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I honestly feel P4P is a load of bull shit assumptions are based on guesses, if's, but's and maybe's but after Saturday nights action where would you rank him in that "P4P" scale.

Who is your #1 and why ?

Ward doesn't fight often enough to be considered in the P4P list.

It's between Ward and Gonzales for me.

GGG is up there but doesn't have a big win on his resume (not his fault admittedly).

No.

Top 3 sure

Horse wrote:No.

Do you still do your World P4P lists? Or just UK?

Boxerbeetle wrote:Do you still do your World P4P lists? Or just UK?

I keep my world list to myself nowadays.

I might start posting it again next year, if I've managed to catch up on a load of the fights I've missed.

I've always cared more about the domestic scene than the world scene.

Crease wrote:Ward doesn't fight often enough to be considered in the P4P list.

That's a very good point that inactivity hurt him on Saturday especially fighting top people his comeback fights weren't good enough to prepare him

Prior to the fight, i was of the opinion if he beats Kovalev he is P4P#1.

After the fight i now disagree, first i thought he lost the fight, second i thought he fought far to negative, hardly landed anything and was content to try and sneak rounds, not what i want to see from a P4P#1.

ALI wrote:Prior to the fight, i was of the opinion if he beats Kovalev he is P4P#1.

After the fight i now disagree, first i thought he lost the fight, second i thought he fought far to negative, hardly landed anything and was content to try and sneak rounds, not what i want to see from a P4P#1.

Maybe not what you want, but Mayweather was P4P #1 for many years whilst employing exactly those tactics.

Tricky one. If I thought he won the fight I'd have said yes, but I scored it to Kovalev so I'm really not sure what that does to my p4p list. Do you go with your own opinion or the record books?

Boxerbeetle wrote:Maybe not what you want, but Mayweather was P4P #1 for many years whilst employing exactly those tactics.

Mayweather generally won his fights clearly though.

When you fight with a boring style you'd better be winning clearly if you want to get a load of credit for it.

Ward lost as far as I'm concerned and he also hardly ever fights anyone decent.

He's no Mayweather.

kbackup408 wrote:I honestly feel P4P is a load of bull poo assumptions are based on guesses, if's, but's and maybe's but after Saturday nights action where would you rank him in that "P4P" scale.

Who is your #1 and why ?

Chocolatito is my p4p no.1 with GGG a close second my reasons are just look at their records,i have frampton alvarez crawford even manny pacquiao and thurman above ward,when i think of a p4p list i want to see how often they fight who they fight wether they compete in different weight classes and how well they do in the jump up or down,ward could be no.1 but he doesnt fight often enough and apart from kovalev he hasnt fought a top ranked fighter since dawson imo and even dawson was weight drained for that fight as he was a 175lb fighter at the time not a 168lb fighter. Ward has skills no doubt about it but we dont see them often

ElJefe wrote:Tricky one. If I thought he won the fight I'd have said yes, but I scored it to Kovalev so I'm really not sure what that does to my p4p list. Do you go with your own opinion or the record books?

I go with the tripartite system when considering who really won a fight, using the following categories: My opinion, the people's opinion & the judges' opinion.

Kovalev wins two out of three, so he was the winner in my book.

The result was such a close fight, and the road.
Our personal impressions are not important at that

Keko wrote:The result was such a close fight, and the road.
Our personal impressions are not important at that

I don't understand.

He's up there obviously but he's not no1 IMO.

that[/quote]I don't understand.[/quote]

Personal impressions are irrelevant to book.

Keko wrote:that

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Personal impressions are irrelevant to book.[/quote]

I'm not sure I agree with that. The p4p ranking is essentially some mythical way of ranking boxers based on personal opinion. Obviously in this case the actual result has to be taken into account as well but surely to completely ignore personal opinions doesn't make complete sense?

If you think it was the right result, then he takes top spot.

To says he fought nobody.. f*cking hell he's just gone up a weight and took all the belts off Kovalev.

p4p number one for grappling and being about as entertaining as a bernie clifton show

Keko wrote:that

I don't understand.[/quote]

Personal impressions are irrelevant to book.[/quote]

Personal impressions certainly aren't irrelevant to personal rankings. I think Kov deserved the W, regardless of what three old men thought.

crusader wrote:

Keko wrote:that

I don't understand.

Personal impressions are irrelevant to book.[/quote]

Personal impressions certainly aren't irrelevant to personal rankings. I think Kov deserved the W, regardless of what three old men thought.[/quote]
For personal ranknigs yes just

Horse wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Maybe not what you want, but Mayweather was P4P #1 for many years whilst employing exactly those tactics.

Mayweather generally won his fights clearly though.

When you fight with a boring style you'd better be winning clearly if you want to get a load of credit for it.

Ward lost as far as I'm concerned and he also hardly ever fights anyone decent.

He's no Mayweather.

You can not be serious.

He cleaned out a stacked 168lb division and after a couple of tune up fights at 175 he fights the consensus champion and one of the most destructive punchers in boxing