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OK this is late in the day and possibly been discussed but considering what we now know about just how bad his mental health has been, how much better does Fury's unbeaten run to become world champion actually look?

Is that you Fury??

It doesn't look any better. He's a joke of a Champion who gave up his title because he knew he wasn't man enough to defend it, and history will remember him that way.

gilgamesh wrote:It doesn't look any better. He's a joke of a Champion who gave up his title because he knew he wasn't man enough to defend it, and history will remember him that way.

Idiots will remember him that way

Taansend wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:It doesn't look any better. He's a joke of a Champion who gave up his title because he knew he wasn't man enough to defend it, and history will remember him that way.

Idiots will remember him that way

Why wouldn't everybody? His biggest claim to fame is he happened to be in the ring the night a better fighter refused to fight back, and he got a title handed to him (a title which he then turned around and gave up without a fight as well). He's lucky more than talented.

gilgamesh wrote:

Taansend wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:It doesn't look any better. He's a joke of a Champion who gave up his title because he knew he wasn't man enough to defend it, and history will remember him that way.

Idiots will remember him that way

Why wouldn't everybody? His biggest claim to fame is he happened to be in the ring the night a better fighter refused to fight back, and he got a title handed to him (a title which he then turned around and gave up without a fight as well). He's lucky more than talented.

Yeah it's really weird, for some reason a consistant professional, willing to engage in dirty tactics just decided to lose, but for some reason he still used dirty tactics to try and win even though he wanted to lose.

I don't know what the reason is. I just know Wladimir didn't fight that night.

Enlightened-One wrote:"Tyson Fury piles on the pounds as fans react to topless holiday picture"

OMG. He must be 22st plus. He will never be back.

Loki wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:"Tyson Fury piles on the pounds as fans react to topless holiday picture"

OMG. He must be 22st plus. He will never be back.

Well he was 24 stone before he started to train for klit the first time so he's not that bad considering, he would soon lose that.

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know what the reason is. I just know Wladimir didn't fight that night.

Because Fury didn't let hm figt. Get over it the better fighter won that night plain and simple.

He was definitely better, but they both sucked. Just like wlad/haye.

Rexob wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know what the reason is. I just know Wladimir didn't fight that night.

Because Fury didn't let hm figt. Get over it the better fighter won that night plain and simple.

Fury didn't let him fight...how? By throwing 10 more punches a round than Wlad did? Fury barely did sh*t that night either, he was just standing in the ring with a Champion who simply wouldn't do anything. There were several times when just about anybody could've connect on Fury if they'd simply thrown a shot, instead Wlad just stood there staring at him like an idiot.

I scored the fight for Fury, but he'll never get much credit from me for that farce of a fight, and the fact that he just turned around and dropped his title without ever defending it just makes him an even bigger joke in my eyes.

He can redeem himself if he comes back and beats other Top Heavyweights, but it doesn't seem like he has any drive to do so.

Fury wasn't the better fighter in the ring that night against Wlad. He was just the only guy that bothered fighting.

Hell anybody could beat a better fighter if all he was gonna do was stare at you all night.

Fury got caught at least twice by full blown punches took them very well, klit couldn't get his punches off, as Fury had his number even if he didn't thow many himself he did enough and the Germans agreed, which is an accomplishment in itself. Fury basically boxed with in himself allnight and did just enough to win, very clever boxing from Fury that night and great tactics.

If Fury retires I guess he'll be only the second heavyweight champ to retire undefeated?

boxingknockout wrote:If Fury retires I guess he'll be only the second heavyweight champ to retire undefeated?

Yes deservedly.

boxingknockout wrote:If Fury retires I guess he'll be only the second heavyweight champ to retire undefeated?

...I will still claim that successfully defending the title for a couple of years and then eventually losing it is a bigger achievement...

Rexob wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know what the reason is. I just know Wladimir didn't fight that night.

Because Fury didn't let hm figt. Get over it the better fighter won that night plain and simple.

The better fighter on the night won. The greater champion lost that night.

gilgamesh wrote:

Taansend wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:It doesn't look any better. He's a joke of a Champion who gave up his title because he knew he wasn't man enough to defend it, and history will remember him that way.

Idiots will remember him that way

Why wouldn't everybody? His biggest claim to fame is he happened to be in the ring the night a better fighter refused to fight back, and he got a title handed to him (a title which he then turned around and gave up without a fight as well). He's lucky more than talented.

You're doing your best to make Taansends point for him really

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know what the reason is. I just know Wladimir didn't fight that night.

Fury may go down as one of 2 Lineal Heavyweight Champions who retired undefeated for his career...if indeed this is the end of it...and It may be. Fury had such an over-the-top potty mouth... and made such outrageous political statements... Most top athletes protect their image because they have the potential to make more money from endorsements then from actual fighting or playing.. George Foreman was more worldly and smarter when he made him comeback. George carefully crafted a lovable image and made 100's of millions in endorsements.. Most boxers are clueless in this regard, but Fury was down right suicidal with his image.. The funny thing is, beneath his illness and disorders the guy seems likeable and intelligent.

Fury was a good boxer as well.. Wladimir was ready to fight.. WK never met anybody that big and tall with that long a reach in his life.. He couldn't jab him because Fury popped him smack in the face from very long range.. WK couldn't fight inside, because when he worked his way inside Fury met him with an inside attack.. All Wladimir could do was grab and hold.. He kept getting turned around trying to hold such a giant, with Tony Weeks jumping in to save him.. The one time Weeks didn't jump in, Fury waited for Wlad to turn back around like Holly Holm waited for Rhonda.. Whatever happened you knew Fury was going to win very easy.. Wladimir was desperate in the 12th and still couldn't land a telling shot.

And Chisora had some good fights... He beat the Hell out of Robert Helenius and went 12 with Vitali... Fury controlled Chisora like a baby and he never landed a decent punch... Fury confounded Chisora, and his corner, by fighting southpaw for almost the entire fight.. Chisora threw punches uselessly, waving at air.. No doubt Fury is a talented and clever boxer -- but he has his head up his ass in-lock and that's not going to change.

Eventually Fury will run out of money. Once Fury runs out of money he will have the desire to fight again.

In the 1970's I knew a kid named Paul Poirier.. He had loads of talent and won 21 straight professional fights while he was still in high school.. He trained like crazy, was in unbelievable shape, went undefeated and easily defeated a very good top prospect -- so after about a year and a half in the pros while he was going to high school it looked like he was about to break into the world Middleweight rankings in his next fight or so. He had can't miss talent and was almost a sure thing to be a World Champion. Then he decided he didn't want to box anymore and changed his pursuits in life.

16 years later he tried to make a comeback as a fat and sloppy heavyweight.. The moves were gone.. The power was gone.. The gift was long gone.

When I see guys like Tyson Fury toss it up.. I always think of Poirier

davie wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Taansend wrote:
Idiots will remember him that way

Why wouldn't everybody? His biggest claim to fame is he happened to be in the ring the night a better fighter refused to fight back, and he got a title handed to him (a title which he then turned around and gave up without a fight as well). He's lucky more than talented.

You're doing your best to make Taansends point for him really

I don't know why these supposed boxing fans are so intent on putting down boxing

Our sport has enough shite from outside without so called fans making up stupid shite.

Klitschko was outboxed by the better man on the night. Fury is beset with a boatload of mental issues & not exactly normal but on that night he fought the perfect, but dull, fight against a man who had got comfortable using a blueprint that Manny started for Lennox many years before.

Fury is a decent, not great, boxer who needs a break from the people around him.

Taansend wrote:
Klitschko was outboxed by the better man on the night. Fury is beset with a boatload of mental issues & not exactly normal but on that night he fought the perfect, but dull, fight against a man who had got comfortable using a blueprint that Manny started for Lennox many years before.

Fury is a decent, not great, boxer who needs a break from the people around him.

That would be my take as well

Rexob wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:If Fury retires I guess he'll be only the second heavyweight champ to retire undefeated?

Yes deservedly.

What does that even mean? I liked Fury but retiring undefeated after defeating a triggerless, obviously past it (though great) champion, and never honoring the rematch clause or defending your title even once does not add up to the word "deservedly."

It adds up more accurately to him being a sick joke.