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I think Floyd getting paid silly money has ruined boxing..
Everybody is afraid to fight each other in case they get beat. They all want to keep there zero and go for Floyd maywether sizzed cheques even though that day is gone...

Boxing needs New superstars who fight anybody and not only once a year. .

Mcgregor should be an inspiration to all boxers

No

You've got some guys who are expecting the world for any challenging fight, but things will normalize soon when they realize not fighting because they demand too much makes them zero dollars.

people give floyd to much importance. sure he did influence some us boxer, maybe to grab clinch more and to save the 0. but boxing since a long term is worldwide and mexicans, puerto ricans, europeans, russians, ukrains, japenese all got their own style and they do all they can to entertain. the opposite what floyd wanted, cash in and play safe.

look at euros. glowacki, the #1 cruiser fighting the biggest talent in usyk, the 2 best cruiser boxing. than kell brook, havin the balls the jump 2 divisions and be the best he can be facing the best in ggg. or roman taking on the best names available, hopefully soon inoue.

all i am saying is, the best do fight the best, not all the time, but it happens. boxing is in a good position. heavyweight, lh, 147 are loaded and everybody gonne face each other around 2017, its all good.

mullenman wrote:Did mayweather ruin boxing?

I’m getting tired of regularly seeing character assassinations circulating this forum; because it does nothing other than dilute the waters to the point that legitimate criticisms are ignored, because there are so many illegitimate complaints being dishonestly discussed instead.

Everyone is so obsessed with caricaturing mother fúckérs by making totally bizarre claims that are simply untrue.

Here's the truth: Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a retired boxer and he cannot be held responsible for the decision-making of active fighters that he has no involvement with, regardless as to whether or not his business savvy approach to matchmaking and negotiating table tactics “inspired” them.

Regardless of him there are always idiots who price themselves out of fights - you hear about it one a regular basis when good match ups don't get made. There's always someone who wants too much. Always has been. Also the longer guys go without losing the harder it is to make the fight. Had either Quigg or Frampton had an early loss in their careers I suspect it might have been easier to make the match up. All the talk about being the bigger draw etc smacked of guys who wanted to ensure there was enough money for the risk. I don't believe Mayweather caused that, I think that would be happening anyway. If anything those who say that fighters today are too well managed and too scared to lose are right. Thinking about it would Amir Khan have been willing to make some of the fights he has had he not lost the 0 early on?

It has been a collective effort, but Mayweather did his "best".

The FMJ era is over Boxing appears to be on the upswing. Why look back at what could have been? Let's focus on the here and now and what is to come.

No matter what you thought of the decision, Ward shocked many of us by getting in the ring with a fighter like Krusher and he had the heart to pull out a close decision after being down hard. Now we get to look forward to a rematch between this elite boxers.

It appears that we are on the verge of getting the 3G v Jacobs fight. Also, all signs are that GingerHead v 3G is on track for next September.

With Usyk in the mix, Cruiserweight looks to be one of the more interesting weight classes in 2017.

Thurman v Danny promises to be a war of veteran boxers hovering around the top ten P4P level.

Spence is due to breakout. Will a fight with Brook actually materialize?

I think that it is unrealistic to think that Pac v Loma can happen in 2017 but Pac v Crawford is still a very real possibility.

Mikey Garcia may be on a collision course with Loma though, which would be a huge fight.

Frampton LSC II promises another great battle.

Cuadras v Chocolatito II is rumored to be a possibility for the co-main with Jacobs v 3G.

DeGale v Jack is in the offing. I would not be surprised to see Groves v DeGale II in 2017.

Speaking of SMW, what the heck is up with the Mazatlan Mauler. Not sure anyone in any direction wants any of Ramirez.

What is next for Postol, Porter, the Charlos, Lara, Ramming Speed, Barthelemy, etc.?

The HW div is wide open and poised for a big 2017.

Boxing is on the upswing. 2017 looks very, very promising.

No. I think people have been jaded by Mayweather's dominance in the ring and at the negotiating table. He beat every big name he could possibly fight and was able to avoid losing because he was so intelligent and worked so hard despite all the millions in the bank. He was also a great manager who knew how to milk every fight for all it's worth. Fighters like that are super rare. There will be plenty more upsets, screw-ups and slugfests in the future simply because 99% of fighters don't have his mind/skill combination. The future may be more kind to him once parity sets in. Larry Holmes never really attained the level of popularity that a fighter with his streak of wins and sheer dominance deserved but, after he retired, more people began to realize just how legendary his accomplishments really were. Even then, Mayweather never had a drop-off in skill/performance like Holmes did. Trust me, it's likely that there will never be another one like Floyd.

Floyd Mayweather has nothing to do with the largely risk adverse careers lived out by the likes of Roy Jones Jr. and Joe Calzaghe. Boxing was "ruined" long before he came along.

jbizzle20 wrote:No. I think people have been jaded by Mayweather's dominance in the ring and at the negotiating table. He beat every big name he could possibly fight and was able to avoid losing because he was so intelligent and worked so hard despite all the millions in the bank. He was also a great manager who knew how to milk every fight for all it's worth. Fighters like that are super rare. There will be plenty more upsets, screw-ups and slugfests in the future simply because 99% of fighters don't have his mind/skill combination. The future may be more kind to him once parity sets in. Larry Holmes never really attained the level of popularity that a fighter with his streak of wins and sheer dominance deserved but, after he retired, more people began to realize just how legendary his accomplishments really were. Even then, Mayweather never had a drop-off in skill/performance like Holmes did. Trust me, it's likely that there will never be another one like Floyd.

Of course, FMJ will be remembered as a great fighter and a great business person, but he did not "beat every big name that he could possibly fight" by a longshot. Beating Manny 5-6 years too late pales in comparison to what Ward and Krusher just accomplished. Beating JMM two weight classes north of his current class (and failing to make the contracted catch weight) pales in comparison to the accomplishments of both Pac and JMM in their fair battles. Beating a green GingerHead at a catch weight for the LMW title leaves an asterix on the accomplishment, again paling in comparison to Ward going to LHW to challenge the second most feared puncher in boxing.

I repeat, the FMJ era is over hip hip hooray

Tanzio wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:No. I think people have been jaded by Mayweather's dominance in the ring and at the negotiating table. He beat every big name he could possibly fight and was able to avoid losing because he was so intelligent and worked so hard despite all the millions in the bank. He was also a great manager who knew how to milk every fight for all it's worth. Fighters like that are super rare. There will be plenty more upsets, screw-ups and slugfests in the future simply because 99% of fighters don't have his mind/skill combination. The future may be more kind to him once parity sets in. Larry Holmes never really attained the level of popularity that a fighter with his streak of wins and sheer dominance deserved but, after he retired, more people began to realize just how legendary his accomplishments really were. Even then, Mayweather never had a drop-off in skill/performance like Holmes did. Trust me, it's likely that there will never be another one like Floyd.

Of course, FMJ will be remembered as a great fighter and a great business person, but he did not "beat every big name that he could possibly fight" by a longshot. Beating Manny 5-6 years too late pales in comparison to what Ward and Krusher just accomplished. Beating JMM two weight classes north of his current class (and failing to make the contracted catch weight) pales in comparison to the accomplishments of both Pac and JMM in their fair battles. Beating a green GingerHead at a catch weight for the LMW title leaves an asterix on the accomplishment, again paling in comparison to Ward going to LHW to challenge the second most feared puncher in boxing.

I repeat, the FMJ era is over hip hip hooray

ho hay ho

maybe floyd did destroy ppv......because since floyd robbing the fans in doing nothing against pac, certainly a lot of people dont like to buy ppv anymore. this would give an answer why even big fight like kovalev-ward did very poor ppv numbers

I think what does more damage is prospects getting overhyped despite no real achievement.

Jip wrote:maybe floyd did destroy ppv......because since floyd robbing the fans in doing nothing against pac, certainly a lot of people dont like to buy ppv anymore. this would give an answer why even big fight like kovalev-ward did very poor ppv numbers

Kovalev vs Ward would've done poor PPV numbers regardless. Neither is a big name outside of hardcore Boxing fans.

gilgamesh wrote:

Jip wrote:maybe floyd did destroy ppv......because since floyd robbing the fans in doing nothing against pac, certainly a lot of people dont like to buy ppv anymore. this would give an answer why even big fight like kovalev-ward did very poor ppv numbers

Kovalev vs Ward would've done poor PPV numbers regardless. Neither is a big name outside of hardcore Boxing fans.

true, but the numbers were very poor, i think they would have a done better, would boxing be in a better position, without all the negativity floyd and others like canelo brought to boxing ppv.

Tanzio wrote:Now we get to look forward to a rematch between this elite boxers.

The last thing Ward wants is a rematch.

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Jip wrote:maybe floyd did destroy ppv......because since floyd robbing the fans in doing nothing against pac, certainly a lot of people dont like to buy ppv anymore. this would give an answer why even big fight like kovalev-ward did very poor ppv numbers

Kovalev vs Ward would've done poor PPV numbers regardless. Neither is a big name outside of hardcore Boxing fans.

true, but the numbers were very poor, i think they would have a done better, would boxing be in a better position, without all the negativity floyd and others like canelo brought to boxing ppv.

No, Manny refusing to fight against Floyd may have turned off a few for good, but floyds fights sold for a decade. Americans don't give a shit about boxing and they couldn't care less about ward or kovalev. That fight wouldn't do huge ratings on HBO. About twice as many people bought pac/Vargas 2 weeks before it and in the middle a UFC did more than double both combined.

Here's an interesting stat, 22 straight years and counting that Floyd has a win over at least 1 fighter in the rings year end p4p top 10.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Here's an interesting stat, 22 straight years and counting that Floyd has a win over at least 1 fighter in the rings year end p4p top 10.

and even if floyd was better than a prime jones i wouldnt care, case boring boxing does nothing to me....if u like the style fine...

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Here's an interesting stat, 22 straight years and counting that Floyd has a win over at least 1 fighter in the rings year end p4p top 10.

and even if floyd was better than a prime jones i wouldnt care, case boring boxing does nothing to me....if u like the style fine...

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Here's an interesting stat, 22 straight years and counting that Floyd has a win over at least 1 fighter in the rings year end p4p top 10.

How does that work?

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Here's an interesting stat, 22 straight years and counting that Floyd has a win over at least 1 fighter in the rings year end p4p top 10.

How does that work?

Oscar & Shane were there early, pac for years, canelo now. I believe it was only 8 fighters, obviously different times fighting them. Just found it interesting. Pac may have the same streak, not sure because the site doesn't have the last couple updated.

mullenman wrote:I think Floyd getting paid silly money has ruined boxing..
Everybody is afraid to fight each other in case they get beat. They all want to keep there zero and go for Floyd maywether sizzed cheques even though that day is gone...

Boxing needs New superstars who fight anybody and not only once a year. .

Mcgregor should be an inspiration to all boxers

I think he did even tho he fought the best around apart from a prime tszyu,margarito,a prime mosley or prime pacman. Las vegas judges and the powers that be in boxing gave him way too much power,he got beat by castillo in the first fight but the judges gave him the fight,odlh beat hom but the judges gave him a sd win and he should of been DQed against judah but scrapped through that,in my eyes he has a 46-3 record,if he wanted to start calling cotto undedeated when they fought cause margarito beat him with loaded gloves and pacman beat him but floyd says he was on the peds the floyd is 46-3 and thats not including the pacman fight were he got a gimme to take peds himself

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Now we get to look forward to a rematch between this elite boxers.

The last thing Ward wants is a rematch.

Yeah, like most of us thought that he would never get into the ring the first time. Grab yourself by the collar and give yourself a good Moe slapping.

thechump wrote:

mullenman wrote:I think Floyd getting paid silly money has ruined boxing..
Everybody is afraid to fight each other in case they get beat. They all want to keep there zero and go for Floyd maywether sizzed cheques even though that day is gone...

Boxing needs New superstars who fight anybody and not only once a year. .

Mcgregor should be an inspiration to all boxers

I think he did even tho he fought the best around apart from a prime tszyu,margarito,a prime mosley or prime pacman. Las vegas judges and the powers that be in boxing gave him way too much power,he got beat by castillo in the first fight but the judges gave him the fight,odlh beat hom but the judges gave him a sd win and he should of been DQed against judah but scrapped through that,in my eyes he has a 46-3 record,if he wanted to start calling cotto undedeated when they fought cause margarito beat him with loaded gloves and pacman beat him but floyd says he was on the peds the floyd is 46-3 and thats not including the pacman fight were he got a gimme to take peds himself

Oscar didn't come close to beating him. I also thought Castillo won.