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Williams looking to leave Warren?
Posted: 02 Aug 2004, 17:27
by adamiw
check out fightnews. There's a whole load about the Warren/Webb situation.
I do find it interesting that Danny is staying in the US until the weekend at least. I think he must be up to something other than being a studio guest for ESPN.
Re: Williams looking to leave Warren?
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 06:50
by bennie
adamiw wrote:check out fightnews. There's a whole load about the Warren/Webb situation.
I do find it interesting that Danny is staying in the US until the weekend at least. I think he must be up to something other than being a studio guest for ESPN.
Mmmm. Danny likes it in the states and wants to stay by the look of things. I think that's a very smart move.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 06:52
by REAL_DEAL
i would to, if it wasnt for the tyson fight Williams would be fighting for the WBU. he can get a easy pay day against Holyfield and try against Klitschko.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 06:56
by jamesmcdonnell
Danny SHOULD stay there, he can get on a roll and continue the good sparring he was getting, this is his prime time now. In the next year he can really make some waves, and the best way to do that is to stay stateside and focus on his improvement.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 07:02
by jamesmcdonnell
Shit, just read it all, good lord, what a fiasco. Nothing is ever simple in boxing is it?
Now I understand why all this business about the money from Webb not being forthcoming was spoken of so freely....christ there's nothing simple and clear cut in boxing is there.
I don't think being handled by Webb is a good idea, the man's a maggot, sounds dodgy as fornicate, and what in christ's name does he know about promoting? I had heard that King was involved in the options somehow, guess I was misinformed.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:39
by DavidPayne
Mmm. Interesting development.
I think Danny is probably receiving all types of whipsers in his ear. Tyson was being guided towards Lamon Brewster and an inevitable Holyfield III fight.
So, depends if they want to get the wheels back on the Tyson wagon or whether they want to manouvre Williams or simply use him as a stepping stone for other money-makers.
Whilst Holyfield offers little gain for Williams in terms of genuine progress as a legitimate heavy, lets be honest here victories over Tyson and Holyfield are going to do wonders for his global recognition and thus earning potential.
Moving him into a title shot may seem the obvious course, but the division isn't going to be taken over by great heavyweights anytime soon so there is no need to rush.
I'll bet Don King is oinvolved here. He signed Danny dont forget, along with Eastman, 30 months ago and Williams fought Shawn Robinson in the states but nothing else materialised. So King already saw something in Williams a while ago.
Williams can make serious money fighting Evander, I churlishly suggested Williams would KO him in five rounds in the aftermath of the bout. I still think Williams would stop him, no matter how good Holyfield's chin, but the fight suits Holyfield in the sense he's not giving away too much height or speed.
Of course, if the powers want to repackage Tyson ONE more time they may chase a rematch, which could earn Williams good money but thrust him no further in the heavyweight heirarchy. And if Tyson's operation is genuine, and no conducted and filmed by the guys from the Roswell film, then he could be out for six months.
Williams needs to act not sit back too long. Capturing and maximising the mental strength and motivation he's discovered needs to be done immediatley not allowing Williams to sink into some 'arrogance ccoma'.
I'd like to see him fighting in the prime-time November window.
I'd go for the Holyfield fight. Its plenty of dollars, a great name and a winnable fight.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:42
by nickd
Why wait til November? I think he should be looking at fighting again in 6-8 weeks and building on the win. Perhaps another US fight to raise his marketability before a title shot in november? Seems like the way to go for me. And he should def base himself in the states there is nothing for him in the UK or Europe.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:43
by adamiw
DavidPayne wrote:I'd go for the Holyfield fight. Its plenty of dollars, a great name and a winnable fight.
same here, this will secure Danny's status as a household name....probably both sides of the atlantic. Having said that, the public are well aware that Holyfield is an old man. He wont get a lot of credit, and he'd have to look impressive...but the pay day will be worth it. I'd advise him to take this fight if he fails to secure a world title shot first.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:45
by jamesmcdonnell
DavidPayne wrote:Mmm. Interesting development.
I think Danny is probably receiving all types of whipsers in his ear. Tyson was being guided towards Lamon Brewster and an inevitable Holyfield III fight.
So, depends if they want to get the wheels back on the Tyson wagon or whether they want to manouvre Williams or simply use him as a stepping stone for other money-makers.
Whilst Holyfield offers little gain for Williams in terms of genuine progress as a legitimate heavy, lets be honest here victories over Tyson and Holyfield are going to do wonders for his global recognition and thus earning potential.
They are claiming that Tyson will be back in 8 weeks. I don't believe the tear for a minute. I think Tyson had a minor injury and they just want to play it up.
Moving him into a title shot may seem the obvious course, but the division isn't going to be taken over by great heavyweights anytime soon so there is no need to rush.
I'll bet Don King is oinvolved here. He signed Danny dont forget, along with Eastman, 30 months ago and Williams fought Shawn Robinson in the states but nothing else materialised. So King already saw something in Williams a while ago.
Williams can make serious money fighting Evander, I churlishly suggested Williams would KO him in five rounds in the aftermath of the bout. I still think Williams would stop him, no matter how good Holyfield's chin, but the fight suits Holyfield in the sense he's not giving away too much height or speed.
Of course, if the powers want to repackage Tyson ONE more time they may chase a rematch, which could earn Williams good money but thrust him no further in the heavyweight heirarchy. And if Tyson's operation is genuine, and no conducted and filmed by the guys from the Roswell film, then he could be out for six months.
Williams needs to act not sit back too long. Capturing and maximising the mental strength and motivation he's discovered needs to be done immediatley not allowing Williams to sink into some 'arrogance ccoma'.
I'd like to see him fighting in the prime-time November window.
I'd go for the Holyfield fight. Its plenty of dollars, a great name and a winnable fight.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:47
by jamesmcdonnell
adamiw wrote:DavidPayne wrote:I'd go for the Holyfield fight. Its plenty of dollars, a great name and a winnable fight.
same here, this will secure Danny's status as a household name....probably both sides of the atlantic. Having said that, the public are well aware that Holyfield is an old man. He wont get a lot of credit, and he'd have to look impressive...but the pay day will be worth it. I'd advise him to take this fight if he fails to secure a world title shot first.
The public aren't aware of shit. They are aware that Holyfield is a big name, the same as Tyson. It's a lame ass fight, because Holyfield doesn't appear to have anything left at all. Tyson was still landing a lot of shots in the 1st few rounds, but Holyfield cannot even pull the trigger any more. Danny will beat the living shit out of him if he fights like he did against Tyson, though it will take a lot longer.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:51
by big lennox
I really hope the Holyfield fight does'nt come off.A prime Evander would have smashed Williams all over the place.Now he would get beaten easily.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:54
by DavidPayne
I know James.
But what does winning the WBO belt from Brewster or Meehan mean, apart from a shit payday and menaingless belt?
How much will he get paid for the tricky Bryd fight? Byrd cant even get paid his basic and he's the champion!
Does anyone really think risky his new found fame versus an awkward, dumb ass like Ruiz is worth it. Imagine what Williams has left rep wise if Ruiz jabs, grabs and spoils his way to victory. It aint going to pay well either.
Holyfield is a great holding fight, for good money and enough reputation to keep Williams interested.
Promoting Danny as the man who swept out the old guard would be compelling PR in a division devoid of personalities.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:58
by adamiw
damn, just reading all this about Williams. Where was he earliert this year? Losing a points decision to Michael SPROTT. And now he's in a great position...set to make millions. CRazY!
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 09:59
by jamesmcdonnell
I am sure if I was a promoter I would guide Danny to Holyfield. holyfield is desperate for a way back in, and he would see a victory over Danny as a way to claw back his tattered reputation. It's also a fight he will fancy hi chances in, and maybe he does have an outside chance, he was after all a cagey bugger in his prime, but I just cannot see it.
If Danny wins that one, how about a title shot against Brewster, and then maybe Toney if he wins. Toney could be a big noise again in 6 months if he does things right.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:01
by adamiw
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I am sure if I was a promoter I would guide Danny to Holyfield. holyfield is desperate for a way back in, and he would see a victory over Danny as a way to claw back his tattered reputation. It's also a fight he will fancy hi chances in, and maybe he does have an outside chance, he was after all a cagey bugger in his prime, but I just cannot see it.
If Danny wins that one, how about a title shot against Brewster, and then maybe Toney if he wins. Toney could be a big noise again in 6 months if he does things right.
Danny wants to stay well away from Toney. It's not worth the risk.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:02
by nickd
I cant see any way Holyfield can beat Williams (as long as Williams holds his nerve). If Toney could batter and stop him then Williams weighing 260+ can surely do the same. Granted Toney has better skills than Williams but doesnt hit anywhere near as hard.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:05
by DavidPayne
I disagree Adam.
Toney is the finest box-puncher out there and the canniest operator in the division, but lets not underestimate the size differential here.
Sure he whupped Holyfield, but I think Toney has to do more than that to ARRIVE as a legitimate heavyweight threat. We're talking the best part of forty pounds in weight here and a gulf in natural size and strength. Even classy though he is on the inside. Can Toney really shake off Williams.
I know he's quality on the counter but does he have enough pop to deter WIlliams?
I dont think Toney is the nightmare match-up you suggest.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:05
by adamiw
007 wrote:I cant see any way Holyfield can beat Williams (as long as Williams holds his nerve). If Toney could batter and stop him then Williams weighing 260+ can surely do the same. Granted Toney has better skills than Williams but doesnt hit anywhere near as hard.
exactly. Holyfield's rare success against Toney was by using his strength advantage, then after the first couple of rounds, like Tyson he tired, and Toney picked his shots and broke Holyfield down. very sad to see.
I cant see any advantage Holyfield will come into the ring with against Williams other than experience.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:05
by jamesmcdonnell
I would definetly make Williams favourite. The only thing is that Holyfield has a better defence. However his punch output was virtuall zero after the first round against Toney, and Danny hits harder, though not as accurately as Toney.;
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:10
by adamiw
DavidPayne wrote:I disagree Adam.
Toney is the finest box-puncher out there and the canniest operator in the division, but lets not underestimate the size differential here.
Sure he whupped Holyfield, but I think Toney has to do more than that to ARRIVE as a legitimate heavyweight threat. We're talking the best part of forty pounds in weight here and a gulf in natural size and strength. Even classy though he is on the inside. Can Toney really shake off Williams.
I know he's quality on the counter but does he have enough pop to deter WIlliams?
I dont think Toney is the nightmare match-up you suggest.
i'm not saying Williams cant win...but there isn't a lot to gain.
First off, it would be a fairly average pay day,. Despite Toney's skillls and charisma...he's not a big draw....it would be ppv over here, not so sure ion the States...maybe.
But there's no title. And if he wins we will get the whole 'he had a 40lbs weight advantage, he was bound to win etc..'
And it's a hard fight. Toney is very classy on the inside, and despite the weight advantage Williams would enjoy, Toney could prove too good. I think Toney does still carry some power, because he is so fast and accurate with his hands. He's also got a great defence and chin. It's perhaps a 60-40 fight in Danny's favour, but i dont think it's worth taking in comparison to other possible fights.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:18
by big lennox
The fight Williams should stay clear of is Vitali.Thats the one guy Danny can't beat.He is too big, too accurate and too tough for Danny.Any of the others he would have a good chance.I would like to see a Toney-Williams fight.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:18
by jamesmcdonnell
I would make Toney favourite, he seems to be very strong at 220 or so, despite the beer gut. His shot placement is lethal, and as you say, his chin and his defence are world class. Toney may well be a big name within 6-12 months, depends on what happens after he beats Booker, presuming of course that he does.
Posted: 03 Aug 2004, 10:28
by big lennox
Even though he beat my man, Evander, I love watching Toney box.Absolutely beautiful skills.I could see him stopping Williams on body shots.