roy Jones. No one wanted to sanctioned their 1st fight.

Tarver and Johnson were both older than Roy, but beat him 3 times in a row. Meanwhile they fought each other twice. Tarver owned 5 World Title Belts when he fought Johnson, but only 1 org recognized his Johnson defense. "They wouldn't sanction the Glen Johnson fight. That didn't matter to me because he was the best opponent. I didn't have any political power but I could fight the best willing opponent. I was very lucky Roy ever fought me. I was 36. Some very good fighters never catch a break. I had all the belts when I beat Roy, but I didn't care about the belts because I was still getting the run around. If Roy Jones knocked me out they would have built statues glorifying his 50th win. That's why I asked Roy if he was going to have any excuses after I beat him. I intended to knock him out early and didn't want to hear any. In other sports the best get the opportunities. In this sport the connected get the opportunities."

Like a Boss wrote:The WBA have further delayed their ruling on whether to sanction Joshua vs Klitschko and the reason given is "legal matters".

It seems these 'legal matters' have as much to do with Lucas Browne as anyone.

In resolving the legal action Browne took against the WBA over his drug suspension, the WBA made some promises to Browne. Among them that next up he would fight Oquendo for the WBA regular title.

Oquendo and the WBA regular title have barely been mentioned since.

I get the distinct impression appeasing Lucas Browne is at the forefront of the WBA deciding whether or not to sanction Joshua vs Klitschko.

Ortiz is ranked #1 by the WBA, and managed by the same guy who has Joshua. Why risk both belts WBA and IBF vs Wlad, when Ortiz is guaranteed the mandatory for the WBA belt.

This is why we will not see Wlad vs Joshua in 2016.

greg wrote:..I can relate to Wladimir's interests but I still fail to accept the legitimacy of his team rationale demanding WBA title fight at this point. If they wanted this title all along, why did they enter into negotiations with Joshua in the first place knowing that he's not been ranked by WBA?

At the moment, the fight is being negotiated entirely on Joshua’s terms, home advantage, competing for his world title and he’s probably getting an inequitable split of the total fight purse. Also, there less than seven weeks to go until the 10th December fight date, meaning that there isn’t a lot of time to promote the bout.

For Klitschko, it’s worth more to him to capture a world title and then K2 and Matchroom can negotiate the fight on equal terms, to allow public interest to marinate, for a PPV summer showdown that will be staged in a massive stadium.

In regards to Klitschko’s willingness to discuss the terms of the Joshua bout with Hearn, he’s a businessman and he is entitled to listen to offers… and he stipulated his terms, which Eddie thought he could meet, but failed to do so.

pound per pound wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:The WBA have further delayed their ruling on whether to sanction Joshua vs Klitschko and the reason given is "legal matters".

It seems these 'legal matters' have as much to do with Lucas Browne as anyone.

In resolving the legal action Browne took against the WBA over his drug suspension, the WBA made some promises to Browne. Among them that next up he would fight Oquendo for the WBA regular title.

Oquendo and the WBA regular title have barely been mentioned since.

I get the distinct impression appeasing Lucas Browne is at the forefront of the WBA deciding whether or not to sanction Joshua vs Klitschko.

Ortiz is ranked #1 by the WBA, and managed by the same guy who has Joshua. Why risk both belts WBA and IBF vs Wlad, when Ortiz is guaranteed the mandatory for the WBA belt.

This is why we will not see Wlad vs Joshua in 2016.

Reports are Wlad is injured and all bets are off for him fighting again this year.

http://www.ringtv.com/469297-klitschko- ... c-10-date/?