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Honestly, I can not.........After Kovalev-Ward I simply can not imagine that. So, I wouldn't like to see this match happen. Nothing against Canelo, he is brave and devoted sportsman, but ODLH has judges in his pocket. I've been watching boxing since 1970, and I'm so sad because of growing corruption.

The Kovalev-Ward bout was scored correctly and so will GGG-Canelo.

Enlightened-One wrote:The Kovalev-Ward bout was scored correctly and so will GGG-Canelo.

I don't want to be misunderstood, I don't think Ward's win is robbery, it was close (I have 5 rounds for Kovalev, 4 for Ward with 3 even, but think that Kovalev would win on neutral place, with neutral judges)...........Considering Canelo's victory over Lara very questionable, and his connection with ODLH, I am sure that he would be favoured by judges........And there is no way to be convinced the opposite.......

Enlightened-One wrote:The Kovalev-Ward bout was scored correctly and so will GGG-Canelo.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but I worry greatly about the second half. You have to be blind to not recognise that Canelo has received special treatment from judges on multiple occasions. Hopefully I'm right and GGG will stop him, so the judges won't be needed.

jezzamundo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:The Kovalev-Ward bout was scored correctly and so will GGG-Canelo.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but I worry greatly about the second half. You have to be blind to not recognise that Canelo has received special treatment from judges on multiple occasions. Hopefully I'm right and GGG will stop him, so the judges won't be needed.

I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

Enlightened-One wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:The Kovalev-Ward bout was scored correctly and so will GGG-Canelo.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but I worry greatly about the second half. You have to be blind to not recognise that Canelo has received special treatment from judges on multiple occasions. Hopefully I'm right and GGG will stop him, so the judges won't be needed.

I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

Let me remind you of Mayweather-Canelo fight. One judge scored it draw (against Mayweather, one of the greatest American champions). If Canalo's father was on the judge's place, he wouldn't score it even. Am I right ? What should we expect against GGG, Kazakhstan's fighter ?

Canelo would not see the final round anyway.

Enlightened-One wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:The Kovalev-Ward bout was scored correctly and so will GGG-Canelo.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but I worry greatly about the second half. You have to be blind to not recognise that Canelo has received special treatment from judges on multiple occasions. Hopefully I'm right and GGG will stop him, so the judges won't be needed.

I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

All of the Trout scorecards were generous to Canelo, the 117-110 scorecard in particular. I had it 114-113 to Canelo, but could see it close to Trout.

The Lara fight was close and could have gone either way. I had it a draw. The 117-111 scorecard is very generous to Canelo.

Cotto-Canelo was a close, competitive fight that all three judges had wide to Canelo, one of whom had it a ridiculous 119-109.

Two of the three judges in the Khan fight had Canelo ahead prior to the stoppage, while most observers agree that Khan won 3 or 4 of the 5 completed rounds.

All that said, Canelo has never been involved in a robbery - he's just gotten the benefit of the doubt time and time again.

ValMar wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
I agree with the first part of your statement, but I worry greatly about the second half. You have to be blind to not recognise that Canelo has received special treatment from judges on multiple occasions. Hopefully I'm right and GGG will stop him, so the judges won't be needed.

I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

Let me remind you of Mayweather-Canelo fight. One judge scored it draw (against Mayweather, one of the greatest American champions). If Canalo's father was on the judge's place, he wouldn't score it even. Am I right ? What should we expect against GGG, Kazakhstan's fighter ?

Read what I've written and you'll surely realise that you don't have to remind me of anything. If you don't understand certain aspects of my post, then ask me to clarify myself.

jezzamundo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
I agree with the first part of your statement, but I worry greatly about the second half. You have to be blind to not recognise that Canelo has received special treatment from judges on multiple occasions. Hopefully I'm right and GGG will stop him, so the judges won't be needed.

I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

All of the Trout scorecards were generous to Canelo, the 117-110 scorecard in particular. I had it 114-113 to Canelo, but could see it close to Trout.

The Lara fight was close and could have gone either way. I had it a draw. The 117-111 scorecard is very generous to Canelo.

Cotto-Canelo was a close, competitive fight that all three judges had wide to Canelo, one of whom had it a ridiculous 119-109.

Two of the three judges in the Khan fight had Canelo ahead prior to the stoppage, while most observers agree that Khan won 3 or 4 of the 5 completed rounds.

All that said, Canelo has never been involved in a robbery - he's just gotten the benefit of the doubt time and time again.

I don't agree with you only about Cotto's case, for me Canelo won clearly that fight.

Enlightened-One wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

Let me remind you of Mayweather-Canelo fight. One judge scored it draw (against Mayweather, one of the greatest American champions). If Canalo's father was on the judge's place, he wouldn't score it even. Am I right ? What should we expect against GGG, Kazakhstan's fighter ?

Read what I've written and you'll surely realise that you don't have to remind me of anything. If you don't understand certain aspects of my post, then ask me to clarify myself.

Honestly, how did you score Mayweather-Canelo, and Lara-Canelo ?

ValMar wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Let me remind you of Mayweather-Canelo fight. One judge scored it draw (against Mayweather, one of the greatest American champions). If Canalo's father was on the judge's place, he wouldn't score it even. Am I right ? What should we expect against GGG, Kazakhstan's fighter ?

Read what I've written and you'll surely realise that you don't have to remind me of anything. If you don't understand certain aspects of my post, then ask me to clarify myself.

Honestly, how did you score Mayweather-Canelo, and Lara-Canelo ?

I'll think about answering that question when you explain the reason why you felt compelled to remind me of the Canelo-Mayweather bout after I'd mentioned CJ Ross.

ValMar wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I'm not sure whether Canelo will receive preferential treatment from the judges, since I can only recall the CJ Ross dodgy scoring. However, as the bigger PPV draw and the younger fighter (meaning that he has a greater capacity to earn money), I expect the HBO commentary team to strongly favour Canelo when they eventually score his bout against GGG.

HBO-bias, causes casual fight fan bias, resulting in false cries of "robbery" for evenly-contested fights.

All of the Trout scorecards were generous to Canelo, the 117-110 scorecard in particular. I had it 114-113 to Canelo, but could see it close to Trout.

The Lara fight was close and could have gone either way. I had it a draw. The 117-111 scorecard is very generous to Canelo.

Cotto-Canelo was a close, competitive fight that all three judges had wide to Canelo, one of whom had it a ridiculous 119-109.

Two of the three judges in the Khan fight had Canelo ahead prior to the stoppage, while most observers agree that Khan won 3 or 4 of the 5 completed rounds.

All that said, Canelo has never been involved in a robbery - he's just gotten the benefit of the doubt time and time again.

I don't agree with you only about Cotto's case, for me Canelo won clearly that fight.

I had it 115-113 to Canelo, The Guardian had it the same. Do you really think the scorecards (117-111, 118-110 and 119-109) were reflective of the action in the fight? I thought HBO's commentary was very biased for that fight.

Enlightened-One wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Read what I've written and you'll surely realise that you don't have to remind me of anything. If you don't understand certain aspects of my post, then ask me to clarify myself.

Honestly, how did you score Mayweather-Canelo, and Lara-Canelo ?

I'll think about answering that question when you explain the reason why you felt compelled to remind me of the Canelo-Mayweather bout after I'd mentioned CJ Ross.

OK, I made a mistake, I didn't intend to be impolite.

jezzamundo wrote:

ValMar wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
All of the Trout scorecards were generous to Canelo, the 117-110 scorecard in particular. I had it 114-113 to Canelo, but could see it close to Trout.

The Lara fight was close and could have gone either way. I had it a draw. The 117-111 scorecard is very generous to Canelo.

Cotto-Canelo was a close, competitive fight that all three judges had wide to Canelo, one of whom had it a ridiculous 119-109.

Two of the three judges in the Khan fight had Canelo ahead prior to the stoppage, while most observers agree that Khan won 3 or 4 of the 5 completed rounds.

All that said, Canelo has never been involved in a robbery - he's just gotten the benefit of the doubt time and time again.

I don't agree with you only about Cotto's case, for me Canelo won clearly that fight.

I had it 115-113 to Canelo, The Guardian had it the same. Do you really think the scorecards (117-111, 118-110 and 119-109) were reflective of the action in the fight? I thought HBO's commentary was very biased for that fight.

I am not sure, but I think I had 117-111 or 116-112, the wide decision in any case.

ValMar wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

ValMar wrote: I don't agree with you only about Cotto's case, for me Canelo won clearly that fight.

I had it 115-113 to Canelo, The Guardian had it the same. Do you really think the scorecards (117-111, 118-110 and 119-109) were reflective of the action in the fight? I thought HBO's commentary was very biased for that fight.

I am not sure, but I think I had 117-111 or 116-112, the wide decision in any case.

Thanks. I don't consider 116-112 to be a wide decision. Score two rounds the other way (and there were lots of close rounds in that fight) and it's a draw. Score one round the other way and it's 115-113 which is as close as you can get, without even rounds or knockdowns. For the record, I think 116-112 to Canelo is a fair scorecard for the fight, but I could also see it 115-113 to Cotto because there were so many close rounds.

jezzamundo wrote:

ValMar wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
I had it 115-113 to Canelo, The Guardian had it the same. Do you really think the scorecards (117-111, 118-110 and 119-109) were reflective of the action in the fight? I thought HBO's commentary was very biased for that fight.

I am not sure, but I think I had 117-111 or 116-112, the wide decision in any case.

Thanks. I don't consider 116-112 to be a wide decision. Score two rounds the other way (and there were lots of close rounds in that fight) and it's a draw. Score one round the other way and it's 115-113 which is as close as you can get, without even rounds or knockdowns. For the record, I think 116-112 to Canelo is a fair scorecard for the fight, but I could also see it 115-113 to Cotto because there were so many close rounds.

OK, we can agree - 116/112 was a fair score (on the edge between close and wide decision)...........

ValMar wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Honestly, how did you score Mayweather-Canelo, and Lara-Canelo ?

I'll think about answering that question when you explain the reason why you felt compelled to remind me of the Canelo-Mayweather bout after I'd mentioned CJ Ross.

OK, I made a mistake, I didn't intend to be impolite.

No worries. We all make mistakes.

Enlightened-One wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I'll think about answering that question when you explain the reason why you felt compelled to remind me of the Canelo-Mayweather bout after I'd mentioned CJ Ross.

OK, I made a mistake, I didn't intend to be impolite.

No worries. We all make mistakes.

Yes !

I want just to remind you.....November 2016........

ValMar wrote:I want just to remind you.....November 2016........

What about November 2016?

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:I want just to remind you.....November 2016........

What about November 2016?

This thread was opened in November 2016....

Did I make a comment 5 years ago saying Canelo would win by KO, I probably did but is covered under speculation