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kovalev won the fight. his power is elite. but his condition is not so great, he is stiff and his mind is not so great and his logical understanding of when to push and go for the kill. he was doing not much and waisting important time in which he could land and hurt ward had he gone ALL OUT.

ward is a very good boxer, but wont never be elite. 35 % of his gameplan is illegal, rabbit punching, holding, wrestling, grabing. he is just lucky that he got usa refs who let things slide. instead of inforcing the rules of boxing and deducting him points.

rigondeaux, 10 times more athletic than them, faster than them, more techniqule than them, just better.

Rigondeaux doesn't fight enough to be P4P #1. I don't have him Top 4.

Umm. Yes. Yes they are.

gilgamesh wrote:Rigondeaux doesn't fight enough to be P4P #1. I don't have him Top 4.

not his fault, that frampton, leo, everybody is running away from him, just not to get beaten.

speed
athletiscm
footwork
balance
defence
offence

in every single departmant, rigo is better than ward and kovalev (except kov is a more powerful puncher)

He hasn't proven that to me with his career so far, but if you're convinced he's that good you're entitled to it.

gilgamesh wrote:He hasn't proven that to me with his career so far, but if you're convinced he's that good you're entitled to it.

yeah kov and ward beat better men, but in terms of boxing ability, skills they inferior to rigo.
tell me, who is faster, more athletic, more techniquly sound, who has the better footwork. rigo, ward or kovalev.

For me they are #1 and #2 now - that was a brilliant fight. In a p4p sense I think GGG is better than both of them, but he's well behind them on resume now, as is everyone else. For me both fighters stock is raised from that fight.

I was wondering where Cheepaaaa had disappeared to

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He hasn't proven that to me with his career so far, but if you're convinced he's that good you're entitled to it.

yeah kov and ward beat better men, but in terms of boxing ability, skills they inferior to rigo.
tell me, who is faster, more athletic, more techniquly sound, who has the better footwork. rigo, ward or kovalev.

Well obviously the guy that's 50 pounds lighter than either of those 2 is faster. I think Kovalev and Ward are equally technically sound to Rigo just with a different approach than him. I'd give it to you that Rigo has better footwork.

But you gotta have the wins to back a P4P #1 ranking and he just doesn't have enough meaningful ones. His biggest win is still Donaire from a few years ago, and it doesn't look like another defining win is coming his way anytime soon.

gilgamesh wrote:

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:He hasn't proven that to me with his career so far, but if you're convinced he's that good you're entitled to it.

yeah kov and ward beat better men, but in terms of boxing ability, skills they inferior to rigo.
tell me, who is faster, more athletic, more techniquly sound, who has the better footwork. rigo, ward or kovalev.

Well obviously the guy that's 50 pounds lighter than either of those 2 is faster. I think Kovalev and Ward are equally technically sound to Rigo just with a different approach than him. I'd give it to you that Rigo has better footwork.

But you gotta have the wins to back a P4P #1 ranking and he just doesn't have enough meaningful ones. His biggest win is still Donaire from a few years ago, and it doesn't look like another defining win is coming his way anytime soon.

Who would you have as NO1?

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Jip wrote:
yeah kov and ward beat better men, but in terms of boxing ability, skills they inferior to rigo.
tell me, who is faster, more athletic, more techniquly sound, who has the better footwork. rigo, ward or kovalev.

Well obviously the guy that's 50 pounds lighter than either of those 2 is faster. I think Kovalev and Ward are equally technically sound to Rigo just with a different approach than him. I'd give it to you that Rigo has better footwork.

But you gotta have the wins to back a P4P #1 ranking and he just doesn't have enough meaningful ones. His biggest win is still Donaire from a few years ago, and it doesn't look like another defining win is coming his way anytime soon.

Who would you have as NO1?

Roman Gonzalez

Fair shout.

All the more reason to have Gonzalez-Rigondeaux. That fight would be, arguably, the biggest fight of all time below the welters.

jbizzle20 wrote:All the more reason to have Gonzalez-Rigondeaux. That fight would be, arguably, the biggest fight of all time below the welters.

...yeah...all the more the reason a guy who is TINY at 115 should move to 122 *roles eyes*

The elite prove they're elite...by facing other elite. It's simple really. Ward and Kovalev have each other to test themselves against. That's why they're #1 and 2. That's how it works. You're only as great as the man across from you. I leave this fight with the exact same opinion of these 2 fighters from when it began. Neither one lost an ounce of my utmost respect of their abilities.

No way that pathetic hugger is p4p #1. If that is the best boxing has, it is so screwed !

If Lomachenko stops Walters next week he could have a legit claim.

GGG for me at the minute.

GGG has crushed cans and a blown up welterweight. You shouldn't be P4P no1 based off of that.

lefty wrote:GGG has crushed cans and a blown up welterweight. You shouldn't be P4P no1 based off of that.

GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

diddy wrote:The elite prove they're elite...by facing other elite. It's simple really. Ward and Kovalev have each other to test themselves against. That's why they're #1 and 2. That's how it works. You're only as great as the man across from you. I leave this fight with the exact same opinion of these 2 fighters from when it began. Neither one lost an ounce of my utmost respect of their abilities.

I agree 100%.

Essentially, we saw what Pac v FMJ could have been if they wiuld have fought 6 years ago. Both Ward and Krusher deserve to have every single boxing enthusiast bowing to them

They are number 1 and 2, just as Pac and FMJ were back when they should have mustered up the ballmeat to fight like Ward and Krusher just did.

boxing_rocks wrote:

lefty wrote:GGG has crushed cans and a blown up welterweight. You shouldn't be P4P no1 based off of that.

GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

Talk is cheap.

boxing_rocks wrote:

lefty wrote:GGG has crushed cans and a blown up welterweight. You shouldn't be P4P no1 based off of that.

GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

3G had his opportunity at 168 and he passed on it, so the current P4P king went north and showed him what real ballz are.

Siddown and stfu with the 3G woulda, coulda bullsh!t. He shoulda fought Ward at 168. He chose to keep being a man among boyz.

lefty wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

lefty wrote:GGG has crushed cans and a blown up welterweight. You shouldn't be P4P no1 based off of that.

GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

Talk is cheap.

Robberies are even cheaper.

USA has Crawford, Spence, Thurman. That pathetic hugger Ward is not even the best American.

Ward
Krusher
3G
Chocolatito
Hitman Jr.

boxing_rocks wrote:

lefty wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

Talk is cheap.

Robberies are even cheaper.

USA has Crawford, Spence, Thurman. That pathetic hugger Ward is not even the best American.

You are such an oblivious little b!tch.