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Looking at the fight, prior to the bout, many said Scott is quite technical.. Now it was a piss poor fight and shouldn't ended after the first knockdown, but we got a slow count, also it wouldn't have been a good end to the fight. Scott managed to take Ortiz 12 rounds, even though it was a lop sided decision in favour of Ortiz, but coming from this, we must have other so called 'technical' fighters who think they can do exactly what Scott did but hit back and eventually beat Ortiz on points. Not saying anyone will, but it's gotta give challengers a bit more confidence in fighting him.. I don't think he'll have a problem getting a decent opponent for December 10. The win never really hurt Ortiz, and Scott knew he had lost big time, but I don't think it was a European debut under Matchroom Sport that he wanted.

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His Dec opponent will be British guy(to promote him in UK), and Hearns will have no trouble to get any British boxer to fight at AJ undercart at Sky ppv event!!!

But another fight like this, and Hraen will send Ortiz back to Miami to work as taxi driver

According to boxrec (just checked), Ortiz is out of Dec 10 undercard and not scheduled to any other oncoming event.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Looking at the fight, prior to the bout, many said Scott is quite technical.. Now it was a piss poor fight and shouldn't ended after the first knockdown, but we got a slow count, also it wouldn't have been a good end to the fight. Scott managed to take Ortiz 12 rounds, even though it was a lop sided decision in favour of Ortiz, but coming from this, we must have other so called 'technical' fighters who think they can do exactly what Scott did but hit back and eventually beat Ortiz on points. Not saying anyone will, but it's gotta give challengers a bit more confidence in fighting him.. I don't think he'll have a problem getting a decent opponent for December 10. The win never really hurt Ortiz, and Scott knew he had lost big time, but I don't think it was a European debut under Matchroom Sport that he wanted.

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The extreme hype and lavish praise heaped on Luis Ortiz seemed a tad premature and over-the-top... and the weight of expectation may have been a heavy burden for him to bear.

So perhaps Ortiz's underwhelming performance has dampened the expectations of fight fans to more reasonable levels, which may benefit him in the long-term, as he'll no longer be obliged to try to deliver devastating performances that justifies his fearsome reputation. Instead, he can be more relaxed by simply focussing on beating the man standing in front of him by any means possible.

Although Malik Scott is a disgrace to the Philly fighters tradition, I wasn't impressed with Ortiz. He looked one dimensional and really old. The rumour has it that he's well in his 40s.

If he boxes like that, he doesn't beat any of the top 5 boxers at HW including Klitschko, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin and Haye.

I do respect any boxers that steps between the ropes, but Scott should have his purse withheld. Shockingly bad display.

It's hard to say if this has done him a favour or not. I can see how this performance will perhaps help attract more opposition, but if anything this performance has only damaged his reputation. People will pay just to see someone get steam rollered. That's why Joshua is so popular. I was really looking forward to seeing Ortiz turn Scott into mincemeat inside 3 rounds, but instead was treated to a 12 round borefest.

I felt sorry for Ortiz, but you gotta adapt to the circumstances. How many combos did Ortiz throw? He was throwing in ones after the first 2-3 rounds which was making life much easier for Scott. If they guy is not throwing back just attack in flurries. Scott threw an embarrassing 46 punches in 12 rounds. But Ortiz has got to think about a plan B.

Ortiz is good, but limited and he proved it last night. His talent is closer to a very old George Foreman (think post Holyfield fight) or an aging Sam Peter.

People are a little hard on Scott. He did what he could. Malik knows he doesn't have a great chin, and he knows if he threw 50 punches a round he would have been KOed Cold.

Scott tried some hard right hands that either missed or had no effect. Yes, it was boring, but to ridicule Scott who was vastly outgunned is pointless.

Loki wrote:Although Malik Scott is a disgrace to the Philly fighters tradition, I wasn't impressed with Ortiz. He looked one dimensional and really old. The rumour has it that he's well in his 40s.

If he boxes like that, he doesn't beat any of the top 5 boxers at HW including Klitschko, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin and Haye.

I do respect any boxers that steps between the ropes, but Scott should have his purse withheld. Shockingly bad display.

I don't agree with the purse being withheld at all. He didn't quit and he tried some pot shots. Scott did the best he could.

Tony1244 wrote:

Loki wrote:Although Malik Scott is a disgrace to the Philly fighters tradition, I wasn't impressed with Ortiz. He looked one dimensional and really old. The rumour has it that he's well in his 40s.

If he boxes like that, he doesn't beat any of the top 5 boxers at HW including Klitschko, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin and Haye.

I do respect any boxers that steps between the ropes, but Scott should have his purse withheld. Shockingly bad display.

I don't agree with the purse being withheld at all. He didn't quit and he tried some pot shots. Scott did the best he could.

He tried his very hardest to quit on multiple occasions. The ref even helped him up at one point!?

Killer Blow wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Loki wrote:Although Malik Scott is a disgrace to the Philly fighters tradition, I wasn't impressed with Ortiz. He looked one dimensional and really old. The rumour has it that he's well in his 40s.

If he boxes like that, he doesn't beat any of the top 5 boxers at HW including Klitschko, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin and Haye.

I do respect any boxers that steps between the ropes, but Scott should have his purse withheld. Shockingly bad display.

I don't agree with the purse being withheld at all. He didn't quit and he tried some pot shots. Scott did the best he could.

He tried his very hardest to quit on multiple occasions. The ref even helped him up at one point!?

Wasn't it 14 seconds the first knockdown? Tried to quit, but the referee wouldn't let him it seems. Scott even tried to use the referee to get up. The guy is an absolute clown.

Rob3_142 wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

I don't agree with the purse being withheld at all. He didn't quit and he tried some pot shots. Scott did the best he could.

He tried his very hardest to quit on multiple occasions. The ref even helped him up at one point!?

Wasn't it 14 seconds the first knockdown?

Yep, then the ref helps him to his feet. Unbelievable.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Looking at the fight, prior to the bout, many said Scott is quite technical.. Now it was a piss poor fight and shouldn't ended after the first knockdown, but we got a slow count, also it wouldn't have been a good end to the fight. Scott managed to take Ortiz 12 rounds, even though it was a lop sided decision in favour of Ortiz, but coming from this, we must have other so called 'technical' fighters who think they can do exactly what Scott did but hit back and eventually beat Ortiz on points. Not saying anyone will, but it's gotta give challengers a bit more confidence in fighting him.. I don't think he'll have a problem getting a decent opponent for December 10. The win never really hurt Ortiz, and Scott knew he had lost big time, but I don't think it was a European debut under Matchroom Sport that he wanted.

Opinions?

You mean you want someone to fight tactically?

Sorry buddy, regardless of your physical makeup and background,
the only way to fight is toe to toe.

Thanks Lampley and Merchant.

Killer Blow wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:
He tried his very hardest to quit on multiple occasions. The ref even helped him up at one point!?

Wasn't it 14 seconds the first knockdown?

Yep, then the ref helps him to his feet. Unbelievable.

The ref was the worst I've ever seen. Reminded me of those old rasslin skits where the ref was supposed to be bad. But frankly, I didn't care because I wanted to see more rounds. Wanted to see if Ortiz could KO him cold.

Tony1244 wrote:

Loki wrote:Although Malik Scott is a disgrace to the Philly fighters tradition, I wasn't impressed with Ortiz. He looked one dimensional and really old. The rumour has it that he's well in his 40s.

If he boxes like that, he doesn't beat any of the top 5 boxers at HW including Klitschko, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin and Haye.

I do respect any boxers that steps between the ropes, but Scott should have his purse withheld. Shockingly bad display.

I don't agree with the purse being withheld at all. He didn't quit and he tried some pot shots. Scott did the best he could.

I do respect all boxers who step in the ring. But, what's the point in fighting if you have no intention to win. Scott, after talking his way in the fight (with Eddie Hearn - who I do feel for), Malik had no intention of winning merely surviving. That is why his purse should be withheld.

Tony1244 wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Wasn't it 14 seconds the first knockdown?

Yep, then the ref helps him to his feet. Unbelievable.

The ref was the worst I've ever seen. Reminded me of those old rasslin skits where the ref was supposed to be bad. But frankly, I didn't care because I wanted to see more rounds. Wanted to see if Ortiz could KO him cold.

Ive seen worse - I actually think the ref did pretty well considering Malik was running into him the whole time and tried to make Scott fight. Whether that's his remit is another matter....

The only way he may have done him a favor is some other big name fighters might not be as reluctant to fight him now, but it lowered his stock considerably, and it lowered any interest people would have in seeing him considerably.

Eddie Hearn told iFL TV that Luis Ortiz gave a poor performance against Malik Scott. He says he should have "cut Scott off, beat him up and get him out of there. He didn't do that..."

He says he doesn't know if the pressure got to Luis Ortiz, the attention, he's headlining on HBO... but the Cuban needed to do better.

..a lot of these top ranked guys are largely untested, them losing/winning, showing poor performance fighting against each other is no big surprise..

The big Cuban puncher needs you to fight with him to be seen at his best.. Simple. Massive counter puncher that he is Ortiz didn't receive a shot for maybe 8 rounds, by then I think he'd lost all interest in the fight and thought it was an embarrassment all together, put him in with any fighter that comes to fight and you'll all be singing his praises trust me! I've never seen a more ban worthy performance by any fighter than Malik Scott. That was disgusting, cowardly and just bad bad news for the sport, non combative performances should get a life time ban, or locked up for robbing money, how he could get paid for that is beyond me! That was worse than Charles Martin, and even oliver McCall's crying refusal to fight. My opinion of Ortiz hasn't lowered at all, I think he will come good in a big way and be in a couple awesome fights!

What else could Scott have really done? With his lack of durability I think taking Ortiz the distance was pretty much the best case for him, and in doing so he highlighted some of Ortiz's shortcoming and exceeded most expectations.

crusader wrote:What else could Scott have really done? With his lack of durability I think taking Ortiz the distance was pretty much the best case for him, and in doing so he highlighted some of Ortiz's shortcoming and exceeded most expectations.

If he engaged much more he probably just would've been stopped sooner without having notable success.

Do you think Scott got the fight by saying " I'm just gonna get in there and run run run" " im gonna fill my pants from the first bell" " I want a ridiculous pay check to run around a ring, not throw a shot, fall down 4 or 5 times to try and get out of there and get helped to my feet by the ref" " will that do Eddie will that get me paid"!! What are you talking about mate?? Your paid to fight, you gotta effing fight! Scott should be shot when he gets back to Philly, for embarrassing the whole state!

crusader wrote:What else could Scott have really done? With his lack of durability I think taking Ortiz the distance was pretty much the best case for him, and in doing so he highlighted some of Ortiz's shortcoming and exceeded most expectations.

I would've preferred it if he'd just laid down and cashed his check like he did against Wilder.

In the know 85 wrote:

crusader wrote:What else could Scott have really done? With his lack of durability I think taking Ortiz the distance was pretty much the best case for him, and in doing so he highlighted some of Ortiz's shortcoming and exceeded most expectations.

If he engaged much more he probably just would've been stopped sooner without having notable success.

Do you think Scott got the fight by saying " I'm just gonna get in there and run run run" " im gonna fill my pants from the first bell" " I want a ridiculous pay check to run around a ring, not throw a shot, fall down 4 or 5 times to try and get out of there and get helped to my feet by the ref" " will that do Eddie will that get me paid"!! What are you talking about mate?? Your paid to fight, you gotta effing fight! Scott should be shot when he gets back to Philly, for embarrassing the whole state!

I think Scott's gameplan was the best one for him considering his shortcomings. I don't believe that he had a realistic chance of beating Ortiz, so taking him the distance and highlighting some of the Cuban's weaknesses amounts to the best feasible outcome for him in my opinion.

If people have seen Scott before, they should have easily predicted that he'd be highly negative.

Hopefully we'll never see Scott again