Lucky punch does exist ? Do you believe so ?

[ValMar]

Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

[crusader]

I think there are lucky punches in the sense that circumstances can fortuitously align such that the fighter who connected is unlikely to land in that manner that again

[Boxing Writer]

Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

No punch can be called lucky. One boxer has to throw a really good punch and his opponent has to make a mistake. It's not a luck for one fighter or bad luck for another one. The only case in which I'd consider KO punch to be "lucky" is if it would be landed in strange circumstances with external influence. Let's say, The Fan Man lands in the ring in Holyfield - Bowe fight on Holyfields back, which takes all Holyfield's attention, and Riddick Bowe throws the puch on defeneless Holyfield that knocks him out. That's the type of punch that I'd consider a "lucky punch".

Rahman - Lewis, JMM - Pac 4, Prescott - Khan? There were no luck in those fights. Just the good punches thrown by some guys and bad mistakes made by the others.

[BitPlayer]

Luck in that your opponent derps.

[Enlightened-One]

Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

Lucky punches almost certainly exist.

[NateJR]

I don't believe in lucky punches when it comes to boxing. When people start going on about a fighter landing a lucky punch, it's simply them making excuses to deter from another mans victory. It's all about circumstances, just like a 9th inning, game winning home run or a hailmary into the endzone for a winning touch down. It's circumstances, where both teams/individuals are what created what ultimately unfolds.

For example, the Pacquiao/Marquez fight. If Pacquiao wouldn't have gotten careless and Marquez wouldn't have thrown that beautiful counter it wouldn't have happened. At the end of the day, Pacquiao jumped in with his hands down and Marquez took full advantage of the situation. Marquez had also landed that exact same punch numerous times in their 3 previous fights, but never with Pacquiao jumping in completely defenseless with nothing but offense on his mind. Absolutely nothing lucky about that punch.

Hasim Rahmans KO of Lennox Lewis was also not a lucky punch by any stretch of the imagination. Lennox Lewis got lazy with his defense and got caught. How a fighter can land a lucky punch when it's their opponents who made the mistake for them to land the punch is beyond me? Again it's a excuse people use to deter a fighters accomplishments because they're a fan of the fighter who got KTFO out they aren't a fan of the person who scored the KO.

[squiggy]

If lucky punches don't exist, that pretty well sets boxing apart from all other human endeavors.

[littlepug]

Nah no such thing, although Benns ko over Logan was a tad fortunate !

[greg]

..I guess it depends on the definition of "luck"...I agree it's been used all too often..

[Noxy]

I don't buy the 'lucky punch' thing. I've always thought it was one of the lamer excuses in boxing

[bigjack]

I don't buy the 'lucky punch' thing. I've always thought it was one of the lamer excuses in boxing

Me too,when the sole purpose in boxing is to punch the opponent how can it be luck when you actually punch him.

[Jip]

sure does it exist. when you are leading on points by a lot, dominating and all of the sudden your opponent lands one big out of nowhere, thats lucky punch

[Jip]

crawford should now fight ildongo, maybe dongo lands another swinging left

[Tanzio]

Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

There are no lucky shots in the professional boxing ring, imo. Once the opponents step through the ropes and the bell rings every shot thrown is with a purpose even if your eyes are closed.

In the examples you list every one of the victors was throwing with the intent to inflict maximum damage. Just because the goal was realized does not make it luck. They had all trained for years to ktfo people. JMM had practiced that specific punch (often on film) for years, waiting for the moment of Planquiao.

Indongo threw a damned near perfect punch yesterday and Troyanovsky failed to avoid it. The result may have been shocking but the punch was not lucky.

[jbizzle20]

Depends on how you define lucky.

[Tanzio]

Depends on how you define lucky.

Walking along the road and finding the winning lotto ticket for $400 million is luck. Training your whole life to do something and ultimately succeeding at it is not luck.

[asdfjkl]

In the Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis fight I considered Lennox pretty lucky. He managed to hit Vitali in such a way that Vitali his skin got cut open. I'm convinced that if that didn't happen, Vitali would have won. He won most rounds, hitted most, wasn't any dizzy, nothing.

[keithmoonhangover]

No such thing. You throw a punch, it either lands of it doesn't. There is no mystical force that governs luck.

[crusader]

What about this:

There is a certain mistake that, if GGG makes it, will lead to him being knocked out. The chances of him making this mistake are exceptionally slim, and come down entirely to factors on his end, rather than what his opponent does. He doesn't do this for his first 40 bouts and wins those handily, but in preparation for his 41st bout many things go wrong for him--let's say he's mentally off due to his wife being injured in a car crash, has an unexpected onset of illness, and so on. Consquently, he's less prepared than ever, makes the mistake in the fight, and is knocked out. The guy who beat him wasn't any better than his previous opponents, and didn't do anything particularly well or intelligently; it all came down to GGG making the unlikely error against that particular opponent but not the others. GGG then regroups for the rematch and rubber match, winning both by easy KO.

Since GGG's opponent benefited from many factors not under their control, is it unreasonable to say they were lucky? Unreasonable to say that the punch landed and had such an effect in large part due to luck?

No such thing. You throw a punch, it either lands of it doesn't. There is no mystical force that governs luck.

One can also say that you decide to enter a lottery and choose particular numbers, and you either win or don't.

[crusader]

And what if somoene hasn't even trained? What if a nobody off the street is thrown into the ring with an elite, durable pro their size, and, flailing instinctively out of desperation, somehow lands an eyes to the canvas, KO haymaker that wouldn't have landed if the pro hadn't grown uncharacteristically complacent? What if that never happens again if they fight 100 more times?

Is boxing really exempt from chance?

[Lackeos]

I don't believe in lucky punches when it comes to boxing. When people start going on about a fighter landing a lucky punch, it's simply them making excuses to deter from another mans victory. It's all about circumstances, just like a 9th inning, game winning home run or a hailmary into the endzone for a winning touch down. It's circumstances, where both teams/individuals are what created what ultimately unfolds.

Fighter A was getting dominated all fight long against a much better opponent and then scored a KO with a lucky punch that normally would've missed and normally wouldn't have even knocked Fighter B out even if it did land. Fighter B wasn't even close to being KO'ed, and under ordinary circumstances, it would take another 100 punches to KO him. But this particular punch landed at a more perfect angle than Fighter A could have ever planned for, and Fighter B was caught more off-guard than Fighter A could have possibly strategized on purpose. Fighter B was moving into the momentum of the punch more perfectly than Fighter A could have ever planned. This one punch inflicted damage equal to 120 normal punches, and it wasn't necessarily Fighter A's plan for this particular punch to be any different than any of the other punches. A proper sports metaphor would be...
Team A is losing a basketball game 40 - 110. It's literally a high school team playing a college team. They've been missing close range shots all night long, and even when they do make a shot, it only counts for 2 points. Then suddenly, in the fourth quarter, they hit a cross-court shot and the scorekeeper loses his mind and awards 80 points for it and immediately declares the game to be over. At least 9 times out of 10, Team A would miss that shot, and normally even when they hit it, it only counts for 3 points. But they were lucky, not skillful, to land this shot; and for some unknown reason, it counted for 80 points instead of just 3. But they had no idea it would count for 80 points when they were heaving the shot up.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

In sport there is always something lucky happening So YES

[ValMar]

I will try to explain what I meant. So, imagine match Klitschko vs Chambers, supposing the majority of posters had been watching this fight.
Klitschko was dominant....So, change the roles, and imagine that 20 seconds before the end of 12 round, Chambers landed properly, and KOd Klitschko. Would it be a lucky punch ? I can not answer this question, because of that, I made this topic.

[Tanzio]

I will try to explain what I meant. So, imagine match Klitschko vs Chambers, supposing the majority of posters had been watching this fight.
Klitschko was dominant....So, change the roles, and imagine that 20 seconds before the end of 12 round, Chambers landed properly, and KOd Klitschko. Would it be a lucky punch ? I can not answer this question, because of that, I made this topic.

A real example is what happened in Weaver v Big John Tate. Tate had an insurmountable lead. Team Weaver knew it and Weaver went full out for the KO. He succeeded, dramatically.

Was it luck? Not in my book, but I would be willing to compromise and agree that Mike made his own luck that night. It would not have worked v someone with a decent beard.

[Tanzio]

Depends on how you define lucky.

Walking along the road and finding the winning lotto ticket for $400 million is luck. Training your whole life to do something and ultimately succeeding at it is not luck.

Looking at the floor and throwing a punch that lands is a lucky punch ,

I am going to assume that you are referring to Danny's gamechanger v Khan. If so, that was not lucky at all. Danny trained for that shot just as JMM trained for The Planquiao.