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Aj! Canelo! Take your pick!

There all protected untill the big paydays come but Wilder without a doubt.

In the know 85 wrote:Aj! Canelo! Take your pick!

Alvarez is really not that protected, at least not in a matchmaking sense. He's fought Cotto, Kirkland, Lara, Angulo, Mayweather, and Trout. That is not exactly protection. They may have kept him safe and sound in 2016, but prior to that, it was trial by fire virtually every fight for quite a while. I can think of a lot of fighters who have never even fought 1 opponent as good as Mayweather or Lara.

Lackeos wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:Aj! Canelo! Take your pick!

Alvarez is really not that protected, at least not in a matchmaking sense. He's fought Cotto, Kirkland, Lara, Angulo, Mayweather, and Trout. That is not exactly protection. They may have kept him safe and sound in 2016, but prior to that, it was trial by fire virtually every fight for quite a while. I can think of a lot of fighters who have never even fought 1 opponent as good as Mayweather or Lara.

True, also he wanted the Lara fight against Richard Schaefers wishes

AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

Lackeos wrote: I can think of a lot of fighters who have never even fought 1 opponent as good as Mayweather or Lara.

Aye, basically everyone for the last 15 years who hasn't faced Floyd, to be fair

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

You make a valid point, AJ's level of opposition has been appauling.

But for christ sake man, don't use Deontays record as a means of comparison, it's hardly a shining example of taking on the very best of the best

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

I think I'd agree if I didn't feel as though they were trying to make the Klitchko fight. By definition, protection is trying to keep him away from those kind of guys. Not sure Hearn is THAT protective of his fighters. I mean look at Brook v GGG.

I'd vote for Wilder at the moment. The Povetkin fiasco probably plays into the protection category. Considering there wasn't any legitimate reason the fight didn't happen...

davie wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

You make a valid point, AJ's level of opposition has been appauling.

But for christ sake man, don't use Deontays record as a means of comparison, it's hardly a shining example of taking on the very best of the best

I was just using Wilder to justify me mentioning Joshua ahead of him. Both are overprotected and cherry pickers but of the two, at least Wilder does have a handful of decent wins in Stiverne and Duhaupas. Worrying though that with his fight record, those are his two best victories.

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

Joshua had 17 fights and just wanted to fight Pulev and Klitschko who pulled out. Wilder had 37 fights and still cherry picks no hopers. And Duhaupas is an unskilled trash no better then last three of Joshuas opponents. Comparing these two in terms of protection is ridiculous.

Tarkus wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

Joshua had 17 fights and just wanted to fight Pulev and Klitschko who pulled out. Wilder had 37 fights and still cherry picks no hopers. And Duhaupas is an unskilled trash no better then last three of Joshuas opponents. Comparing these two in terms of protection is ridiculous.

Duhaupas would beat Brezeale, Martin and Whyte.

Joshua has to be up there, is yet to take any real risk.

Tarkus wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

Joshua had 17 fights and just wanted to fight Pulev and Klitschko who pulled out. Wilder had 37 fights and still cherry picks no hopers. And Duhaupas is an unskilled trash no better then last three of Joshuas opponents. Comparing these two in terms of protection is ridiculous.

yeah sure, he really wants all the toughest fights but just has to fight Molina and Breazeale.

Tarkus wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

Joshua had 17 fights and just wanted to fight Pulev and Klitschko who pulled out. Wilder had 37 fights and still cherry picks no hopers. And Duhaupas is an unskilled trash no better then last three of Joshuas opponents. Comparing these two in terms of protection is ridiculous.

This.

Completely unfair to be this critical of a fighter still less than 20 fighters in.

BitPlayer wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

Joshua had 17 fights and just wanted to fight Pulev and Klitschko who pulled out. Wilder had 37 fights and still cherry picks no hopers. And Duhaupas is an unskilled trash no better then last three of Joshuas opponents. Comparing these two in terms of protection is ridiculous.

yeah sure, he really wants all the toughest fights but just has to fight Molina and Breazeale.

So in your opinion, why is Joshua not fighting Klitchko on December 10?

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Tarkus wrote: Joshua had 17 fights and just wanted to fight Pulev and Klitschko who pulled out. Wilder had 37 fights and still cherry picks no hopers. And Duhaupas is an unskilled trash no better then last three of Joshuas opponents. Comparing these two in terms of protection is ridiculous.

yeah sure, he really wants all the toughest fights but just has to fight Molina and Breazeale.

So in your opinion, why is Joshua not fighting Klitchko on December 10?

So Molina is the best they can get? Wilder got a hard time for fighting Chris Arreola, now Joshua is fighting someone Arreola beat in a round. Chisora would've been better, Hughie Fury would've been better, Haye would've been better, Duhaupas would've been better, Takam would've been better. Pulev would actualy have been a credible defense.

Danny G has been, guided through washed up soft hitters after they had to steal a decision from Herrera and Peterson because he couldn't really beat them. Hoping to see him twitching on the canvas soon, to avoid more thievery.

BitPlayer wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: yeah sure, he really wants all the toughest fights but just has to fight Molina and Breazeale.

So in your opinion, why is Joshua not fighting Klitchko on December 10?

So Molina is the best they can get? Wilder got a hard time for fighting Chris Arreola, now Joshua is fighting someone Arreola beat in a round. Chisora would've been better, Hughie Fury would've been better, Haye would've been better, Duhaupas would've been better, Takam would've been better. Pulev would actualy have been a credible defense.

Wow, you are hard to please.

Right, seeming that you completely ignored my question anyway;

Chisora has been offered the fight several times, rejected. Hughie Fury was offered several times, rejected. Duhaupas and Takam are already set to fight each other in a WBC mandatory. Pulev was offered the fight several times, rejected.

I mean what is wrong with you? You must surely already know these guys are unavailable? What is Joshua supposed to do? Do you see anyone in the IBF top 15 calling Joshua out? No I didn't think so.

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
So in your opinion, why is Joshua not fighting Klitchko on December 10?

So Molina is the best they can get? Wilder got a hard time for fighting Chris Arreola, now Joshua is fighting someone Arreola beat in a round. Chisora would've been better, Hughie Fury would've been better, Haye would've been better, Duhaupas would've been better, Takam would've been better. Pulev would actualy have been a credible defense.

Wow, you are hard to please.

Right, seeming that you completely ignored my question anyway;

Chisora has been offered the fight several times, rejected. Hughie Fury was offered several times, rejected. Duhaupas and Takam are already set to fight each other in a WBC mandatory. Pulev was offered the fight several times, rejected.

I mean what is wrong with you? You must surely already know these guys are unavailable? What is Joshua supposed to do? Do you see anyone in the IBF top 15 calling Joshua out? No I didn't think so.

There is truth here but I refuse to believe that none of the others in the IBF top 15 that haven't been mentioned didn't want to fight. Why would they hide from what is known as the biggest payday in boxing? Eddie obviously isn't offering as much money as he should.

Killer Blow wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: So Molina is the best they can get? Wilder got a hard time for fighting Chris Arreola, now Joshua is fighting someone Arreola beat in a round. Chisora would've been better, Hughie Fury would've been better, Haye would've been better, Duhaupas would've been better, Takam would've been better. Pulev would actualy have been a credible defense.

Wow, you are hard to please.

Right, seeming that you completely ignored my question anyway;

Chisora has been offered the fight several times, rejected. Hughie Fury was offered several times, rejected. Duhaupas and Takam are already set to fight each other in a WBC mandatory. Pulev was offered the fight several times, rejected.

I mean what is wrong with you? You must surely already know these guys are unavailable? What is Joshua supposed to do? Do you see anyone in the IBF top 15 calling Joshua out? No I didn't think so.

There is truth here but I refuse to believe that none of the others in the IBF top 15 that haven't been mentioned didn't want to fight. Why would they hide from what is known as the biggest payday in boxing? Eddie obviously isn't offering as much money as he should.

He may well not offer millions, but you know he's offering a competitive payday. The problem is there is too much risk to reward. Hearn offered both Pulev and Chisora more money than they earned to fight each other, but they probably knew there chances of winning that fight were much slimmer. Take a heavy defeat and it's two steps backward.

People complain that Hughie was only offered 200k to fight Joshua, but seriously where else is he going to get an offer like that right now? If they think they win comfortable, then it's a no brainer. If they don't think they can win, why take the fight?

Some guy we've never heard of is probably the most protected fighter.

As far as guys we HAVE heard of go it's Deontay Wilder no doubt. I'm hearing he's talking about fighting Hughie Fury next which would be his 5th title defense I believe against a guy not ranked in the Top 10. Hughie's not even in my Top 20.

Wilder is a joke.

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

The difference is that AJ beats most of his opponends so clearly that it's obvious he can handle the top, while Wilder get in trouble every time he fights someone in the top 50, despite cherrypicking.
I'd like to see Whyte vs Duhaupas btw.

tigermoth87 wrote:AJ

Wilder's wins over Stiverne and Duhaupas are better than anyone on Joshua's resume.

AJ hasn't been Boxing nearly as long as is already at least AS accomplished as Wilder. Wilder has had a longer Pro career by 4 years and 20 fights, and is still in the same boat as AJ. Really having proved nothing.

Deontay was still 13 or 14 fights away from taking the challenges AJ already has taken at that stage of his career. If AJ is still fighting the Molina's of the world this time next year he's worthy of being sh*t on hard.

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
So in your opinion, why is Joshua not fighting Klitchko on December 10?

So Molina is the best they can get? Wilder got a hard time for fighting Chris Arreola, now Joshua is fighting someone Arreola beat in a round. Chisora would've been better, Hughie Fury would've been better, Haye would've been better, Duhaupas would've been better, Takam would've been better. Pulev would actualy have been a credible defense.

Wow, you are hard to please.

Right, seeming that you completely ignored my question anyway;

Chisora has been offered the fight several times, rejected. Hughie Fury was offered several times, rejected. Duhaupas and Takam are already set to fight each other in a WBC mandatory. Pulev was offered the fight several times, rejected.

I mean what is wrong with you? You must surely already know these guys are unavailable? What is Joshua supposed to do? Do you see anyone in the IBF top 15 calling Joshua out? No I didn't think so.

H.Fury and Chisora rejected it because they were offered peanuts, and I'm pretty sure they'd rather have a title shot than an eliminator.

If no one is taking the fight clearly he isn't offering enough, H.Fury was meant to have only been offered 200k.