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Probably Allen being out of shape, he took the fight on short notice. Only a few weeks ago he weighed around 19 stone I believe, and he's not exactly the tallest heavyweight

The risk of Allen taking a 12 round beating, is not worth the risk to his health, or for the entertainment value of the undercard.

This is the right decision.

Horse wrote:The risk of Allen taking a 12 round beating, is not worth the risk to his health, or for the entertainment value of the undercard.

This is the right decision.

Agreed. Allen has zero chance of winning this. Absolutely zero. Obviously got balls for taking it but I'm not sure his management, if he has any, should have accepted it on his behalf.

As a fan I'd have wanted Hearn to get a better opponent than this although it has to be recognised that Ortiz is hardly a cash cow in terms of a draw and stank the joint out just a few weeks ago to top it off!

fizzjambo wrote:

Horse wrote:The risk of Allen taking a 12 round beating, is not worth the risk to his health, or for the entertainment value of the undercard.

This is the right decision.

Agreed. Allen has zero chance of winning this. Absolutely zero. Obviously got balls for taking it but I'm not sure his management, if he has any, should have accepted it on his behalf.

As a fan I'd have wanted Hearn to get a better opponent than this although it has to be recognised that Ortiz is hardly a cash cow in terms of a draw and stank the joint out just a few weeks ago to top it off!

The BBBoC get all high and mighty about Chisora flipping a table yet they're happy to sanction a gross mismatch like this. Inept.

Ricky_ wrote:The BBBoC get all high and mighty about Chisora flipping a table yet they're happy to sanction a gross mismatch like this. Inept.

Indeed.

Allen's corner and the referee should be ready to pull him out if he's starts shipping too much punishment.

Its not the worse fight ever to happen on British shores and being on the undercard seems reasonable I suppose. Of course its a mismatch in the grossest of terms and expect it to be a 1 rounder not 8 so it doesnt matter what the limit is set at. I doubt Allen will get a beating as such as its gonna be quick. inside 2 minutes infact.

mimmy123 wrote:Its not the worse fight ever to happen on British shores and being on the undercard seems reasonable I suppose. Of course its a mismatch in the grossest of terms and expect it to be a 1 rounder not 8 so it doesnt matter what the limit is set at. I doubt Allen will get a beating as such as its gonna be quick. inside 2 minutes infact.

You think so Mimmy? Allen seems to have a bit of toughness and takes a good dig from what i've seen of him, i'm worried he hangs around for a while and takes a beating.

I don't think it's going to be over as quick as people are making out.

Surely Allen isn't going to be stupid enough to jump in there and try to go toe to toe with him from the off?

Ricky_ wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:Its not the worse fight ever to happen on British shores and being on the undercard seems reasonable I suppose. Of course its a mismatch in the grossest of terms and expect it to be a 1 rounder not 8 so it doesnt matter what the limit is set at. I doubt Allen will get a beating as such as its gonna be quick. inside 2 minutes infact.

You think so Mimmy? Allen seems to have a bit of toughness and takes a good dig from what i've seen of him, i'm worried he hangs around for a while and takes a beating.

Ive not seen Ortiz fight much but many seem to think hes the hardest hitter out there. There is nothing on his (Allen) record to suggest a long fight. There is no evidence of anything to note, a points loss to Whyte is the only thing I can see. Ortiz has many good fights on his record. I just cant see it going far at all. Im going to have a fiver on the first round along with AJ in 2 rounds in an accumilater

The only thing I see is a good point on allens record is that he's from Conisbrough.

Must be a good pay day for Allen. If Ortiz is world class Allen doesn't have any hope of winning, but if he manages to last the course that gives him another selling point. The 8 round distance is a good decision.

Its a bad fight to make. Matchroom are desperate top show off the talent of Ortiz and must have been bitterly dissapointed with the Monaco fight. They have obviously decided they can't chance him not getting a highlight reel knockout this time and have made this mismatch.

Considering how boring both these fighters last outings were, the shorter this fight is, the better.
They can make it a four rounder if they want.

Ortiz went 12 only 4 weeks ago, Allen is leagues apart from Ortiz. They both get an outing, both get a pay day.
The fans get a fight.
Every fight doesn't need to be part of a title chase.

As far as mismatches go many of Wilders and Joshuas fights have been worse. I guess Ortiz will stop Allen in four.

keirw wrote:Considering how boring both these fighters last outings were, the shorter this fight is, the better.
They can make it a four rounder if they want.

To be fair Malik Scott was non participatory in that fight and made it the non event.

I still haven't got over how bad Ortiz vs Malik Scott was. Malik showed up Ortiz for what he might be in that fight, i.e. overrated and very slow.

Allens going to be an easy target for Ortiz.

Jennings who Ortiz absolutely smashed is leagues above Allen and also leagues above anyone Joshua has faced.

It should be a decent payday for Allen. Hes never going to be a world beater so fights like this dont come often. Im sure Allen has the sence to go down when and if the punches are more than he can physically deal with.

Im not sure why Allen was chosen when there are a lot of eastern block fodder out there that could give Ortiz a few rounds. Saying that ive never been a fan of outsiders coming in and stealing work that British lads can have. But im sure there are tougher in tbe UK. Im not really giving Allen any credit, but ive only seen him once before and thats been quickly forgotten. He will get paid and be home by 11.

BillyTKid wrote:Its a bad fight to make. Matchroom are desperate top show off the talent of Ortiz and must have been bitterly dissapointed with the Monaco fight. They have obviously decided they can't chance him not getting a highlight reel knockout this time and have made this mismatch.

Nothing wrong with showcasing a new signing and giving him what should be an easy outing 4 weeks after his last one. There seems to be a lot of emphasis here on every outing being against a name fighter.
Promoters promote, the general public is watching, they are the numbers the promoters want to draw back in. I don't see what the surprise or disappointment is here.
Everyone on this board has watched boxing long enough to see what's going on here. It's not being put on for the benefit of those who closely follow boxing.
I do agree with your post, its not a great fight, I'm more pointing to the fact we shouldn't be surprised or upset about it as a match, because we know better.
It was either this or Ortiz waits however many months for his next fight, which Matchroom (being in the business of making money) aren't about to postpone the movement of money for.

pablothunder wrote:It was either this or Ortiz waits however many months for his next fight, which Matchroom (being in the business of making money) aren't about to postpone the movement of money for.

Why is it Allen or nothing?

Allen will mess Ortiz about if Ortiz is as slow as he was against Scott, pretty poor match up though

It must be a shape thing, I think there have been worst challenges for the intercontinental thing that Ortiz won last time. I expected that to be on the line.

I'll piss myself if Ortiz puts in a poor performance again and Allen gives him a tough time .

Good, even that will be very punishing for Allen if he somehow go can that long. If anything it maybe should have been 6.

Horse wrote:

pablothunder wrote:It was either this or Ortiz waits however many months for his next fight, which Matchroom (being in the business of making money) aren't about to postpone the movement of money for.

Why is it Allen or nothing?

It was going to be a comparable level fighter surely. All about the price and availability. Higher ranking fighters would be less likely to risk their ranking on such short notice and one may possibly assume the money on offer to risk the ranking wouldn't exactly be sky high.