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vargas already lost to a small weak puncher, now how in hell is he gonne win against a small but faster and stronger puncher. pac easy win over vargas.

what next. logcal step would be fight the best, in terms of achievemants, than it would be thurman. do top rank and haymon work together

maybe crawford. pac is past prime and top rank would build a new star, if crawford would beat pac. c would surely be the favourite. and if pac won against crawford, than pac would be as present in the current boxing scene as it gets, boosting new match ups with higher ppv buys expectations.

I believe that Vargas presents much more of a problem for Manny than you illustrate. Vargas found something late in the Bradley fight when he had Bradley out on his feet. He fought way too safely in that fight for 11 rounds. If he fought every round like he did that 12th round, Bradley would have been knocked out. Vargas fought that way from round 1 on against Ali and we saw what happened there. Vargas is a very live underdog in this one and if he's not start struck from the bright lights, he will give Manny all he can handle.

Manny wins, Floyd is next. It's the only logical fight for both guys IMO. Maybe Canelo but I think Floyd makes more sense for both.

I think it is pretty safe to say Arum will want in house fights for the rest of Pac's career. There is a slight possibility of Khan or Floyd, but both are not likely. If Pac dominates it will be Crawford. If he struggles it will be Lomo, imo.

Next logical step is Crawford at a catchweight. Bob prefers to keep his fights in house and Crawford needs this passing the torch type fight.

No shame if Crawford loses, he can go back down to 140 and unify there or move up to 147 and fight Bradley. Meanwhile Pac gets another great accomplishment on his resume (maybe stirring up enough interest for Mayweather II)

I think Amir Khan could be Pacquiao's next opponent if the Filipino can overcome Vargas, based on various recent media reports.

The next step is retirement.

Pac should win but Vargas is not the dead dog most think.

caldo2025 wrote:I believe that Vargas presents much more of a problem for Manny than you illustrate. Vargas found something late in the Bradley fight when he had Bradley out on his feet. He fought way too safely in that fight for 11 rounds. If he fought every round like he did that 12th round, Bradley would have been knocked out. Vargas fought that way from round 1 on against Ali and we saw what happened there. Vargas is a very live underdog in this one and if he's not start struck from the bright lights, he will give Manny all he can handle.

Manny wins, Floyd is next. It's the only logical fight for both guys IMO. Maybe Canelo but I think Floyd makes more sense for both.

you think the public would be dumb enough to buy into mayweather-pacquiao II, knowing floyd just fights safe, pacs past prime and the first fight was as interresting as 2 fat children wrestling?

floyd has weak hands, broken hands, thats why he doesnt want to punch, he had to many hand problems, than he simply doesnt want to fight actionstyle and please the puplic. so, anybody who doesnt see this is blind. i am so happy this boring chicken is out of boxing and pac-may 2 will never happen.

pacquiao-canelo, pacquiao-thurman, pacquiao-crawford. this is the stuff i am thinking about, if pac looks him impressiv, which i think he will.

Vargas looks a head taller than Pac. I think Pac's experience will win him a close decision. Like 115-113 range. Vargas is a good fighter top ten at WW but not a good championship caliber type of fighter that Pac is used to fighting.

Pac should have already retired after the Bradley Fight. Eventually it's going to catch up to him. I don't see Pac beating the likes of Garcia,Spence or the Thurman's. If Pac wins and still lingers on fighting I think they will go after the Name Fighters at 140 or below. The lower weight guys already rumors or if you want to call it offers to Lomachenko...

Tanzio wrote:Pac should win but Vargas is not the dead dog most think.

he was a bit better than rios, still a punching bag


like i said, if u lose against a weak minimi, how u gonne beat a stronger faster minimi

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I believe that Vargas presents much more of a problem for Manny than you illustrate. Vargas found something late in the Bradley fight when he had Bradley out on his feet. He fought way too safely in that fight for 11 rounds. If he fought every round like he did that 12th round, Bradley would have been knocked out. Vargas fought that way from round 1 on against Ali and we saw what happened there. Vargas is a very live underdog in this one and if he's not start struck from the bright lights, he will give Manny all he can handle.

Manny wins, Floyd is next. It's the only logical fight for both guys IMO. Maybe Canelo but I think Floyd makes more sense for both.

you think the public would be dumb enough to buy into mayweather-pacquiao II, knowing floyd just fights safe, pacs past prime and the first fight was as interresting as 2 fat children wrestling?

floyd has weak hands, broken hands, thats why he doesnt want to punch, he had to many hand problems, than he simply doesnt want to fight actionstyle and please the puplic. so, anybody who doesnt see this is blind. i am so happy this boring chicken is out of boxing and pac-may 2 will never happen.

pacquiao-canelo, pacquiao-thurman, pacquiao-crawford. this is the stuff i am thinking about, if pac looks him impressiv, which i think he will.

Pretty good prediction here man. I would classify Manny's performance as "impressive" like you predicted so I do think that the fights you reference above are now more probable than Floyd/Manny.

But to answer your question, No. I don't think that the public would buy in on Manny/Floyd and the fight wouldn't do better numbers than the first one. But I'd prefer it as the next fight because I think that Manny would fight a little differently. Even last night, Manny had a lot of lulls in his action...lots of head movement and posturing without any punching. I think Floyd and Bayless were the most to blame for that pillow fight but Manny also deserves some blame as well. He didn't throw enough and hence landed as many punches as the rest of us did that night...not much.

I just want them to have another crack at righting the wrong. Both guys deserve that in my opinion.

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I believe that Vargas presents much more of a problem for Manny than you illustrate. Vargas found something late in the Bradley fight when he had Bradley out on his feet. He fought way too safely in that fight for 11 rounds. If he fought every round like he did that 12th round, Bradley would have been knocked out. Vargas fought that way from round 1 on against Ali and we saw what happened there. Vargas is a very live underdog in this one and if he's not start struck from the bright lights, he will give Manny all he can handle.

Manny wins, Floyd is next. It's the only logical fight for both guys IMO. Maybe Canelo but I think Floyd makes more sense for both.

you think the public would be dumb enough to buy into mayweather-pacquiao II, knowing floyd just fights safe, pacs past prime and the first fight was as interresting as 2 fat children wrestling?

floyd has weak hands, broken hands, thats why he doesnt want to punch, he had to many hand problems, than he simply doesnt want to fight actionstyle and please the puplic. so, anybody who doesnt see this is blind. i am so happy this boring chicken is out of boxing and pac-may 2 will never happen.

pacquiao-canelo, pacquiao-thurman, pacquiao-crawford. this is the stuff i am thinking about, if pac looks him impressiv, which i think he will.

Pretty good prediction here man. I would classify Manny's performance as "impressive" like you predicted so I do think that the fights you reference above are now more probable than Floyd/Manny.

But to answer your question, No. I don't think that the public would buy in on Manny/Floyd and the fight wouldn't do better numbers than the first one. But I'd prefer it as the next fight because I think that Manny would fight a little differently. Even last night, Manny had a lot of lulls in his action...lots of head movement and posturing without any punching. I think Floyd and Bayless were the most to blame for that pillow fight but Manny also deserves some blame as well. He didn't throw enough and hence landed as many punches as the rest of us did that night...not much.

I just want them to have another crack at righting the wrong. Both guys deserve that in my opinion.

you know caldo the 1 big big problem i have with mayweather/pacquiao 2.

pacquiaos lack of aggression. compared of what pac in his prime used to be, a tornado punching fast hard shots full round, 12 rds long. he is so so so far away from this. 2007 pac would have won rds against floyd via aggression, footspeed, simply punching and landing more than floyd, who rarely punches at all.

but the pac of today, still got pop in his punches, but his footspeed, his overall aggression to go for the kill is just 2 level under what he used to be. and in order to win in an aggressiv fashion against floyd, you need your highest level and not level 3 or less. castillo was prime, won against floyd. maidana was prime and some say drawed even won against floyd and pac is just not the same anymore.

i give spence a better chance of beating floyd, cause spence got pac kind of power, but that young fresh energy to close up the distance to bother floyd. but both are homies, so that goes out of the window.

no, i just want to see floyd never again, he bored me for so many years and i simply prefer to watch pac and thurman in a war hurting each other, than see old pac chasing and running the not punching hiding floyd for 12 non action rounds.

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:

you think the public would be dumb enough to buy into mayweather-pacquiao II, knowing floyd just fights safe, pacs past prime and the first fight was as interresting as 2 fat children wrestling?

floyd has weak hands, broken hands, thats why he doesnt want to punch, he had to many hand problems, than he simply doesnt want to fight actionstyle and please the puplic. so, anybody who doesnt see this is blind. i am so happy this boring chicken is out of boxing and pac-may 2 will never happen.

pacquiao-canelo, pacquiao-thurman, pacquiao-crawford. this is the stuff i am thinking about, if pac looks him impressiv, which i think he will.

Pretty good prediction here man. I would classify Manny's performance as "impressive" like you predicted so I do think that the fights you reference above are now more probable than Floyd/Manny.

But to answer your question, No. I don't think that the public would buy in on Manny/Floyd and the fight wouldn't do better numbers than the first one. But I'd prefer it as the next fight because I think that Manny would fight a little differently. Even last night, Manny had a lot of lulls in his action...lots of head movement and posturing without any punching. I think Floyd and Bayless were the most to blame for that pillow fight but Manny also deserves some blame as well. He didn't throw enough and hence landed as many punches as the rest of us did that night...not much.

I just want them to have another crack at righting the wrong. Both guys deserve that in my opinion.

you know caldo the 1 big big problem i have with mayweather/pacquiao 2.

pacquiaos lack of aggression. compared of what pac in his prime used to be, a tornado punching fast hard shots full round, 12 rds long. he is so so so far away from this. 2007 pac would have won rds against floyd via aggression, footspeed, simply punching and landing more than floyd, who rarely punches at all.

but the pac of today, still got pop in his punches, but his footspeed, his overall aggression to go for the kill is just 2 level under what he used to be. and in order to win in an aggressiv fashion against floyd, you need your highest level and not level 3 or less. castillo was prime, won against floyd. maidana was prime and some say drawed even won against floyd and pac is just not the same anymore.

i give spence a better chance of beating floyd, cause spence got pac kind of power, but that young fresh energy to close up the distance to bother floyd. but both are homies, so that goes out of the window.

no, i just want to see floyd never again, he bored me for so many years and i simply prefer to watch pac and thurman in a war hurting each other, than see old pac chasing and running the not punching hiding floyd for 12 non action rounds.

I can't contest anything you just said, i agree completely. Manny used to possess a boxing style that transcended the sport to hard core fans as well as novice fans alike. No matter if it was the first fight you ever seen or the millionth, he opened eyes and made it fun. Now, it's just a bunch of nervous energy in there to me. Manny used to go after that knockout like a shark with blood in the water but ever since he was put to sleep by JMM, he's more responsible in the ring. And honestly, you can't blame him.

But against Floyd, a guy that hasn't had a REAL knockout (Ortiz doesn't count to me) since 2007, you would have thought he'd go balls out in that one and take some chances. Unfortunately, Manny thought he was winning that fight and was surprised at the final tally. I too felt the fight was closer so i think that's why we saw such a stinker. I think that if they fought one more time though, Manny would realize that it's almost impossible to win a decision against Floyd. I think that we'd see a different Manny who will let it all hang out and not play it safe like he did in the first. So doesn't it intrigue you a little bit to think of what a second fight might look like with what both guys have learned after the first one?

Floyd Mayweather rematch in 2087.

Floyd always does better in rematches. It would be more of the same, only a wider decision. Floyd wouldn't have to figure out timing, etc like he did in the first. Even though he. is 2 yrs older, I think he would be the fresher fighter. It is not a fight that rabid Pac fans would want to see, but yes, they would pay for it. Even if it does 2 million buys, still about twice what any other fight brings.

I would much rather see Floyd stay retired, and watch Pac vs Crawford. I think it is a 50-50 fight with slight favor to Crawford. Manny vs Vargas was a garbage fight from the beginning. Come on, Vargas lost nearly every round to Bradley, who Manny dominated. The only thing that would have surprised me is Manny KO'ing Vargas. Easy prediction because Vargas has little power and average skills. Vargas is about at the level as Khan, Berto, and Guerrero,etc.

When you're 37...already a First Ballot Hall of Famer and continuing to fight on just for the sake of fighting on. I'm not sure any next step is a logical step exactly.

I'm sure Bob Arum will be doing all he can to keep pushing him in against other young Top Rank guys knowing that he'll have himself another star if one of them beats him.

Crawford.

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Pretty good prediction here man. I would classify Manny's performance as "impressive" like you predicted so I do think that the fights you reference above are now more probable than Floyd/Manny.

But to answer your question, No. I don't think that the public would buy in on Manny/Floyd and the fight wouldn't do better numbers than the first one. But I'd prefer it as the next fight because I think that Manny would fight a little differently. Even last night, Manny had a lot of lulls in his action...lots of head movement and posturing without any punching. I think Floyd and Bayless were the most to blame for that pillow fight but Manny also deserves some blame as well. He didn't throw enough and hence landed as many punches as the rest of us did that night...not much.

I just want them to have another crack at righting the wrong. Both guys deserve that in my opinion.

you know caldo the 1 big big problem i have with mayweather/pacquiao 2.

pacquiaos lack of aggression. compared of what pac in his prime used to be, a tornado punching fast hard shots full round, 12 rds long. he is so so so far away from this. 2007 pac would have won rds against floyd via aggression, footspeed, simply punching and landing more than floyd, who rarely punches at all.

but the pac of today, still got pop in his punches, but his footspeed, his overall aggression to go for the kill is just 2 level under what he used to be. and in order to win in an aggressiv fashion against floyd, you need your highest level and not level 3 or less. castillo was prime, won against floyd. maidana was prime and some say drawed even won against floyd and pac is just not the same anymore.

i give spence a better chance of beating floyd, cause spence got pac kind of power, but that young fresh energy to close up the distance to bother floyd. but both are homies, so that goes out of the window.

no, i just want to see floyd never again, he bored me for so many years and i simply prefer to watch pac and thurman in a war hurting each other, than see old pac chasing and running the not punching hiding floyd for 12 non action rounds.

I can't contest anything you just said, i agree completely. Manny used to possess a boxing style that transcended the sport to hard core fans as well as novice fans alike. No matter if it was the first fight you ever seen or the millionth, he opened eyes and made it fun. Now, it's just a bunch of nervous energy in there to me. Manny used to go after that knockout like a shark with blood in the water but ever since he was put to sleep by JMM, he's more responsible in the ring. And honestly, you can't blame him.

But against Floyd, a guy that hasn't had a REAL knockout (Ortiz doesn't count to me) since 2007, you would have thought he'd go balls out in that one and take some chances. Unfortunately, Manny thought he was winning that fight and was surprised at the final tally. I too felt the fight was closer so i think that's why we saw such a stinker. I think that if they fought one more time though, Manny would realize that it's almost impossible to win a decision against Floyd. I think that we'd see a different Manny who will let it all hang out and not play it safe like he did in the first. So doesn't it intrigue you a little bit to think of what a second fight might look like with what both guys have learned after the first one?

you right.

it makes me very interresting that it could be, that pac is thinking "if i see him again, i am gonne destroy him, chase hunt him down"

if he would have this attitude, i would be the first one to say, i want pac-may 2

but i just cant see this happening, to me, like you said, the marquez ko changed him. now all this jesus bible stuff changed him and he is simply living the life of a multi millionere political figure. no deep desire for war and destruction like he had 7 years ago, simply over.

and as far as mayweather, dude is just straight up boring. cant watch him. i would only like to watch floyd if it would be a 90 % chance that he would end up on the canvas, so yeah, floyd come back, for ggg or degale

Way he looked last night Pacman doesnt have much left in him. Therefore there are total of two options available to Bob.

Option 1. Convince Floyd to come back for the 50ith. Fool gullible fans about heeled shoulder, finally found killer instinct and milk them for PPV cash.

Option 2. Feed Pacman to Crawford to raise his much lucking marketability.

Tarkus wrote:Way he looked last night Pacman doesnt have much left in him. Therefore there are total of two options available to Bob.

Option 1. Convince Floyd to come back for the 50ith. Fool gullible fans about heeled shoulder, finally found killer instinct and milk them for PPV cash.

Option 2. Feed Pacman to Crawford to raise his much lucking marketability.

what if pac manages to beat craw

There is a risk of that. But loosing to Pac wont have too much of a negative effect. In the short term in fact it will add to Crawfords recognition.