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dammit, what an incredible time, so much quality. top.

ortiz
usyk
kovalev
degale
golovkin
lara
spence
crawford
verdejo
lomachenko
valdez
rigondeaux
yamanaka
inoue
ioka
lopez
moonsn

I can't comment on anything below super-fly as I have no knowledge.

Ortiz
Usyk
Winner of Kovalev Vs Ward
Winner of DeGale Vs Jack
Golovkin
Canelo, whether 154 is his natural weight or not, he's the best at that weight right now
Brook
Crawford
Linares, most proven
Lomachenko
Valdez
Rigondeaux
Yamanaka
Gonzalez

AJ (unproven)
Usyk
Winner of Kovalev Vs Ward
Jack
Golovkin
Canelo, I dislike him but he's the best super middleweight 154 pounder. F off Lara.
Spence (unproven)
Crawford

No idea about these others

Gonzalez

Joshua
Usyk
Ward/Kovalev winner
?
Golovkin
Alvarez
Spence
Crawford
?
?
Lomachenko

Jip wrote:dammit, what an incredible time, so much quality. top.

ortiz
usyk
kovalev
degale
golovkin
lara
spence
crawford
verdejo
lomachenko
valdez
rigondeaux
yamanaka
inoue
ioka
lopez
moonsn

Pretty sure a lot peoples opinion of Ortiz will change after yesterday's display.

No idea
Usyk
Kovalev
Degale
GGG
Andrade
Thurman
Crawford

Jip wrote:dammit, what an incredible time, so much quality. top.

ortiz
usyk
kovalev
degale
golovkin
lara
spence
crawford
verdejo
lomachenko
valdez
rigondeaux
yamanaka
inoue
ioka
lopez
moonsn

Fury (Joshua in his absence)
Usyk
Kovalev
DeGale
GGG
Andrade
Brook
Crawford
Linares
Lomachenko
Frampton
Rigo
McDonnell
Gonzalez

Not sure about the rest tbh. Perhaps slightly biased especially going with McDonnell after his awful performance last night but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Would love to see him and Yamanaka in together.

Stuarty30 wrote:

Jip wrote:dammit, what an incredible time, so much quality. top.

ortiz
usyk
kovalev
degale
golovkin
lara
spence
crawford
verdejo
lomachenko
valdez
rigondeaux
yamanaka
inoue
ioka
lopez
moonsn

Fury (Joshua in his absence)
Usyk
Kovalev
DeGale
GGG
Andrade
Brook
Crawford
Linares
Lomachenko
Frampton
Rigo
McDonnell
Gonzalez

Not sure about the rest tbh. Perhaps slightly biased especially going with McDonnell after his awful performance last night but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Would love to see him and Yamanaka in together.

Do you seriously think Brook is the best Welterweight on planet earth have you seen his Welterweight resume its not very inspiring that must be why he fought GGG because he's the best Welterweight in the World yep dodge Spence Jr sidestep Thurman and any other threat at Welterweight to fight against someone he knows he cannot possibly beat after the fractured cheekbone heals he'll be back to dodging Spence Jr.

Fury (In his absence, Wlad)
Usyk
Kovalev
Degale
Golovkin
Canelo
Brook
Crawford
Linares or Flanagan. Linares has the better resume but I think Flanagan would win if they faced.
Lomachenko
Frampton
Rigo
Yamanaka (was McDonnell but after his poor performance vs Solis I've relegated him)
Gonzalez
Ioka
Guevara
Moonsri

Fury
Usyk
Kovalev
Ramirez
GGG
Andrade
Spence
Crawford
Mikey
Lomachenko
LSC
Rigo
Yamanaka
Gonzalez

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

Jip wrote:dammit, what an incredible time, so much quality. top.

ortiz
usyk
kovalev
degale
golovkin
lara
spence
crawford
verdejo
lomachenko
valdez
rigondeaux
yamanaka
inoue
ioka
lopez
moonsn

Fury (Joshua in his absence)
Usyk
Kovalev
DeGale
GGG
Andrade
Brook
Crawford
Linares
Lomachenko
Frampton
Rigo
McDonnell
Gonzalez

Not sure about the rest tbh. Perhaps slightly biased especially going with McDonnell after his awful performance last night but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Would love to see him and Yamanaka in together.

Do you seriously think Brook is the best Welterweight on planet earth have you seen his Welterweight resume its not very inspiring that must be why he fought GGG because he's the best Welterweight in the World yep dodge Spence Jr sidestep Thurman and any other threat at Welterweight to fight against someone he knows he cannot possibly beat after the fractured cheekbone heals he'll be back to dodging Spence Jr.

Dodging Spence and Thurman but fought GGG? Aye very good mate! Spence and Thurman are both talented guys but so is Brook and before GGG I'd have fancied him against both. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt just now because it remains to be seen how the loss against GGG has affected him and obviously getting back down to 147 could be a struggle so the juries out. He's a very talented fighter though. You're going on as if Thurman and Spence are leagues above him!

Stuarty30 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
Fury (Joshua in his absence)
Usyk
Kovalev
DeGale
GGG
Andrade
Brook
Crawford
Linares
Lomachenko
Frampton
Rigo
McDonnell
Gonzalez

Not sure about the rest tbh. Perhaps slightly biased especially going with McDonnell after his awful performance last night but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Would love to see him and Yamanaka in together.

Do you seriously think Brook is the best Welterweight on planet earth have you seen his Welterweight resume its not very inspiring that must be why he fought GGG because he's the best Welterweight in the World yep dodge Spence Jr sidestep Thurman and any other threat at Welterweight to fight against someone he knows he cannot possibly beat after the fractured cheekbone heals he'll be back to dodging Spence Jr.

Dodging Spence and Thurman but fought GGG? Aye very good mate! Spence and Thurman are both talented guys but so is Brook and before GGG I'd have fancied him against both. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt just now because it remains to be seen how the loss against GGG has affected him and obviously getting back down to 147 could be a struggle so the juries out. He's a very talented fighter though. You're going on as if Thurman and Spence are leagues above him!

The GGG fight the result was written on jam tin's at the local tip before the fight don't tell me you backed Brook Against GGG it was a money grab fight knowing he can get another big payday by going back to welterweight and by the way a weight division in that he's world champ with the worst resume out of any of the 4 title holder's after he gets wipped by Spence Jr he can move up too Jr Middle and get another wipping with another good payday

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Do you seriously think Brook is the best Welterweight on planet earth have you seen his Welterweight resume its not very inspiring that must be why he fought GGG because he's the best Welterweight in the World yep dodge Spence Jr sidestep Thurman and any other threat at Welterweight to fight against someone he knows he cannot possibly beat after the fractured cheekbone heals he'll be back to dodging Spence Jr.

Dodging Spence and Thurman but fought GGG? Aye very good mate! Spence and Thurman are both talented guys but so is Brook and before GGG I'd have fancied him against both. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt just now because it remains to be seen how the loss against GGG has affected him and obviously getting back down to 147 could be a struggle so the juries out. He's a very talented fighter though. You're going on as if Thurman and Spence are leagues above him!

The GGG fight the result was written on jam tin's at the local tip before the fight don't tell me you backed Brook Against GGG it was a money grab fight knowing he can get another big payday by going back to welterweight and by the way a weight division in that he's world champ with the worst resume out of any of the 4 title holder's after he gets wipped by Spence Jr he can move up too Jr Middle and get another wipping with another good payday

I didn't think he'd beat GGG no. It was a step too far and anyone with half a brain knew that. You're saying he's running scared from Thurman and Spence but he fought the most feared guy out there and went up two weights to do it. That takes balls and deserves respect. Your point about him dodging them two guys is redundant. If he gets back to 147 comfortably they fights will happen. Perhaps he'll win perhaps he'll lose. I think he has the style to beat both but it remains to be seen what kind of effect the GGG fight has had on him.

You're obviously not a fan but there's no need to act like a complete bell end about it

Stuarty30 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
Dodging Spence and Thurman but fought GGG? Aye very good mate! Spence and Thurman are both talented guys but so is Brook and before GGG I'd have fancied him against both. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt just now because it remains to be seen how the loss against GGG has affected him and obviously getting back down to 147 could be a struggle so the juries out. He's a very talented fighter though. You're going on as if Thurman and Spence are leagues above him!

The GGG fight the result was written on jam tin's at the local tip before the fight don't tell me you backed Brook Against GGG it was a money grab fight knowing he can get another big payday by going back to welterweight and by the way a weight division in that he's world champ with the worst resume out of any of the 4 title holder's after he gets wipped by Spence Jr he can move up too Jr Middle and get another wipping with another good payday

I didn't think he'd beat GGG no. It was a step too far and anyone with half a brain knew that. You're saying he's running scared from Thurman and Spence but he fought the most feared guy out there and went up two weights to do it. That takes balls and deserves respect. Your point about him dodging them two guys is redundant. If he gets back to 147 comfortably they fights will happen. Perhaps he'll win perhaps he'll lose. I think he has the style to beat both but it remains to be seen what kind of effect the GGG fight has had on him.

You're obviously not a fan but there's no need to act like a complete bell end about it

I will say Brook is a warrior and he probably fears no Welterweight so I sorry to Kell and you for saying that and I would watch Kell Brook fight a Thurman/Spence Jr/Bradley those type of fighter's because they are competitive match ups the defence's he already made at welterweight leave a lot to be desired that's all I was trying to say I suppose i'm a fan and i'll pay to watch Brook fight but not against fighter's that are HUGE UNDERDOG'S like they have been facing since he won the belt i'm sick and tired of those type of fight's when you can almost always bet your ball's on who the winner will be that's boring.

Not in a p4p sense. Just who I'd favor over the rest.
1ST QUARTER 2017

200+ Wladimir Klitschko
200
175 Andre Ward/Sergey Kovalev WINNER
168 Andre Dirrell (What's wrong with me?)
160 Gennady Golovkin
154 Jermall Charlo/Julian Williams WINNER
147 Manny Pacquiao
140 Terrance Crawford
135 Mikey Garcia
130 Lomachenko/Walters WINNER
126 Gary Russell Jr.
122 Guillermo Rigondeaux
118
115 Naoya Inoue
112
108
105

Fury
Usyk
Kovalev
DeGale
Golovkin
Lara
Pacquiao
Crawford
Flanagan
Corrales
Frampton
Rigondeaux
Yamanaka
Inoue
Gonzalez
Lopez
Menayothin

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

The GGG fight the result was written on jam tin's at the local tip before the fight don't tell me you backed Brook Against GGG it was a money grab fight knowing he can get another big payday by going back to welterweight and by the way a weight division in that he's world champ with the worst resume out of any of the 4 title holder's after he gets wipped by Spence Jr he can move up too Jr Middle and get another wipping with another good payday

I didn't think he'd beat GGG no. It was a step too far and anyone with half a brain knew that. You're saying he's running scared from Thurman and Spence but he fought the most feared guy out there and went up two weights to do it. That takes balls and deserves respect. Your point about him dodging them two guys is redundant. If he gets back to 147 comfortably they fights will happen. Perhaps he'll win perhaps he'll lose. I think he has the style to beat both but it remains to be seen what kind of effect the GGG fight has had on him.

You're obviously not a fan but there's no need to act like a complete bell end about it

I will say Brook is a warrior and he probably fears no Welterweight so I sorry to Kell and you for saying that and I would watch Kell Brook fight a Thurman/Spence Jr/Bradley those type of fighter's because they are competitive match ups the defence's he already made at welterweight leave a lot to be desired that's all I was trying to say I suppose i'm a fan and i'll pay to watch Brook fight but not against fighter's that are HUGE UNDERDOG'S like they have been facing since he won the belt i'm sick and tired of those type of fight's when you can almost always bet your ball's on who the winner will be that's boring.

It depends if you are choosing who you like best in the division or who has proved to be the best in the division right now. If it is the latter then there is no logic to pick Spence over Brook or Spence over quite a few welterweights for that matter

Fury (if he comes back at or near 100%, or even ever comes back at all. Otherwise it is too hard to say right now. Maybe Wlad still)
Usyk (another level to Lebedev and the rest)
Kovalev (unless Ward beats him!)
DeGale (Better IMO than Jack, Ramirez or Dre Dirrell)
GGG (easy choice)
Lara (barely)
Thurman (Better than current day Pac. Spence is still developing. Brook's return to the weight is a too much a mystery. Thurman isn't all that good IMO but he is a kinda "Caretaker Best at 147" for now)
Crawford (easy choice)
Barthelemy (unless M Garcia looks good vs. Zlat)
Lomachenko (unless Walters beats him!)
Frampton (Russell would give him a hard fight but would be broken down by LSC IMO)
Rigondeaux (no one has done enough to surpass him)
Yamanaka (easy choice)
Inoue (looks much better at the weight than Gonzo did)
??? (post Gonzalez, post Estrada, I'm not sure. Casimero looks good but I haven'r watched any Ioka yet)
??? (no idea at all for this weight. Will have a look at some of the names mentioned here by and by)
Menayothin (looks much better than KO CPF to me)