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David Haye ??

And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

Assuming you're referring to Briggs, because he's fighting for the WBA paper belt..

DannyMCR wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

Assuming you're referring to Briggs, because he's fighting for the WBA paper belt..

Against Lucas Browne still I'm assuming? Lucas Browne will beat him. Browne's one of the more beatable scalps out there for Briggs to try to take down, but if Browne can beat Chagaev I don't see why he can't beat Briggs.

gilgamesh wrote:

DannyMCR wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

Assuming you're referring to Briggs, because he's fighting for the WBA paper belt..

Against Lucas Browne still I'm assuming? Lucas Browne will beat him. Browne's one of the more beatable scalps out there for Briggs to try to take down, but if Browne can beat Chagaev I don't see why he can't beat Briggs.

Browne has failed a second drug test.

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

Because of his big mouth. People want to see it shut. A small % may believe his nonsense.

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

DannyMCR wrote: Assuming you're referring to Briggs, because he's fighting for the WBA paper belt..

Against Lucas Browne still I'm assuming? Lucas Browne will beat him. Browne's one of the more beatable scalps out there for Briggs to try to take down, but if Browne can beat Chagaev I don't see why he can't beat Briggs.

Browne has failed a second drug test.

Ouch....so maybe that can dig up a softer opponent for Briggs. The WBA is good about that.

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Against Lucas Browne still I'm assuming? Lucas Browne will beat him. Browne's one of the more beatable scalps out there for Briggs to try to take down, but if Browne can beat Chagaev I don't see why he can't beat Briggs.

Browne has failed a second drug test.

Ouch....so maybe that can dig up a softer opponent for Briggs. The WBA is good about that.

Lol probably. Browne was doing year round VADA with the WBC (god knows why when he's fighting for the WBA strap or was supposed to be) after the first failed test and the idiot has failed again

Tony1244 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

Because of his big mouth. People want to see it shut. A small % may believe his nonsense.

It's been shut numerous times in the past.

He was hospitalized and put into ICU the last time he fought a dangerous opponent.

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

I can not agree, he's got power, and if he lands properly in the first quarter of match - he is capable to defeat by KO/TKO at least 10 fighters from top 30. Do you really think that he has no chance against Scott or Molina ?

dickbelden wrote:who is shannon briggs expected to fight now?

Ustinov or Haye, unless Oquendo has recovered from his injury, which I doubt he has.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

Because of his big mouth. People want to see it shut. A small % may believe his nonsense.

It's been shut numerous times in the past.

He was hospitalized and put into ICU the last time he fought a dangerous opponent.

True enough, but there are those out there with very short memories or just want to see him get beat up again and of course there are a handful of Shannon fanboys.

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

I can not agree, he's got power, and if he lands properly in the first quarter of match - he is capable to defeat by KO/TKO at least 10 fighters from top 30. Do you really think that he has no chance against Scott or Molina ?

If you're referring to Malik Scott or Eric Molina I'm not sure I'd consider those guys legitimately Top 30 on any respectable rankings list. And even if so they're certainly toward the bottom of it.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:And more importantly why does anyone care what a shot fighter who has little to no chance against anybody in the Top 30 is doing?

I can not agree, he's got power, and if he lands properly in the first quarter of match - he is capable to defeat by KO/TKO at least 10 fighters from top 30. Do you really think that he has no chance against Scott or Molina ?

If you're referring to Malik Scott or Eric Molina I'm not sure I'd consider those guys legitimately Top 30 on any respectable rankings list. And even if so they're certainly toward the bottom of it.

Molina # 11
Scott # 15

BOXREC HW rating, today

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:
I can not agree, he's got power, and if he lands properly in the first quarter of match - he is capable to defeat by KO/TKO at least 10 fighters from top 30. Do you really think that he has no chance against Scott or Molina ?

If you're referring to Malik Scott or Eric Molina I'm not sure I'd consider those guys legitimately Top 30 on any respectable rankings list. And even if so they're certainly toward the bottom of it.

Molina # 11
Scott # 15

BOXREC HW rating, today

Key word: Boxrec Heavyweight ranking. I believe I said Respectable rankings list.

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Anthony Joshua
5. Joseph Parker
6. Luis Ortiz
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Bryant Jennings
10. Carlos Takam

11. Johann Duhaupas
12. Artur Szpilka
13. Vyacheslav Glazkov
14. Dominic Breazeale
15. Charles Martin
16. Gerald Washington
17. Andy Ruiz Jr.
18. Jarrell Miller
19. David Haye
20. Oscar Rivas


Still quite a few spots to go before you'd see Molina and Scott on my list from there.

Gilgamesh, there are so many lists, but I am sure that old Briggs would have decent chances against Martin or Washington or Breazeale....against Chisora or Whyte too....

ValMar wrote:Gilgamesh, there are so many lists, but I am sure that old Briggs would have decent chances against Martin or Washington or Breazeale....against Chisora or Whyte too....

Martin, Breazeale and Washington he'd have a chance against because those guys are largely unproven and certainly nothing special. Chisora and Whyte would beat him.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
If you're referring to Malik Scott or Eric Molina I'm not sure I'd consider those guys legitimately Top 30 on any respectable rankings list. And even if so they're certainly toward the bottom of it.

Molina # 11
Scott # 15

BOXREC HW rating, today

Key word: Boxrec Heavyweight ranking. I believe I said Respectable rankings list.

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Anthony Joshua
5. Joseph Parker
6. Luis Ortiz
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Bryant Jennings
10. Carlos Takam

11. Johann Duhaupas
12. Artur Szpilka
13. Vyacheslav Glazkov
14. Dominic Breazeale
15. Charles Martin
16. Gerald Washington
17. Andy Ruiz Jr.
18. Jarrell Miller
19. David Haye
20. Oscar Rivas


Still quite a few spots to go before you'd see Molina and Scott on my list from there.

Breazele isn't even top 30.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:Gilgamesh, there are so many lists, but I am sure that old Briggs would have decent chances against Martin or Washington or Breazeale....against Chisora or Whyte too....

Martin, Breazeale and Washington he'd have a chance against because those guys are largely unproven and certainly nothing special. Chisora and Whyte would beat him.

Chisora is capable to beat only "no names". He's never defeated any decent HW. I am not sure for Whyte, I've watched him only once (disaster against Joshua).

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:Gilgamesh, there are so many lists, but I am sure that old Briggs would have decent chances against Martin or Washington or Breazeale....against Chisora or Whyte too....

Martin, Breazeale and Washington he'd have a chance against because those guys are largely unproven and certainly nothing special. Chisora and Whyte would beat him.

Chisora is capable to beat only "no names". He's never defeated any decent HW. I am not sure for Whyte, I've watched him only once (disaster against Joshua).

I'm very confident Chisora and Whyte beat Briggs. I'd pick Washington to beat him too. Breazeale and Martin are the toss up bouts there to me.

FRES OQUENDO, then make someone better manditory challenger.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote:Gilgamesh, there are so many lists, but I am sure that old Briggs would have decent chances against Martin or Washington or Breazeale....against Chisora or Whyte too....

Martin, Breazeale and Washington he'd have a chance against because those guys are largely unproven and certainly nothing special. Chisora and Whyte would beat him.

Breazeale I'd give the best chance out of the three, purely because of his toughness.

ValMar wrote:Chisora is capable to beat only "no names". He's never defeated any decent HW.

He's beaten Helenius, also Gerber and Sexton. He's not a world beater but compare his resume to Takam who's only wins ae 40 year Michael Grant, and 42 year old Tony Tompson, both years ago. Or Szpika who's only win is 37 year old Tomasz Adamek. There's really not that many with better wins than him. Or Ustinov who's best win was, eh.

BitPlayer wrote:FRES OQUENDO, then make someone better manditory challenger.

Oquendo vs Briggs would be 50/50 to me.

gilgamesh wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:FRES OQUENDO, then make someone better manditory challenger.

Oquendo vs Briggs would be 50/50 to me.

Would be an intriguing fight in a bizarre way. But don't go by me, I paid good money to watch Oliver McCall-Oquendo.