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BWH Rankings as of 22 October 2016:

Champion in Recess: Tyson Fury
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Kubrat Pulev
6. Joseph Parker
7. Anthony Joshua
8. Bryant Jennings
9. Carlos Takam
10. Vyacheslav Glazkov
11. Lucas Browne
12. Bermane Stiverne
13. Artur Szpilka
14. Dereck Chisora
15. Malik Scott

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Luis Ortiz's UD12 win over Malik Scott?

My vote: Ortiz remains at #4, Scott OUT.

Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Ortiz and Scott. Posting your own top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner that I have done above.

Ortiz remains at #4, Scott OUT

Same as you

Nothing there to elevate Ortiz and Scott was borderline top 15 anyway.

If Ortiz does move it wouldn't be up but it would probably be harsh to drop him down, he did what he had to do

Ortiz remains at #4,
Scott OUT

Ortiz remains at #4,
Scott OUT

Little argument against anything else. Argument that Scott should have been OUT earlier, and perhaps a demonstration that Ortiz is not as indestructible as once thought.

Ortiz to 5
Scott OUT

Scott out. Ortiz no change.

Luis Ortiz - Remains at No. 4
Malik Scott - Remains at No. 15

Ortiz to 3 (his record is better then Wilder's)
Scott OUT (man is a disgrace)

To remove Scott do we not have to establish whether there is anyone worthy to take his place?

Yes, he was boring and yes, he lost but he may still be the 15th best heavyweight in the world at the moment.

Ortiz stays at 4

Scott OUT and replaced by Duhaupas

the_doctor wrote:To remove Scott do we not have to establish whether there is anyone worthy to take his place?

Yes, he was boring and yes, he lost but he may still be the 15th best heavyweight in the world at the moment.

Any recommendations? Does Christian Hammer's win over the previously unbeaten Teper raise him above Scott?

How about Molina's KO win over Adamek? Duhaupas KO win over the formally unbeaten Helenius?

How about Haye? Although I 100% agree that so far since his return he's only fought tosh, I think most would agree that he brings a lot more to the table than Scott.

Ortiz-no change
Scott-out

Luis Ortiz remains at #4, Malik Scott out.

Haye Did beat bouncers but they were both inside top 15 of major bodies ratings

How there were I have no idea and thinks it's a disgrace but he still beat two rated fighters so haye in at 15

Rob3_142 wrote:

the_doctor wrote:To remove Scott do we not have to establish whether there is anyone worthy to take his place?

Yes, he was boring and yes, he lost but he may still be the 15th best heavyweight in the world at the moment.

Any recommendations? Does Christian Hammer's win over the previously unbeaten Teper raise him above Scott?

How about Molina's KO win over Adamek? Duhaupas KO win over the formally unbeaten Helenius?

How about Haye? Although I 100% agree that so far since his return he's only fought tosh, I think most would agree that he brings a lot more to the table than Scott.

Absolutely no way should Haye be considered. He shouldn't be allowed to use his reputation as leverage to create an illusion that he's a top contender when he hasn't fought a top 50 opponent in four and a half years.

ABC rankings aren't that relevant to these ones IMO. I think these rankings have most of their value in the fact that we can look past the ABC nonsense.

de Mori and Gjerhaejkdjawj aren't close to being among the best or most proven 15 HWs in the world, although I do think there's a good chance Haye is still among the best despite his recent lack of good wins.

Killer Blow wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

the_doctor wrote:To remove Scott do we not have to establish whether there is anyone worthy to take his place?

Yes, he was boring and yes, he lost but he may still be the 15th best heavyweight in the world at the moment.

Any recommendations? Does Christian Hammer's win over the previously unbeaten Teper raise him above Scott?

How about Molina's KO win over Adamek? Duhaupas KO win over the formally unbeaten Helenius?

How about Haye? Although I 100% agree that so far since his return he's only fought tosh, I think most would agree that he brings a lot more to the table than Scott.

Absolutely no way should Haye be considered. He shouldn't be allowed to use his reputation as leverage to create an illusion that he's a top contender when he hasn't fought a top 50 opponent in four and a half years.

No, I completely agree. Absolutely no doubt about it. I'm just so underwhelmed by Scott's performance. I think Haye has the tools to be top 5, but unfortunately has shown nothing to deserve being so.

Scott was supposed to be out already because of inactivity, but appearantly that rule only gets applied when you like it to be. Either way, Ortiz rank 8. Not because he should be that low, but I still rank him below Anthony Joshua.

Rob3_142 wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Any recommendations? Does Christian Hammer's win over the previously unbeaten Teper raise him above Scott?

How about Molina's KO win over Adamek? Duhaupas KO win over the formally unbeaten Helenius?

How about Haye? Although I 100% agree that so far since his return he's only fought tosh, I think most would agree that he brings a lot more to the table than Scott.

Absolutely no way should Haye be considered. He shouldn't be allowed to use his reputation as leverage to create an illusion that he's a top contender when he hasn't fought a top 50 opponent in four and a half years.

No, I completely agree. Absolutely no doubt about it. I'm just so underwhelmed by Scott's performance. I think Haye has the tools to be top 5, but unfortunately has shown nothing to deserve being so.

Jun Long Zhang shows more impressive numbers actually. TBH I consider him to be rank 15.

asdfjkl wrote:Scott was supposed to be out already because of inactivity, but appearantly that rule only gets applied when you like it to be. Either way, Ortiz rank 8. Not because he should be that low, but I still rank him below Anthony Joshua.

Please go play in high traffic

Tarkus wrote:Ortiz to 3 (his record is better then Wilder's)
Scott OUT (man is a disgrace)

Ortiz record is no better than Wilders.
Jennings is over rated and Thompson was 127 yrs old when they fought

Ortiz unchanged
Scott drops out

asdfjkl wrote:Scott was supposed to be out already because of inactivity, but appearantly that rule only gets applied when you like it to be. Either way, Ortiz rank 8. Not because he should be that low, but I still rank him below Anthony Joshua.

Scott was inactive for a year, so his vote was up for vote, but with the fight with Ortiz scheduled so soon afterwards, it was better to wait for that result. I used to create an inactivity topic any time a fighter had been inactive for a year, but in every case where the fighter had a scheduled fight, people voted to leave the rankings as they were until the fight. Realising it was a waste of time, I now only make inactivity topics where the fighter has been inactive for a year and has no scheduled fight within the following 6 months.

the_doctor wrote:To remove Scott do we not have to establish whether there is anyone worthy to take his place?

Yes, he was boring and yes, he lost but he may still be the 15th best heavyweight in the world at the moment.

No, if Scott is removed, the #15 spot will be vacant and we will have a separate topics to determine who is most worthy to fill the spot.

tiny_acres wrote:

Tarkus wrote:Ortiz to 3 (his record is better then Wilder's)
Scott OUT (man is a disgrace)

Ortiz record is no better than Wilders.
Jennings is over rated and Thompson was 127 yrs old when they fought

I have Wilder ahead of Ortiz due to the greater depth of his resume, but has he beaten anyone better than Jennings?

crusader wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Tarkus wrote:Ortiz to 3 (his record is better then Wilder's)
Scott OUT (man is a disgrace)

Ortiz record is no better than Wilders.
Jennings is over rated and Thompson was 127 yrs old when they fought

I have Wilder ahead of Ortiz due to the greater depth of his resume, but has he beaten anyone better than Jennings?

I'd argue that Stiverne is was about as good as Jennings.
But depth of schedule Wilder gets him there

I think Ortiz is nearly as over rated as joshua