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Month before fight date no exact place, no undercart, general silence...

Will it happen???

I can't find and particulars on it either.

Povetkin was in training a weak or so ego, and was looking good:

https://twitter.com/worldofbox/status/7 ... 3532728320

I came across one week old interview with Ryabinskiy where he says that they are negotiating with Stiverne and contract should be signed soon. Knowing Don King and his difficult relationship with Ryabinskiy it is entirely possible that fight wont happen.

The WBC are trying to do everything they can to avoid Povetkin vs Wilder and this joke is just another one. And then acting like it's Povetkin who couses trouble. In reality everybody knows Wilder is a joke and so is the WBC. If it was a Russian who had the belt it would have been taken away ages ago, like what happened to Grigory Drozd for example.

Also, as far as I know it was scheduled for 17 december.

asdfjkl wrote:The WBC are trying to do everything they can to avoid Povetkin vs Wilder and this joke is just another one. And then acting like it's Povetkin who couses trouble. In reality everybody knows Wilder is a joke and so is the WBC. If it was a Russian who had the belt it would have been taken away ages ago, like what happened to Grigory Drozd for example.

Also, as far as I know it was scheduled for 17 december.

You sound like a broken record, over and over. Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:The WBC are trying to do everything they can to avoid Povetkin vs Wilder and this joke is just another one. And then acting like it's Povetkin who couses trouble. In reality everybody knows Wilder is a joke and so is the WBC. If it was a Russian who had the belt it would have been taken away ages ago, like what happened to Grigory Drozd for example.

Also, as far as I know it was scheduled for 17 december.

You sound like a broken record, over and over. Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

He pissed clean lol, just watch the facts, Povetkin never broke a single rule and still hasn't. Wilder is the main reason for the mistake that happened. If Wilder didn't beg for the butchers to be involved they would have never made this mistake and the fight could have happened without problems. Sadly, Wilder wasn't ready for the fight and found a way to delay it again. We might be very lucky that he didn't manage to avoid it completely, which was Wilder and his team their intentions. The WBC champion has to fight good opponends, and not drugsaddicted out of shape idiots like Arreola.


And the list of American doping cheaters seems endless, so the latest nationality in the world that should blame Russians are Americans.

Here is a list of a few of the dopingcheaters from America:Mary Akor Basley
Duncan Atwood
Randy Barnes
Kenta Bell
Gwen Berry
Michael Berry
Scott Boothby
Kevin Braunskill
Jillian Camarena-Williams
John Capel
LaMark Carter
Damu Cherry
Hazel Clark
Ramon Clay
Michelle Collins
Harold Connolly
Jessica Cosby
Crystal Cox
Shawn Crawford
Bonnie Dasse
Walter Davis
Mary Decker
Tony Dees
Jim Doehring
Jon Drummond
Debbie Dunn
Monzavous Edwards
Torri Edwards
Sandra Farmer-Patrick
Greg Foster
Brian Frasure
Jake Freeman
Chryste Gaines
Justin Gatlin
Tyson Gay
Sandra Glover
Mike Gravelle
Bill Green
Mickey Grimes
Alvin Harrison
Calvin Harrison
Floyd Heard
Eddy Hellebuyck
C.J. Hunter
Kathy Jager
Cordera Jenkins
Mark Jelks
Regina Jacobs
Marion Jones
Kamy Keshmiri
Atalelech Ketema
Gary Kinder
Jeff Laynes
Carl Lewis
Jud Logan
Chris Lukezic
LaVonna Martin-Floreal
John McEwen
Inika McPherson
LaShawn Merritt
Inger Miller
Dennis Mitchell
Tim Montgomery
Melissa Myerscough
Larry Myricks
Al Oerter
Antonio Pettigrew
Chris Phillips
Ben Plucknett
Butch Reynolds
Mike Rodgers
Duane Ross
Serene Ross
Mark Rowe
Timothy Rusan
Lindsey Scherf
Wallace Spearmon
Mike Stulce
Art Swarts
Gregg Tafralis
Kory Tarpenning
Eric Thomas
Kevin Toth
Larry Wade
Erick Walder
Delisa Walton-Floyd
Kelli White
Bernard Williams
Diane Williams
Ivory Williams
Jerome Young
Lance Armstrong
Tom Danielson
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Christian Vande Velde
David Zabriskie
Bobby Julich
Jonathan Vaughters
Shelby Stacy
Julio Cruz
David Anthony
Monica Bascio
Cyril Jay-Rayon
Kirk O'Bee
Juan Pineda
Scott Moninger
Amber Neben
Adham Sbeih
David Fuentes
Stephen Alfred
Joseph Michael Papp
Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton
Shannon Briggs
Mike Tyson
Andre Agassi
Darrell Alderman
Sadam Ali
A. J. Allmendinger
Lyle Alzado
Chris Andersen
Frankie Andreu
Abdallah Anwar
Sarah Baham
Josh Barnett
Phil Baroni
Doug Barron
Bryan Berard
Adam Bergman
Dale Berra
Alex Bogomolov Jr.
Barry Bonds
Stephan Bonnar
David Boston
Ryan Braun
Matt Bricker
Emily Brunneman
Rebekkah Brunson
Rachael Burke
Enos Cabell
Mike Cameron
Ken Caminiti
José Canseco
Roger Clemens
Chris Cooper
Kit Cope
Brian Cushing
Joey D'Antoni
Lindsay Devaney
Nick Diaz
Jerramie Domish
Aaron Fike
Ryan Franklin
Michael Gausman
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Dwight Gooden
Sam Grammer
Jason Grimsley
Kevin Grubb
Melvin Guillard
Dennis Hallman
Morgan Hamm
Jessica Hardy
Rodney Harrison
Keith Hernandez
Shane Hmiel
Mary Hofer
Al Holland
Steve Howe
James Irvin
Michael Irvin
Harrison Jones
Roy Jones Jr.
Robert Kendrick
Tonya Knight
Lee Lacy
Matt Lawton
Chris Leben
Kayle Leogrande
Jeffrey Leonard
Kimo Leopoldo
Kristen Lewis
Rashard Lewis
Paul Lo Duca
Kerry Lynch
Zach Lund
Sean Mahoney
Nate Marquardt
Landon Marzullo
Jeremy Mayfield
O. J. Mayo
Sean McCully
Mark McGwire
Tim McNeill
Shawne Merriman
Jeff Michels
Shane Monahan
Scott Moninger
Zachary Monsees
Josh Moreau
Mike Morse
Johnnie Morton
Shane Mosley
Kirk O'Bee
Ryan Newport
Rafael Palmeiro
Karo Parisyan
Dave Parker
Jermell Pennie
Andy Pettitte
Michael Phelps
Michael Picotte
Jorge Piedra
Juan Pineda
Tim Raines
Kevin Randleman
Shawn Ray
Stephen Rehrmann
Danny Rios
Barret Robbins
Grant Roberts
Alex Rodriguez
Bill Romanowski
Loren Ross
Todd Sauerbrun
Adam Sbieh
Orlando Scandrick
Mike Schmidt
David Segui
Ken Shamrock
Gary Sheffield
Sean Sherk
Steve Siler
Chael Sonnen
Adam Smith
Lonnie Smith
Lary Sorensen
Brandon Spikes
Darryl Strawberry
Jamal Strong
Marcus Stroud
Dana Stubblefield
Tim Sylvia
Antonio Tarver
Tammy Thomas
James Toney
Anthony Torres
Norik Vardanian
Fernando Vargas
Kicker Vencill
Joe Warren
Claudell Washington
Eric Watts
Wes Welker
Ricky Williams
Tara Zwink


Sadly these aren't all of them and only the ones who actually got busted, but here's at least a few of them.

Badhusker wrote:Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Personally-speaking, I think it’s wise to avoid jumping to all sorts of conclusions as to what had actually occurred when the Wilder-Povetkin bout got cancelled at the last minute, because the claim that you have made is one of the issues currently being contested as part of a lawsuit that Andrey Ryabinsky has filed against Deontay Wilder.

It seems that Ryabinsky’s lawsuit contains legitimate complaints that must be addressed in court, since Deontay Wilder’s legal representatives would not have failed in their motion to dismiss.

We know for certain that numerous allegations from Ryabinsky were not even contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

I've already provided you with links to the actual lawsuit notes during our previous discussions about the matter, which you refrained to comment on, as these legal documents appeared to undermine several claims that you had made.

I have also previously advised you to contact Wilder’s legal representatives, if you sincerely believe that you are better qualified to comment on this matter than they are, because your evidence could save Deontay an awful lot of money!

Wilder is represented by Judd Burstein and Peter B. Schalk of Judd Burstein PC, so you should contact them directly and immediately in order to supply them with your expert knowledge on the matter, here's their postal address:

Judd Burstein, P.C.
5 Columbus Circle, Suite 1501
New York, NY
NY 10019
United States

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Personally-speaking, I think it’s wise to avoid jumping to all sorts of conclusions as to what had actually occurred when the Wilder-Povetkin bout got cancelled at the last minute, because the claim that you have made is currently being contested by a lawsuit that Andrey Ryabinsky has filed against Deontay Wilder.

It seems that Ryabinsky’s lawsuit contains legitimate complaints that must be addressed in court, since Deontay Wilder’s legal representatives would not have failed in their motion to dismiss.

We know for certain that numerous allegations from Ryabinsky were not even contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

I've already provided you with links to the actual lawsuit notes during our previous discussions about the matter, which you refrained to comment on, as these legal documents appeared to undermine several claims that you had made.

I have also previously advised you to contact Wilder’s legal representatives, if you sincerely believe that you are better qualified to comment on this matter than they are, because your evidence could save Deontay an awful lot of money!

Wilder is represented by Judd Burstein and Peter B. Schalk of Judd Burstein PC, so you should contact them directly and immediately in order to supply them with your expert knowledge on the matter, here's their postal address:

Judd Burstein, P.C.
5 Columbus Circle, Suite 1501
New York, NY
NY 10019
United States

Who cares, Burstein and his opposite will make a lot of money anyway.

I just wanted to understand if Povetkin-Stiverne fight is on the table, since it's only month left and no place is set and no undercart...and no real promotion, in English and/or Russian....

bigman1968 wrote:I just wanted to understand if Povetkin-Stiverne fight is on the table, since it's only month left and no place is set and no undercart...and no real promotion, in English and/or Russian....

Both Stiverne and Povetkin are definitely in the midst of their training for their December 17th bout, which BoxRec has claimed is being staged in Russia, with the event being promoted by “World of Boxing”.

Andrey Ryabinsky, the promoter who won the WBC purse bid, has claimed that the venue for the bout is likely to be Moscow or Yekateringburg.

From what I can tell, the undercard for this event hasn’t been "officially" finalised yet.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Personally-speaking, I think it’s wise to avoid jumping to all sorts of conclusions as to what had actually occurred when the Wilder-Povetkin bout got cancelled at the last minute, because the claim that you have made is one of the issues currently being contested as part of a lawsuit that Andrey Ryabinsky has filed against Deontay Wilder.

It seems that Ryabinsky’s lawsuit contains legitimate complaints that must be addressed in court, since Deontay Wilder’s legal representatives would not have failed in their motion to dismiss.

We know for certain that numerous allegations from Ryabinsky were not even contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

I've already provided you with links to the actual lawsuit notes during our previous discussions about the matter, which you refrained to comment on, as these legal documents appeared to undermine several claims that you had made.

I have also previously advised you to contact Wilder’s legal representatives, if you sincerely believe that you are better qualified to comment on this matter than they are, because your evidence could save Deontay an awful lot of money!

Wilder is represented by Judd Burstein and Peter B. Schalk of Judd Burstein PC, so you should contact them directly and immediately in order to supply them with your expert knowledge on the matter, here's their postal address:

Judd Burstein, P.C.
5 Columbus Circle, Suite 1501
New York, NY
NY 10019
United States

I'm sorry, but you must be confusing me with someone else that gives a rats ass what you think.

Badhusker wrote:I'm sorry, but you must be confusing me with someone else that gives a rats ass what you think.

In regards to this particular matter, I have persistently refrained from expressing a personal opinion. Instead, all I've done is quote the facts and counter arguments articulated in the official lawsuit notes in parrot-like fashion.

I've even supplied you with access to the lawsuit notes, to allow you to verify for yourself my interpretation events, as documented by the various legal representatives of Wilder and Povetkin.

So if you openly admit to not giving a damn about the information that I have conveyed, the objective truth of reality, then this blatantly renders your opinion on the matter utterly worthless.

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Personally-speaking, I think it’s wise to avoid jumping to all sorts of conclusions as to what had actually occurred when the Wilder-Povetkin bout got cancelled at the last minute, because the claim that you have made is one of the issues currently being contested as part of a lawsuit that Andrey Ryabinsky has filed against Deontay Wilder.

It seems that Ryabinsky’s lawsuit contains legitimate complaints that must be addressed in court, since Deontay Wilder’s legal representatives would not have failed in their motion to dismiss.

We know for certain that numerous allegations from Ryabinsky were not even contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

I've already provided you with links to the actual lawsuit notes during our previous discussions about the matter, which you refrained to comment on, as these legal documents appeared to undermine several claims that you had made.

I have also previously advised you to contact Wilder’s legal representatives, if you sincerely believe that you are better qualified to comment on this matter than they are, because your evidence could save Deontay an awful lot of money!

Wilder is represented by Judd Burstein and Peter B. Schalk of Judd Burstein PC, so you should contact them directly and immediately in order to supply them with your expert knowledge on the matter, here's their postal address:

Judd Burstein, P.C.
5 Columbus Circle, Suite 1501
New York, NY
NY 10019
United States

I'm sorry, but you must be confusing me with someone else that gives a rats ass what you think.

According to Ryabinsky and WBC, it is signed:

https://twitter.com/WBCBoxing/status/796051436798779392

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-sti ... g--110556?

"Stiverne fined for positive DMAA test, Povetkin bout remains on"

"On November 11, 2016 VADA notified the WBC that Bermane Stiverne’s anti-doping test taken from his November 4, 2016 sample (the “Test”) pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program (“CPB”) yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance methylhexaneamine (also known as dimethyamylamine or “DMAA”)."

"The WBC will not withdraw its sanction of the bout at this point in light of the fact that there is sufficient time to put in place preventative and remedial measures to protect the health and safety of the bout’s participants."

Enlightened-One wrote:"Stiverne fined for positive DMAA test, Povetkin bout remains on"

"On November 11, 2016 VADA notified the WBC that Bermane Stiverne’s anti-doping test taken from his November 4, 2016 sample (the “Test”) pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program (“CPB”) yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance methylhexaneamine (also known as dimethyamylamine or “DMAA”)."

"The WBC will not withdraw its sanction of the bout at this point in light of the fact that there is sufficient time to put in place preventative and remedial measures to protect the health and safety of the bout’s participants."

This means they want Povetkin as there champion

world ranked wrote:This means they want Povetkin as there champion

No it doesn't. The WBC seem to prefer Deontay Wilder to retain ownership of their world heavyweight title.

By the time he steps foot into the ring again, Deontay Wilder would have been allowed to retain ownership of the WBC heavyweight title for far more than two years, without having ever faced a mandatory challenger.

Alexander Povetkin would have been the “mandatory challenger” to Deontay Wilder’s world title for nineteen months when he defends his “mandatory challenger” status next month against the recently-alleged drug cheat, Bermane Stiverne.

So now it seems that the long-term “mandatory” challenger has been mandated by the WBC to perform a “mandatory” defence of his “mandatory” status before the world champion is obliged to defend his world heavyweight title against the “mandatory” challenger.

world ranked wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:"Stiverne fined for positive DMAA test, Povetkin bout remains on"

"On November 11, 2016 VADA notified the WBC that Bermane Stiverne’s anti-doping test taken from his November 4, 2016 sample (the “Test”) pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program (“CPB”) yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance methylhexaneamine (also known as dimethyamylamine or “DMAA”)."

"The WBC will not withdraw its sanction of the bout at this point in light of the fact that there is sufficient time to put in place preventative and remedial measures to protect the health and safety of the bout’s participants."

This means they want Povetkin as there champion

It also means that WBC's "clean sport" crap is just a PR gesture.

The fight is still on as far as I have heard.

Enlightened-One wrote:

world ranked wrote:This means they want Povetkin as there champion

No it doesn't. The WBC seem to prefer Deontay Wilder to retain ownership of their world heavyweight title.

By the time he steps foot into the ring again, Deontay Wilder would have been allowed to retain ownership of the WBC heavyweight title for far more than two years, without having ever faced a mandatory challenger.

Alexander Povetkin would have been the “mandatory challenger” to Deontay Wilder’s world title for nineteen months when he defends his “mandatory challenger” status next month against the recently-alleged drug cheat, Bermane Stiverne.

So now it seems that the long-term “mandatory” challenger has been mandated by the WBC to perform a “mandatory” defence of his “mandatory” status before the world champion is obliged to defend his world heavyweight title against the “mandatory” challenger.

Well they want a Povetkin vs Wilder matchup. You must not see the politics at play here. When Wilder gets back healthy in mid-2017. Then he's going to have a tune up. So late 2017 they might just straight strip Wilder of the title.

Wilder is negotiating with Hughie:

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/h ... lder/64594?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Personally-speaking, I think it’s wise to avoid jumping to all sorts of conclusions as to what had actually occurred when the Wilder-Povetkin bout got cancelled at the last minute, because the claim that you have made is one of the issues currently being contested as part of a lawsuit that Andrey Ryabinsky has filed against Deontay Wilder.

It seems that Ryabinsky’s lawsuit contains legitimate complaints that must be addressed in court, since Deontay Wilder’s legal representatives would not have failed in their motion to dismiss.

We know for certain that numerous allegations from Ryabinsky were not even contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

I've already provided you with links to the actual lawsuit notes during our previous discussions about the matter, which you refrained to comment on, as these legal documents appeared to undermine several claims that you had made.

I have also previously advised you to contact Wilder’s legal representatives, if you sincerely believe that you are better qualified to comment on this matter than they are, because your evidence could save Deontay an awful lot of money!

Wilder is represented by Judd Burstein and Peter B. Schalk of Judd Burstein PC, so you should contact them directly and immediately in order to supply them with your expert knowledge on the matter, here's their postal address:

Judd Burstein, P.C.
5 Columbus Circle, Suite 1501
New York, NY
NY 10019
United States

For a minute there I was almost convinced that your real name might be Judd Burstein.

Even more tricks to delay all fights, Wilder already said they were checking if it's possible to delay fights by taking certain substances without receiving a ban. An American trick like that doesn't surprise me any more.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Wilder didn't call off the fight. Pedvetkin pissed dirty, so it was stopped. Yes, later it was found that the amount he had in his system was within the limits. Quit blaming Wilder for the fight not happening. Your unfounded claims about how Russians are treated is tiring, and lame.

Personally-speaking, I think it’s wise to avoid jumping to all sorts of conclusions as to what had actually occurred when the Wilder-Povetkin bout got cancelled at the last minute, because the claim that you have made is one of the issues currently being contested as part of a lawsuit that Andrey Ryabinsky has filed against Deontay Wilder.

It seems that Ryabinsky’s lawsuit contains legitimate complaints that must be addressed in court, since Deontay Wilder’s legal representatives would not have failed in their motion to dismiss.

We know for certain that numerous allegations from Ryabinsky were not even contested by Wilder’s legal representatives.

I've already provided you with links to the actual lawsuit notes during our previous discussions about the matter, which you refrained to comment on, as these legal documents appeared to undermine several claims that you had made.

I have also previously advised you to contact Wilder’s legal representatives, if you sincerely believe that you are better qualified to comment on this matter than they are, because your evidence could save Deontay an awful lot of money!

Wilder is represented by Judd Burstein and Peter B. Schalk of Judd Burstein PC, so you should contact them directly and immediately in order to supply them with your expert knowledge on the matter, here's their postal address:

Judd Burstein, P.C.
5 Columbus Circle, Suite 1501
New York, NY
NY 10019
United States

I love you Enlightened-One.

Enlightened-One wrote:"Stiverne fined for positive DMAA test, Povetkin bout remains on"

"On November 11, 2016 VADA notified the WBC that Bermane Stiverne’s anti-doping test taken from his November 4, 2016 sample (the “Test”) pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program (“CPB”) yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance methylhexaneamine (also known as dimethyamylamine or “DMAA”)."

"The WBC will not withdraw its sanction of the bout at this point in light of the fact that there is sufficient time to put in place preventative and remedial measures to protect the health and safety of the bout’s participants."

..another doper, another bs excuse and another slap on the wrist...