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Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 12:47
by TheCobra
Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 12:52
by Ruthless-RKO
TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarrassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How has he conned us though, yes, he fought nobodies, but it's not like we had to pay £20? it was on Dave. Anyone that bought tickets must just be his hardcore and casual fans..
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 12:59
by bigjack
This is how i see it,Haye hasn't had a real fight for close to 5 years,he was away from the sport for 3.5 years and then came back with 2 easy knock over wins,meanwhile Bellew has been fighting,had a couple of tough ones but got the wins and won a world title along the way.We all know Haye can bang but will the inactivity be his downfall,has any other heavyweight who has been so inactive gone on to do anything ?.He could be hoping for an easy win and then cash out in a big heavyweight title fight,personally i think the time could be right for an upset.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:12
by emallini
TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:27
by London Boy
Watching the fella move about and his general demeanour I'd like to think he is back to full speed and deadly serious about regaining a world title. He does get some right stick and sometimes it's been deserved, but no denying a fully fit David Haye is a dangerous heavy.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:28
by TheCobra
emallini wrote:TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:32
by jamesmcdonnell
TheCobra wrote:emallini wrote:TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
I think the type of people who go to those shows, probably thought they got value for money.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:32
by PredatorHayds
TheCobra wrote:emallini wrote:TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
Nonsense we got to see Lethal Bizzle perform a song called Wobble.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:33
by bripez
TheCobra wrote:emallini wrote:TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
The public wants what the public gets mate.
I guess that a significant number of the 10,000 got exactly what they paid for - David Haye blitzing somebody out, the fact that the more serious boxing fan sees it as something else is another issue.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 13:39
by nitro5912
bigjack wrote:This is how i see it,Haye hasn't had a real fight for close to 5 years,he was away from the sport for 3.5 years and then came back with 2 easy knock over wins,meanwhile Bellew has been fighting,had a couple of tough ones but got the wins and won a world title along the way.We all know Haye can bang but will the inactivity be his downfall,has any other heavyweight who has been so inactive gone on to do anything ?.He could be hoping for an easy win and then cash out in a big heavyweight title fight,personally i think the time could be right for an upset.
Foreman done it after a 10year lay off at a,similar age. Went on to win a world title again
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 14:09
by bigjack
nitro5912 wrote:bigjack wrote:This is how i see it,Haye hasn't had a real fight for close to 5 years,he was away from the sport for 3.5 years and then came back with 2 easy knock over wins,meanwhile Bellew has been fighting,had a couple of tough ones but got the wins and won a world title along the way.We all know Haye can bang but will the inactivity be his downfall,has any other heavyweight who has been so inactive gone on to do anything ?.He could be hoping for an easy win and then cash out in a big heavyweight title fight,personally i think the time could be right for an upset.
Foreman done it after a 10year lay off at a,similar age. Went on to win a world title again
He did but he had a load of fights on his comeback prior to winning the title
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:04
by jamesmcdonnell
Foreman was also an ATG heavyweight possessed of an incredible chin and formidable stamina and punchpower for a man of his age.
Foreman took some serious licks on the comeback trail before he won.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:27
by bigjack
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Foreman was also an ATG heavyweight possessed of an incredible chin and formidable stamina and punchpower for a man of his age.
Foreman took some serious licks on the comeback trail before he won.
That's my point really,Haye hasn't taken a punch in years,even Chisora didn't catch him with anything worth taking about,so can he still take it ?,answer is,we don't know.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:34
by jameswilson
nitro5912 wrote:bigjack wrote:This is how i see it,Haye hasn't had a real fight for close to 5 years,he was away from the sport for 3.5 years and then came back with 2 easy knock over wins,meanwhile Bellew has been fighting,had a couple of tough ones but got the wins and won a world title along the way.We all know Haye can bang but will the inactivity be his downfall,has any other heavyweight who has been so inactive gone on to do anything ?.He could be hoping for an easy win and then cash out in a big heavyweight title fight,personally i think the time could be right for an upset.
Foreman done it after a 10year lay off at a,similar age. Went on to win a world title again
I doubt Haye will win a World title at a similar age to Foreman.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 15:35
by SamWise72
Talking point; at heavy, Bellew is not significantly better than De Mori
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 16:16
by nitro5912
jameswilson wrote:nitro5912 wrote:bigjack wrote:This is how i see it,Haye hasn't had a real fight for close to 5 years,he was away from the sport for 3.5 years and then came back with 2 easy knock over wins,meanwhile Bellew has been fighting,had a couple of tough ones but got the wins and won a world title along the way.We all know Haye can bang but will the inactivity be his downfall,has any other heavyweight who has been so inactive gone on to do anything ?.He could be hoping for an easy win and then cash out in a big heavyweight title fight,personally i think the time could be right for an upset.
Foreman done it after a 10year lay off at a,similar age. Went on to win a world title again
I doubt Haye will win a World title at a similar age to Foreman.
He came back at a,similar age. I think hate will win a version of a world title next year. Most likely the WBA regular world super planet version
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 16:34
by keithmoonhangover
jamesmcdonnell wrote:TheCobra wrote:emallini wrote:
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
I think the type of people who go to those shows, probably thought they got value for money.
I went to the first one and really enjoyed it. A great event.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 18:12
by jamesmcdonnell
bigjack wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Foreman was also an ATG heavyweight possessed of an incredible chin and formidable stamina and punchpower for a man of his age.
Foreman took some serious licks on the comeback trail before he won.
That's my point really,Haye hasn't taken a punch in years,even Chisora didn't catch him with anything worth taking about,so can he still take it ?,answer is,we don't know.
Haye never had the best chin anyway; at heavyweight he kind of has to avoid taking any serious shots, otherwise it's lights out.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 01 Dec 2016, 19:18
by rd350lc
jamesmcdonnell wrote:bigjack wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Foreman was also an ATG heavyweight possessed of an incredible chin and formidable stamina and punchpower for a man of his age.
Foreman took some serious licks on the comeback trail before he won.
That's my point really,Haye hasn't taken a punch in years,even Chisora didn't catch him with anything worth taking about,so can he still take it ?,answer is,we don't know.
Haye never had the best chin anyway; at heavyweight he kind of has to avoid taking any serious shots, otherwise it's lights out.
really ? I would say he has a good chin , not been on the canvas many times as a pro .
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 01:48
by Kilburn
I think if Haye were especially chinny at heavyweight then Wlad would have got him out of there with something. He stood up to a few solid whacks.
Not sure about this shoulder theory either. Regardless of the opposition, has Haye really looked like someone with an underlying issue this year while letting go with two fisted attacks?
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 08:01
by Syntax Error
TheCobra wrote:emallini wrote:TheCobra wrote:Here's my big worry with David Haye.
He's conned us along with his last 2 fights, fighting pub level fighters and blasting them out doubly quick.
Is his shoulder actually fully better or is he conning a career out of us?
Just wondering if we're gona see actually Bellew stand up to his shots for a couple of rounds then David Haye embarassingly retire with a pulled shoulder or something.
Of course it would be a dreadful, horrible thing for the sport if this does happen. Another PPV disaster for Sky. I've just got a funny feeling it might, after all this, be Haye who's actually doing the conning here. It wouldn't be his first time.
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
He didn't con any of those people.
More fool them for paying out to watch him feast on rotting corpses.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 08:12
by leejonesjnr
jamesmcdonnell wrote:bigjack wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Foreman was also an ATG heavyweight possessed of an incredible chin and formidable stamina and punchpower for a man of his age.
Foreman took some serious licks on the comeback trail before he won.
That's my point really,Haye hasn't taken a punch in years,even Chisora didn't catch him with anything worth taking about,so can he still take it ?,answer is,we don't know.
at heavyweight he kind of has to avoid taking any serious shots, otherwise it's lights out.
As does every other heavyweight.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 08:17
by jamesmcdonnell
leejonesjnr wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:bigjack wrote:
That's my point really,Haye hasn't taken a punch in years,even Chisora didn't catch him with anything worth taking about,so can he still take it ?,answer is,we don't know.
at heavyweight he kind of has to avoid taking any serious shots, otherwise it's lights out.
As does every other heavyweight.
Cobblers.
There are plenty of heavyweights who can take a serious dig from their opponents without going over.
Has Haye ever taken a single flush power shot from a heavyweight opponent, because I can't think of one.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 08:53
by TheCobra
Syntax Error wrote:TheCobra wrote:emallini wrote:
How did he con you with the last 2 fights? Did you actually think they were good fighters? How were you conneed?
He conned 10,000+ people out of ticket money at the 2 shows, I know that much!
He didn't con any of those people.
More fool them for paying out to watch him feast on rotting corpses.
The con to me was their records. Pick low level guys with good paper records who have fought in clubs, gyms, back gardens etc. Con the public with unbeaten records and high KO %.
Re: Is Haye still injured really?
Posted: 02 Dec 2016, 09:58
by J
rd350lc wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:bigjack wrote:
That's my point really,Haye hasn't taken a punch in years,even Chisora didn't catch him with anything worth taking about,so can he still take it ?,answer is,we don't know.
Haye never had the best chin anyway; at heavyweight he kind of has to avoid taking any serious shots, otherwise it's lights out.
really ? I would say he has a good chin , not been on the canvas many times as a pro .
lolenga mock, carl Thompson (a few times) mormeck, vlad..its enough