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...at most. if you are being overly generous, you might give dirty fighting Ward 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9UVJ-taoeQ

the squealing continues.

Tanzio wrote: the squealing continues.

Infantile name calling like that addresses none of the points in the film analysis.

x2x wrote:

Tanzio wrote: the squealing continues.

Infantile name calling like that addresses none of the points in the film analysis.

That wasn't a name, it was a description of a sound that various mammals produce when in distress, like Krusher jock mites have been making for nearly a week.

Krusher jock mites could be targeted with your criticism though.

Translation: Tanzidiot thinks that it is OK that crooks rule everything in Vegas including boxing. Whatever crooks decide we should agree with.

boxing_rocks wrote:Translation: Tanzidiot thinks that it is OK that crooks rule everything in Vegas including boxing. Whatever crooks decide we should agree with.

Actually, whatever I decide you should agree, you cute little Russian dumpling.

boxing_rocks wrote:Translation: Tanzidiot thinks that it is OK that crooks rule everything in Vegas including boxing. Whatever crooks decide we should agree with.

If your so convinced boxing is fixed and crooked, why do you follow the sport?

It was a close fight. I think Kovalev should have retained his titles either by draw or 114-113/115-114 decision. There is a great article from Frank Lotierzo about this fight. "Kovalev Deserved The Nod, But He Wasn’t Robbed" - http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature- ... served-nod

Ah good to see Frank is still around, used to write stuff for him and correspond with him, great historian.

Boxing Writer wrote:It was a close fight. I think Kovalev should have retained his titles either by draw or 114-113/115-114 decision. There is a great article from Frank Lotierzo about this fight. "Kovalev Deserved The Nod, But He Wasn’t Robbed" - http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature- ... served-nod

"Kovalev Deserved The Nod, But He Wasn’t Robbed"


That is called an oxymoron.

I had to stop watching..I can't stand the way he pronounces Kovalev. I agree with the first 5 mins though lol.

Can't be arsed to watch the whole thing but what I saw I agree with. Kov won, Fraud doesn't deserve the belts.

tigermoth87 wrote:Can't be arsed to watch the whole thing but what I saw I agree with. Kov won, Fraud doesn't deserve the belts.

made it through the second round, eh?

A competent judge should score rounds 7 and 8 for Ward, and could score rounds 3, 5, 9, 11 and 12 for him too. 4 and 6 were also close rounds, though I think Kovalev edged them.

Boxing Writer wrote:It was a close fight. I think Kovalev should have retained his titles either by draw or 114-113/115-114 decision. There is a great article from Frank Lotierzo about this fight. "Kovalev Deserved The Nod, But He Wasn’t Robbed" - http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature- ... served-nod

People are trying to whitewash the robbery... Even Ward allies like Roy Jones Jr and Stephen A Smith say Kovalev won the fight... If the scoring were distributed a little differently I wouldn't be so adamant it was a robbery... But the judges had to give Ward the 10th for him to win... and he clearly didn't win the 10th...and they just took it from Kovalev and gave it to Ward.. Ward was allowed to push and butt with his head all night... and I think part of the strategy was to get him cut.. Kovalev made strenuous efforts to keep Ward's head out of his face.. Ward was clearly outjabbed, outboxed, outpunched and out generalled in the middle of the ring.. If you win 8 rounds, and the judges take 3 of those rounds and give them to your opponent -- because that's how many he needs to win -- it's a robbery... This happens all the time in Boxing so don't try to push it under the rug.

jezzamundo wrote:A competent judge should score rounds 7 and 8 for Ward, and could score rounds 3, 5, 9, 11 and 12 for him too. 4 and 6 were also close rounds, though I think Kovalev edged them.

That's complete BS... and how about the 10th??? ... All 3 judges gave Ward the 10th.

Tanzio wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:Can't be arsed to watch the whole thing but what I saw I agree with. Kov won, Fraud doesn't deserve the belts.

made it through the second round, eh?

I meant the whole of the analysis. I just watched a few minutes, skipped ahead, watched a few more, skipped ahead etc to get the general gist of it.

The guy bought up some good points.

Kalan wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:It was a close fight. I think Kovalev should have retained his titles either by draw or 114-113/115-114 decision. There is a great article from Frank Lotierzo about this fight. "Kovalev Deserved The Nod, But He Wasn’t Robbed" - http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature- ... served-nod

People are trying to whitewash the robbery... Even Ward allies like Roy Jones Jr and Stephen A Smith say Kovalev won the fight... If the scoring were distributed a little differently I wouldn't be so adamant it was a robbery... But the judges had to give Ward the 10th for him to win... and he clearly didn't win the 10th...and they just took it from Kovalev and gave it to Ward.. Ward was allowed to push and butt with his head all night... and I think part of the strategy was to get him cut.. Kovalev made strenuous efforts to keep Ward's head out of his face.. Ward was clearly outjabbed, outboxed, outpunched and out generalled in the middle of the ring.. If you win 8 rounds, and the judges take 3 of those rounds and give them to your opponent -- because that's how many he needs to win -- it's a robbery... This happens all the time in Boxing so don't try to push it under the rug.

100% with what u said. Andre Fraud the American robbery.

Let's not crucify Ward here. Yes Kovalev won but lets not blame Ward for the scoring, he didn't fill in the scorecards in.

Both are are elite fighters let's give the both the respect they deserve.

I don’t want to sound unreasonable, but am I the only person that frequents this forum that has grown weary of reading over-and-over again the same monotonous complains about the alleged “Kovalev robbery”?

It seems that the same set of people keep repeating the same complaints twenty times or more in the desperate hope that raw repetition alone will inevitably compel others to join their futile bitter and twisted plight to undermine the outcome of the “Ward-Kovalev” fight.

Their efforts are actually having the opposite effect on me personally, as these people have become so annoying that I’m actually a tad relieved that Ward won this bout, not necessarily because he deserved it, but because it’s good to know that something so trivial has caused extreme offence to so many morons.

It’s time to move on folks, every aspect of the Kovalev-Ward fight has already been discussed to the point of exhaustion and there are many more fine fighters that we should be discussing, such as the potential outcome of tonight’s Vasyl Lomachenko versus Nicholas Walters fight.

Kalan wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:A competent judge should score rounds 7 and 8 for Ward, and could score rounds 3, 5, 9, 11 and 12 for him too. 4 and 6 were also close rounds, though I think Kovalev edged them.

That's complete BS... and how about the 10th??? ... All 3 judges gave Ward the 10th.

Why is it complete BS? Which of the rounds I mentioned couldn't be reasonably scored for Ward?

I agree Kovalev won the 10th, it's the one round of the fight where the judges clearly made the wrong call.

People saying this isn't a robbery are wrong. Of the first six rounds I fail to see how Ward could be given more than one round. Kovalev had a knockdown so by the end of the sixth it was 6-1. I then gave Ward rounds seven, eight and nine but in order to win the fight he had to win all the rest unless he scored knockdowns. Kovalev clearly won round ten which finished off Ward's chance (minus knockdowns). Ward won round eleven and I thought Kovalev edged the last. If you give Ward round twelve (which was close) then fine you can get it very close on the scorecards but close or not I don't see how it can be close in Ward's favour which means it is pretty much a robbery.

For me Kovalev by three points. The tenth round is key here and the judges were clearly wrong in giving it to Ward.

tigermoth87 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:Can't be arsed to watch the whole thing but what I saw I agree with. Kov won, Fraud doesn't deserve the belts.

made it through the second round, eh?

I meant the whole of the analysis. I just watched a few minutes, skipped ahead, watched a few more, skipped ahead etc to get the general gist of it.

The guy bought up some good points.

I know. I was just yanking your tiger chain moth87.

Besides, Fightdoctor has closed the case on this wicked pile people poop; Krusher cheated too well and robbed himself.

It is the only logical explanation.

Ian1973 wrote:Let's not crucify Ward here. Yes Kovalev won but lets not blame Ward for the scoring, he didn't fill in the scorecards in.

Both are are elite fighters let's give the both the respect they deserve.

Nobody crucifies Ward himself for the crooks' decision. However, how he behaves now as if he won a clear decision and is an undisputed champion will not make him any more popular.

jezzamundo wrote:A competent judge should score rounds 7 and 8 for Ward, and could score rounds 3, 5, 9, 11 and 12 for him too. 4 and 6 were also close rounds, though I think Kovalev edged them.

Agree totally - Great win for Ward. Kovalev had no answers once he was out of his comfort zone. If Kov goes into rematch with no new ideas could be lopsided