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you pick your winner in advance for the big one (kov-ward) and whats than your year end list?

few words. ggg didnt impress me, for the first time he fought an athletic guy and the athletic guy won rounds and if the athletic guy would have been an real middleweight, with middleweight power and middleweight chin, than ggg would have had his first L. ggg is strong, but yes, he is limited, in terms of foot and handspeed, in terms of overall athletic ability etc. a athletic technicle guy with power in a p4p sense like rigo would beat him and floyd would run threw every rd, winning rd after rd. ggg cant handle that kind of foot speed/work.

1. Rigondeaux (still the best boxer, nobody wants to face him, nobody matches his skills/athletiscm)
2. Kovalev (he will tko ward badly and earn this spot, although he is limited)
3. Inoue (i think he beats gonzales, both same division, so why should i rate gonzales over inoue?)
4. Lomachenko (same as rigo, just a pure boxer who can do everything)
5. Gonzales (best record in boxing right now)
6. Ward
7. Golovkin
8. Crawford
9. Canelo
10. Oleksandr Usyk

1. Gonzalez
2. Crawford
3. Frampton
4. Golovkin
5. Lomachenko
6. Kovalev
7. Yamanaka
8. Rigondeaux

I can't think of anyone else that deserved to be in the top ten after a pretty dire year of boxing, perhaps Usyk could make my list had he been more active. Ask me again in eight weeks.

EDIT: My list is influenced by activity and level of opposition, not just skill.

1.Crawford
2.Lomachenko
3.Gonzalez
4.Thurman
5.Frampton
6.Kovalev
7.Golovkin
8.Canelo
9.Inoue
10.Rigondeaux
11.Ward
12.Yamanaka
13.Stevenson
14.Jacobs
15.Usyk

DannyMCR wrote:1. Gonzalez
2. Crawford
3. Frampton
4. Golovkin
5. Lomachenko
6. Kovalev
7. Yamanaka
8. Rigondeaux

I can't think of anyone else that deserved to be in the top ten after a pretty dire year of boxing, perhaps Usyk could make my list had he been more active. Ask me again in eight weeks.

EDIT: My list is influenced by activity and level of opposition, not just skill.

okay, i see,gonzales, in terms of record like i said is #1

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PBC al haymon

1 Golovkin
2 Gonzalez
3 Alvarez
4 Kovalev
5 Pacquiao
6 Crawford
7 Rigondeaux
8 Frampton
9 Klitschko
10 Thurman

i cant make much update to my list, because like i mostly do, i perfectly predictied future.

i said kovalev would win and climbd the list, so he did.

i had loma very high on my list and so does he stay, cause i alaways knew how special he is.

1. Lomachenko
2. Rigondeaux
3. Inoue
4. Gonzales
5. Golovkin
6. Kovalev
7. Crawford
8. Canelo
9. Usyk
10. Pacquiao

what is your top 10 ...

1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Vasyl Lomachenko
3. Sergey Kovalev *
4. Andre Ward *
5. Gennady Golovkin
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. Terence Crawford
8. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Carl Frampton

* - Since the entire concept of P4P lists are subjective I still rank Kovalev ahead of Ward on this list since I feel Kovalev won the fight and deserved the decision. I have Ward ranked ahead of him in the divisional rankings though because at least as far as official divisional rankings go you have to go with the result I feel.

I think Crawford is the best fighter in the world.

1. Ward
2. Chocolatito
3. Kovalev
4. GGG
5. Crawford
6. Lomachenko
7. Pacquiao
8. Canelo
9. Frampton
10. Yamanaka

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is the best fighter in the world.

why

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is the best fighter in the world.

why

Best overall skills, ridiculously versatile, solid power.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think Crawford is the best fighter in the world.

why

Best overall skills, ridiculously versatile, solid power.

he improved a lot, thats for sure. from a big puncher to a complet boxer with lateral movemant etc

you think he can be a destructer at 147

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
why

Best overall skills, ridiculously versatile, solid power.

he improved a lot, thats for sure. from a big puncher to a complet boxer with lateral movemant etc

you think he can be a destructer at 147

Obviously, I'd pick him over anyone but Spence. 50/50 there for me. If he gets Manny, he'll be on top of more lists. Easy fight for him.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Best overall skills, ridiculously versatile, solid power.

he improved a lot, thats for sure. from a big puncher to a complet boxer with lateral movemant etc

you think he can be a destructer at 147

Obviously, I'd pick him over anyone but Spence. 50/50 there for me. If he gets Manny, he'll be on top of more lists. Easy fight for him.

he surely is a better boxer than thurman. but thurman got so much power, is build like a 154 boxer. just wounder how crawford, who looks thin and much weaker compared to big 147 would do with them, once he gets clocked good. i am just not sold on both spence and crawfords chin concerning they would meet a big puncher like thurman. as far as pac go, craw should beat him, although it wouldnt be easy, pac realy looks fit even with his old age.

Spence hasn't stepped up yet, he hits harder than Thurman though. Why don't you worry about rigondeauxs chin. He gets dropped at will.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence hasn't stepped up yet, he hits harder than Thurman though. Why don't you worry about rigondeauxs chin. He gets dropped at will.

he gets droped, but the punches doesnt seem to affect him much. there is a difference between being dropped and being dropped. some guys get dropped a lot but come back stronger of arent hurt, like tito, he did hit several times the canvas, but when he came back his opponent had a problem. than there is being dropped and hurt at the same time, not recovering. rigo can outslick, outmove anybody, so even if he gets dropped, you will have mayor difficulties catching him and finishing him. crawford isnt that slick.

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence hasn't stepped up yet, he hits harder than Thurman though. Why don't you worry about rigondeauxs chin. He gets dropped at will.

he gets droped, but the punches doesnt seem to affect him much. there is a difference between being dropped and being dropped. some guys get dropped a lot but come back stronger of arent hurt, like tito, he did hit several times the canvas, but when he came back his opponent had a problem. than there is being dropped and hurt at the same time, not recovering. rigo can outslick, outmove anybody, so even if he gets dropped, you will have mayor difficulties catching him and finishing him. crawford isnt that slick.

Crawford is plenty slick and he doesn't get touched by the caliber of fighters that have dropped Rigo.

From what i've seen of rigo he can't or just won't come forward. If he was a counter puncher who could come forward with a jab he would be a complete fighter but I havn't seen that of him yet.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Best overall skills, ridiculously versatile, solid power.

he improved a lot, thats for sure. from a big puncher to a complet boxer with lateral movemant etc

you think he can be a destructer at 147

Obviously, I'd pick him over anyone but Spence. 50/50 there for me. If he gets Manny, he'll be on top of more lists. Easy fight for him.

I'm not convinced that Spence beats Brook if that fight happens for Brooks IBF strap.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
he improved a lot, thats for sure. from a big puncher to a complet boxer with lateral movemant etc

you think he can be a destructer at 147

Obviously, I'd pick him over anyone but Spence. 50/50 there for me. If he gets Manny, he'll be on top of more lists. Easy fight for him.

I'm not convinced that Spence beats Brook if that fight happens for Brooks IBF strap.

Nor should you be, brook is miles better than anything Errol has seen.

Rigondeaux is the most consistently overrated guy on these lists. Outside of beating Nonito Donaire a few years back he's done nothing to justify the pedestal some fans put him on.

Nonito was insanely overrated then. In all of this p4p nonsense, he and Sergio were the two most overrated to me.

1-4 (in arbitrary order, sorted alphabetically) Crawford, Golovkin, Gonzalez, Lomachenko
5-7 (in arbitrary order, sorted alphabetically) Inoue, Spence, Thurman
8-10 (in arbitrary order, sorted alphabetically) Brook, Kovalev, Pacquiao
11-15 (in arbitrary order, sorted alphabetically) Andrade, Lara, Rigo, Usyk, Ward

gilgamesh wrote:Rigondeaux is the most consistently overrated guy on these lists. Outside of beating Nonito Donaire a few years back he's done nothing to justify the pedestal some fans put him on.

yeah and you get 2 gold medals and become a amateur legend just pars coincidence