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one of the most boring boxers of our generation with soft hands, who doesnt want to punch against an old past prime boxer, who lost his energetic style simply makes 0 sense.

the puplic is gonne be screwed again. but if they so dumb and forgot the money they lost buying for 100 $ ppv, than they dont deserve better. i didnt pay 100, still watched it and clearly remember what happened and i dont want to see that again, even if pacs shoulder is okay.

people seem to have a realy short memory.

Why so are we to keep waiting for Golden Boy and his Goose that lay the golden egg's this fight should happen next.

Who cares if the fight may stink? It's a big fight to add to what should be a very solid boxing schedule in 2017. Boxing owes us coming off the worst Boxing year in my lifetime. Fights are starting to be announced and it looks very promising so why not add one more big fight to entertain us for a Saturday night?

There's not a single negative i can take out of a rematch with these two. Everything is a bonus to me. Plus, i think those two also owe us a better performance. They have earned another shot to make it right. There's no doubt about that.

caldo2025 wrote:Who cares if the fight may stink? It's a big fight to add to what should be a very solid boxing schedule in 2017. Boxing owes us coming off the worst Boxing year in my lifetime. Fights are starting to be announced and it looks very promising so why not add one more big fight to entertain us for a Saturday night?

There's not a single negative i can take out of a rematch with these two. Everything is a bonus to me. Plus, i think those two also owe us a better performance. They have earned another shot to make it right. There's no doubt about that.

dont you understand. floyds hands are broken from past fights, thats why he does not punch a lot. manny is totaly out of prime and his last fight was overall boring. so you want an out of prime boxer against a boxer with hurt hands who rarely punches?

and you say "who care if the fight may stink"

are u stupid? most everybody cares if a fight is boring or not. thats why ward had rareöy ppv fights with his buys. thats why klitschko had to go out of the usa, cause americans hated his broing style. so yes, it matters if a fight is boring or not. and mayweather pacquiao 2 would be as boring as any mayweather fight and so mayweather pacquiao 1 was.

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Who cares if the fight may stink? It's a big fight to add to what should be a very solid boxing schedule in 2017. Boxing owes us coming off the worst Boxing year in my lifetime. Fights are starting to be announced and it looks very promising so why not add one more big fight to entertain us for a Saturday night?

There's not a single negative i can take out of a rematch with these two. Everything is a bonus to me. Plus, i think those two also owe us a better performance. They have earned another shot to make it right. There's no doubt about that.

dont you understand. floyds hands are broken from past fights, thats why he does not punch a lot. manny is totaly out of prime and his last fight was overall boring. so you want an out of prime boxer against a boxer with hurt hands who rarely punches?

and you say "who care if the fight may stink"

are u stupid? most everybody cares if a fight is boring or not. thats why ward had rareöy ppv fights with his buys. thats why klitschko had to go out of the usa, cause americans hated his broing style. so yes, it matters if a fight is boring or not. and mayweather pacquiao 2 would be as boring as any mayweather fight and so mayweather pacquiao 1 was.

Floyd retired because he's old, not because of his hand issues. Every boxer with a 30 + year career has issues with their hands. Floyd doesn't punch because he knows that he just has to finish the fight and he wins. He just wants to cash that check, not entertain. So don't make it a medical issue.

I loved the Manny/Vargas fight and I bought the fight. He knocked down and defeated a good young champion in his prime. So you're inability to asses a great accomplishment in the toughest profession in the world shows that you aren't ready for a solid discussion or worth my time.

I wont fall into this pile of shite again,floyd is a boring fighter and manny is too small for floyd,plus he isnt on peds any more so no more knockouts,anyone notice???

I didn't buy it the first time so the chances of me buying it in the 2nd time are zero.

I'm all for Manny/Mayweather II.

Manny has looked sharp in his last two fights.
He will have to fight aggressively or he's done.

I don't think Manny puts up a losing effort twice.
But he still loses though ...

caldo2025 wrote:Who cares if the fight may stink? It's a big fight to add to what should be a very solid boxing schedule in 2017. Boxing owes us coming off the worst Boxing year in my lifetime. Fights are starting to be announced and it looks very promising so why not add one more big fight to entertain us for a Saturday night?

There's not a single negative i can take out of a rematch with these two. Everything is a bonus to me. Plus, i think those two also owe us a better performance. They have earned another shot to make it right. There's no doubt about that.

What makes it a big fight in your mind, other than the ridiculous sums of money the two of them will earn.

The first bout was awful, the second will be worse, Pacquaio has clearly lost more than a step or two, Mayweather is inactive, and approaching 40, has brittle hands, and has very low punch output.

No way in god's earth would I pay to watch it, I guess there's people who find 12 rounds of feinting and shoulder rolling entertaining.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I'm all for Manny/Mayweather II.

Manny has looked sharp in his last two fights.
He will have to fight aggressively or he's done.

I don't think Manny puts up a losing effort twice.
But he still loses though ...

Manny looked ok in his last fight, but the opponent was tailor made for him, flat footed, wide stance, not much variety in his work, even then it was far from a stunning performance. Manny can't pull the trigger quickly often enough any more to really be that good offensively. His workrate plummeted after about the 4th-5th round.

The only hope for a decent fight would be if Mayweather's reflexes had gone, but Mayweather would know if they had, and would never take the fight.

I didn't fall into the trap of Manny/Mayweather I.

Tony1244 wrote:I didn't fall into the trap of Manny/Mayweather I.

..same here, never bought into this hype in the first place..

greg wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I didn't fall into the trap of Manny/Mayweather I.

..same here, never bought into this hype in the first place..

We both knew Mayweather would win a dull decision with no knockdowns, so what would be the point?

I love how people always say how Pacquiao is out of his prime when Floyd isn't in his either lol.

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Who cares if the fight may stink? It's a big fight to add to what should be a very solid boxing schedule in 2017. Boxing owes us coming off the worst Boxing year in my lifetime. Fights are starting to be announced and it looks very promising so why not add one more big fight to entertain us for a Saturday night?

There's not a single negative i can take out of a rematch with these two. Everything is a bonus to me. Plus, i think those two also owe us a better performance. They have earned another shot to make it right. There's no doubt about that.

dont you understand. floyds hands are broken from past fights, thats why he does not punch a lot. manny is totaly out of prime and his last fight was overall boring. so you want an out of prime boxer against a boxer with hurt hands who rarely punches?

and you say "who care if the fight may stink"

are u stupid? most everybody cares if a fight is boring or not. thats why ward had rareöy ppv fights with his buys. thats why klitschko had to go out of the usa, cause americans hated his broing style. so yes, it matters if a fight is boring or not. and mayweather pacquiao 2 would be as boring as any mayweather fight and so mayweather pacquiao 1 was.

Floyd retired because he's old, not because of his hand issues. Every boxer with a 30 + year career has issues with their hands. Floyd doesn't punch because he knows that he just has to finish the fight and he wins. He just wants to cash that check, not entertain. So don't make it a medical issue.

I loved the Manny/Vargas fight and I bought the fight. He knocked down and defeated a good young champion in his prime. So you're inability to asses a great accomplishment in the toughest profession in the world shows that you aren't ready for a solid discussion or worth my time.

i am one of the biggest boxing experts on earth. floyd always had until this day hand issues, even in fights were he rarely punched at all, like in the guerrero fight. and no, not every boxer has issues with a 30+ career.

and you, you cant answer a question. i asked you, you want a old past prime boxer against a boxer who rarely punches with hand problems? and you want to pay 100 for that sh(=t, again.

he knocked down a punching bag, a guy a litle bit better than rios. why should i give credit for an atg who beat a c level boxer? vargas had 0 business being in the irng with pac.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Who cares if the fight may stink? It's a big fight to add to what should be a very solid boxing schedule in 2017. Boxing owes us coming off the worst Boxing year in my lifetime. Fights are starting to be announced and it looks very promising so why not add one more big fight to entertain us for a Saturday night?

There's not a single negative i can take out of a rematch with these two. Everything is a bonus to me. Plus, i think those two also owe us a better performance. They have earned another shot to make it right. There's no doubt about that.

What makes it a big fight in your mind, other than the ridiculous sums of money the two of them will earn.

The first bout was awful, the second will be worse, Pacquaio has clearly lost more than a step or two, Mayweather is inactive, and approaching 40, has brittle hands, and has very low punch output.

No way in god's earth would I pay to watch it, I guess there's people who find 12 rounds of feinting and shoulder rolling entertaining.

Well, the only fights that either live up or exceed the hype are the ones that aren't hyped at all. The ones that come out of nowhere. It's why we can point to a hand full of big fights that have lived up to expectations (Hagler/Hearns is the first that comes to mind with me).

Floyd is too ignorant to admit but Manny is smart enough to know that the fight was a huge disaster. Manny thought that he could win close rounds on the cards like has his whole career with JMM. Some of those rounds, nothing happened. Why they were awarded to Floyd is beyond me...well, i know really but i won't get into that. My point is that Manny will not leave it to the cards and he will go out on his shield to take Floyd out of there. AND, i think Manny is good enough to alter Floyd's gameplay the second time around.

I think the second fight will be much better so that's why it's worth seeing.

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:

dont you understand. floyds hands are broken from past fights, thats why he does not punch a lot. manny is totaly out of prime and his last fight was overall boring. so you want an out of prime boxer against a boxer with hurt hands who rarely punches?

and you say "who care if the fight may stink"

are u stupid? most everybody cares if a fight is boring or not. thats why ward had rareöy ppv fights with his buys. thats why klitschko had to go out of the usa, cause americans hated his broing style. so yes, it matters if a fight is boring or not. and mayweather pacquiao 2 would be as boring as any mayweather fight and so mayweather pacquiao 1 was.

Floyd retired because he's old, not because of his hand issues. Every boxer with a 30 + year career has issues with their hands. Floyd doesn't punch because he knows that he just has to finish the fight and he wins. He just wants to cash that check, not entertain. So don't make it a medical issue.

I loved the Manny/Vargas fight and I bought the fight. He knocked down and defeated a good young champion in his prime. So you're inability to asses a great accomplishment in the toughest profession in the world shows that you aren't ready for a solid discussion or worth my time.

i am one of the biggest boxing experts on earth. floyd always had until this day hand issues, even in fights were he rarely punched at all, like in the guerrero fight. and no, not every boxer has issues with a 30+ career.

and you, you cant answer a question. i asked you, you want a old past prime boxer against a boxer who rarely punches with hand problems? and you want to pay 100 for that sh(=t, again.

he knocked down a punching bag, a guy a litle bit better than rios. why should i give credit for an atg who beat a c level boxer? vargas had 0 business being in the irng with pac.

That's probably THE BEST opening line i've ever seen on a post so i'm actually now your fan regardless of your hatred for Manny and the fact that you saw a 24/7 a few years ago where Floyd told the world that he had bad hands. But because of the opening line gold, i'm going to let you have it man. I submit. Mercy. You're hilarious.

But to answer your question that I missed the first time, the answer is YES. I have a hard time NOT buying a fight if it's on. The only one that i refused to buy was Moseley/Mayorga. And don't even say it would resemble those two fossils if Manny/Floyd danced again. It's about what could be...no one knows for sure that it couldn't be a dandy. To me, if there's even a small chance of it being epic then let's get it on and take my money.

Wonder if they do fight will floyd take a pay cut as he was moaning the other month that fighters get paid too much these days,even tho the fighters he is talking about probably didnt pick up a 5th of what he picks up per fight

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I'm all for Manny/Mayweather II.

Manny has looked sharp in his last two fights.
He will have to fight aggressively or he's done.

I don't think Manny puts up a losing effort twice.
But he still loses though ...

Manny looked ok in his last fight, but the opponent was tailor made for him, flat footed, wide stance, not much variety in his work, even then it was far from a stunning performance. Manny can't pull the trigger quickly often enough any more to really be that good offensively. His workrate plummeted after about the 4th-5th round.

The only hope for a decent fight would be if Mayweather's reflexes had gone, but Mayweather would know if they had, and would never take the fight.

Vargas was tailor made for Manny? Vargas is 5"s taller, has a 4" reach advantage and outweighed Manny by at least 15 pounds on fight night. Oh and there's a small factor of age as well 37 vs 27. I've been a Vargas fan and I think that this kid has a serious career ahead of him. He'll have at least 3 world titles in his career, that's my prediction. And probably the biggest factor is that Vargas is a prototypical counter puncher and that's how he's made his money. As you know, counterpunchers are Manny's Kryptonite proved by his many struggles with JMM.

So how is this opponent tailor made for Manny exactly? This might be your worst comment yet. Manny should get way more credit for the victory. Manny's got 9 knockdowns in his last 4 fights but "Manny can't pull the trigger quickly often enough any more". Do you see how ridiculous these comments are?

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Floyd retired because he's old, not because of his hand issues. Every boxer with a 30 + year career has issues with their hands. Floyd doesn't punch because he knows that he just has to finish the fight and he wins. He just wants to cash that check, not entertain. So don't make it a medical issue.

I loved the Manny/Vargas fight and I bought the fight. He knocked down and defeated a good young champion in his prime. So you're inability to asses a great accomplishment in the toughest profession in the world shows that you aren't ready for a solid discussion or worth my time.

i am one of the biggest boxing experts on earth. floyd always had until this day hand issues, even in fights were he rarely punched at all, like in the guerrero fight. and no, not every boxer has issues with a 30+ career.

and you, you cant answer a question. i asked you, you want a old past prime boxer against a boxer who rarely punches with hand problems? and you want to pay 100 for that sh(=t, again.

he knocked down a punching bag, a guy a litle bit better than rios. why should i give credit for an atg who beat a c level boxer? vargas had 0 business being in the irng with pac.

That's probably THE BEST opening line i've ever seen on a post so i'm actually now your fan regardless of your hatred for Manny and the fact that you saw a 24/7 a few years ago where Floyd told the world that he had bad hands. But because of the opening line gold, i'm going to let you have it man. I submit. Mercy. You're hilarious.

But to answer your question that I missed the first time, the answer is YES. I have a hard time NOT buying a fight if it's on. The only one that i refused to buy was Moseley/Mayorga. And don't even say it would resemble those two fossils if Manny/Floyd danced again. It's about what could be...no one knows for sure that it couldn't be a dandy. To me, if there's even a small chance of it being epic then let's get it on and take my money.

you know what. we actualy are on the same page. i think we want both the same. the best fights available and no one, me included cant deny that both pac and money are boxing elite. and you are correct. this could end up being a very interresting fight, if pac has all his energy together and chases floyd and floyd defends himself and pops pac, so yeah, it could end up a good fight. but i am so frustrated with the first one, that i just dont see a second fight with them being much more than the first one.

caldo2025 wrote:Vargas was tailor made for Manny? Vargas is 5"s taller, has a 4" reach advantage and outweighed Manny by at least 15 pounds on fight night. Oh and there's a small factor of age as well 37 vs 27. I've been a Vargas fan and I think that this kid has a serious career ahead of him. He'll have at least 3 world titles in his career, that's my prediction. And probably the biggest factor is that Vargas is a prototypical counter puncher and that's how he's made his money. As you know, counterpunchers are Manny's Kryptonite proved by his many struggles with JMM.

So how is this opponent tailor made for Manny exactly? This might be your worst comment yet. Manny should get way more credit for the victory. Manny's got 9 knockdowns in his last 4 fights but "Manny can't pull the trigger quickly often enough any more". Do you see how ridiculous these comments are?

Manny brought many casual fans to the sport.
The same people who picked Manny to beat SRR.

Part of their ignorance was the FACT that Manny was the Floyd killer.
When that fact became myth, Manny's whole mystique faded.

Because they never understood boxing to begin with,
they are blind to the fact that Manny is still an excellent fighter.

It's still likely that only person who beats him at 147 is Floyd.

Didn't buy the first one & I absolutely will not buy the second if they do it again, although I will watch it, just like I did in 2015.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Vargas was tailor made for Manny? Vargas is 5"s taller, has a 4" reach advantage and outweighed Manny by at least 15 pounds on fight night. Oh and there's a small factor of age as well 37 vs 27. I've been a Vargas fan and I think that this kid has a serious career ahead of him. He'll have at least 3 world titles in his career, that's my prediction. And probably the biggest factor is that Vargas is a prototypical counter puncher and that's how he's made his money. As you know, counterpunchers are Manny's Kryptonite proved by his many struggles with JMM.

So how is this opponent tailor made for Manny exactly? This might be your worst comment yet. Manny should get way more credit for the victory. Manny's got 9 knockdowns in his last 4 fights but "Manny can't pull the trigger quickly often enough any more". Do you see how ridiculous these comments are?

Manny brought many casual fans to the sport.
The same people who picked Manny to beat SRR.

Part of their ignorance was the FACT that Manny was the Floyd killer.
When that fact became myth, Manny's whole mystique faded.

Because they never understood boxing to begin with,
they are blind to the fact that Manny is still an excellent fighter.

It's still likely that only person who beats him at 147 is Floyd.

The only MYTH is this opinion that Floyd beat Manny so decisively or something. The fight was a joke and neither guy deserved a win that night. Manny was there to mix it up and every time he got in close and began to throw, Floyd would hold and all of sudden that's considered to be Floyd's amazing defense. It's against the rules and should have been enforced. Manny then had to put himself in harms way to initiate because it was one way the whole night. it's disgusting to me that Floyd gets so much credit that night.

caldo2025 wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Vargas was tailor made for Manny? Vargas is 5"s taller, has a 4" reach advantage and outweighed Manny by at least 15 pounds on fight night. Oh and there's a small factor of age as well 37 vs 27. I've been a Vargas fan and I think that this kid has a serious career ahead of him. He'll have at least 3 world titles in his career, that's my prediction. And probably the biggest factor is that Vargas is a prototypical counter puncher and that's how he's made his money. As you know, counterpunchers are Manny's Kryptonite proved by his many struggles with JMM.

So how is this opponent tailor made for Manny exactly? This might be your worst comment yet. Manny should get way more credit for the victory. Manny's got 9 knockdowns in his last 4 fights but "Manny can't pull the trigger quickly often enough any more". Do you see how ridiculous these comments are?

Manny brought many casual fans to the sport.
The same people who picked Manny to beat SRR.

Part of their ignorance was the FACT that Manny was the Floyd killer.
When that fact became myth, Manny's whole mystique faded.

Because they never understood boxing to begin with,
they are blind to the fact that Manny is still an excellent fighter.

It's still likely that only person who beats him at 147 is Floyd.

The only MYTH is this opinion that Floyd beat Manny so decisively or something. The fight was a joke and neither guy deserved a win that night. Manny was there to mix it up and every time he got in close and began to throw, Floyd would hold and all of sudden that's considered to be Floyd's amazing defense. It's against the rules and should have been enforced. Manny then had to put himself in harms way to initiate because it was one way the whole night. it's disgusting to me that Floyd gets so much credit that night.

thats exactly the main point. excessive holding etc is illegal and at some point
you should get point deduction or dq and as far as floyd is 45-3-1.

pacquiao draw (neither boxer did anything, floyd did nothing and pac didnt do to much either, most of the rds were 10:10 to me)
maidana 2 loss (i disqualified floyd, he did to much holding, at some point it was enough, I am no bough ref, i judge it how i see it)
maidana loss (close fight, but maidana forced the action, landed the bigger clearer shots and i had maidana winning)
castillo loss (obvious loss, castillo outlanded him, bruised him, simply won the first fight)

Jip wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Manny brought many casual fans to the sport.
The same people who picked Manny to beat SRR.

Part of their ignorance was the FACT that Manny was the Floyd killer.
When that fact became myth, Manny's whole mystique faded.

Because they never understood boxing to begin with,
they are blind to the fact that Manny is still an excellent fighter.

It's still likely that only person who beats him at 147 is Floyd.

The only MYTH is this opinion that Floyd beat Manny so decisively or something. The fight was a joke and neither guy deserved a win that night. Manny was there to mix it up and every time he got in close and began to throw, Floyd would hold and all of sudden that's considered to be Floyd's amazing defense. It's against the rules and should have been enforced. Manny then had to put himself in harms way to initiate because it was one way the whole night. it's disgusting to me that Floyd gets so much credit that night.

thats exactly the main point. excessive holding etc is illegal and at some point
you should get point deduction or dq and as far as floyd is 45-3-1.

pacquiao draw (neither boxer did anything, floyd did nothing and pac didnt do to much either, most of the rds were 10:10 to me)
maidana 2 loss (i disqualified floyd, he did to much holding, at some point it was enough, I am no bough ref, i judge it how i see it)
maidana loss (close fight, but maidana forced the action, landed the bigger clearer shots and i had maidana winning)
castillo loss (obvious loss, castillo outlanded him, bruised him, simply won the first fight)

All that Floyd had to do was finish these fights and he had the judge(s) bought and paid for already so he was going to get the decision. That's why he would do nothing in these fights for the first 6 rounds and then land some pot shots at the end of some of the later rounds to make it look good. It's a farce.

Manny get blamed for the fight being boring but he was the only one that came to fight.