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training aside. just from pure birth given talent. who had the most talent on this list. who had the best combo of athletiscm, speed, power.

Based purely on athleticism, speed and power, Mosley and Judah would have to be the top two.

This list is a good illustration that while athleticism, speed and power are important, they aren't everything. Zab Judah was both faster and more powerful than Floyd, but Floyd's overall skill set made him a far superior boxer. That said, in their fight, Zab's superior natural gifts clearly won him the first three or four rounds, including a knockdown he wasn't credited with. Once Floyd adjusted, it became a one-sided fight.

jezzamundo wrote:Based purely on athleticism, speed and power, Mosley and Judah would have to be the top two.

This list is a good illustration that while athleticism, speed and power are important, they aren't everything. Zab Judah was both faster and more powerful than Floyd, but Floyd's overall skill set made him a far superior boxer. That said, in their fight, Zab's superior natural gifts clearly won him the first three or four rounds, including a knockdown he wasn't credited with. Once Floyd adjusted, it became a one-sided fight.

technique and training are 2 parts you aint born with and certainly floyd pushed for these 2

prety scary imagining judah having the same training regime that floyd had, what couldve been..

Jip wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:Based purely on athleticism, speed and power, Mosley and Judah would have to be the top two.

This list is a good illustration that while athleticism, speed and power are important, they aren't everything. Zab Judah was both faster and more powerful than Floyd, but Floyd's overall skill set made him a far superior boxer. That said, in their fight, Zab's superior natural gifts clearly won him the first three or four rounds, including a knockdown he wasn't credited with. Once Floyd adjusted, it became a one-sided fight.

technique and training are 2 parts you aint born with and certainly floyd pushed for these 2

prety scary imagining judah having the same training regime that floyd had, what couldve been..

While people aren't born with technique and training, they are to an extent born with the ability and intelligence to benefit from both. Zab never had the natural defensive instincts and abilities Floyd had, nor the boxing brain. Timing, counter-punching, evading/blocking punches etc can be trained, but not equally to everyone.

jezzamundo wrote:

Jip wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:Based purely on athleticism, speed and power, Mosley and Judah would have to be the top two.

This list is a good illustration that while athleticism, speed and power are important, they aren't everything. Zab Judah was both faster and more powerful than Floyd, but Floyd's overall skill set made him a far superior boxer. That said, in their fight, Zab's superior natural gifts clearly won him the first three or four rounds, including a knockdown he wasn't credited with. Once Floyd adjusted, it became a one-sided fight.

technique and training are 2 parts you aint born with and certainly floyd pushed for these 2

prety scary imagining judah having the same training regime that floyd had, what couldve been..

While people aren't born with technique and training, they are to an extent born with the ability and intelligence to benefit from both. Zab never had the natural defensive instincts and abilities Floyd had, nor the boxing brain. Timing, counter-punching, evading/blocking punches etc can be trained, but not equally to everyone.

true

Zab made the most of what he had.

Hard question to answer unless you hung around these guys when they were coming up.

Tony1244 wrote:Hard question to answer unless you hung around these guys when they were coming up.

True. It just becomes an athleticism call otherwise.

Raw talent and athleticism I'm going with Zab Judah. Born with incredible speed, power, and reflexes. If he would have been disciplined and dedicated, he could have been a P4P champion, IMO. He just lost focus way too much. It's not hard to imagine his training suffered from the same lack of focus he displayed in many of his fights.

I'll always remember his first four rounds vs Floyd. I can't remember anyone who was not a pressure fighter/brawler giving Floyd that much trouble. Then once Floyd started finding his timing, Judah completely fell apart.

Probably Mosley, just because he had the strength and endurance to be legendary but he just didn't take the technique part as seriously as he should have.

Raw talent all these guy's had long amateur career's so we missed seeing the really raw untapped talent that would have been on display but seeing how things have panned out for all except Lom who's just wet his feet in the pro game..............i'd have to say the guy with the most potential/raw talent must have been Floyd you cannot even land 2 solid punch's on the guy these day's his hand eye coordination is unbelievable even though I would love to see someone like Pacman take his 0 Floyd Mayweather was born to fight.