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What do you think about ? Without trolling, please !

Either that or Chisora is on the slide.

Parker vs Whyte

That is the fight I want to see next

i think Whyte is unskillfull fighter with strong chin. Andy Ruiz is more interesting boxer.

NO

Not even close...

You can never be sure from one fight whether the higher ranked guy was overrated, whether the lower ranked guy was underrated, or a mixture of both. I've always believed that Chisora was top 10, and that Whyte was underrated, but without a lot of evidence to back it up. After this fight, I think the safest course of action is to rank each of them at about #10-14 until there is further evidence to go on. Let's not forget that Chisora stopped Malik Scott, competed on close terms with Pulev, and beat a variety of gatekeepers like KJ, Pala and Gerber. Whyte was quite competitive with Joshua, unlike Martin and Molina, who was laughably ranked #10 on boxrec.

To get specific, I think there are 8 fighters who belong clearly above Chisora and Whyte (Fury, Wlad, Ortiz, Wilder, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Haye), and there are two who belong in a similar class (Takam, Jennings). So if it were my own ratings, I would probably put Whyte at #10 and Chisora at #11.

Lackeos wrote:You can never be sure from one fight whether the higher ranked guy was overrated, whether the lower ranked guy was underrated, or a mixture of both. I've always believed that Chisora was top 10, and that Whyte was underrated, but without a lot of evidence to back it up. After this fight, I think the safest course of action is to rank each of them at about #10-14 until there is further evidence to go on. Let's not forget that Chisora stopped Malik Scott, competed on close terms with Pulev, and beat a variety of gatekeepers like KJ, Pala and Gerber. Whyte was quite competitive with Joshua, unlike Martin and Molina, who was laughably ranked #10 on boxrec.

To get specific, I think there are 8 fighters who belong clearly above Chisora and Whyte (Fury, Wlad, Ortiz, Wilder, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Haye), and there are two who belong in a similar class (Takam, Jennings). So if it were my own ratings, I would probably put Whyte at #10 and Chisora at #11.

100% everything you said

1. joshua
2. ortiz
3. wilder
4. klitschko
5. povetkin
6. parker
7. pulev
8. haye
9. duhaupas
10. browne

this would be my top 10. no, whyte doesnt belong in there. look, even guys like duhaupas or browne, they beat quality opponents, one beat mike perez and artur splizka, the other beat manuel charr and ko'd helenius. whyte did not much compared to that, he lost to josh and had a very close fight with chisora, with a lot of people say he lost too and aside from josh and chisora he faced nobodys. whyte is 10-20

Not quite, a solid win though. Chisora is definitely on the decline,but he's still a decent fighter.

ValMar wrote:What do you think about ? Without trolling, please !

No he doesn't.

Still a work in progress.

Jip wrote:1. joshua
2. ortiz
3. wilder
4. klitschko
5. povetkin
6. parker
7. pulev
8. haye
9. duhaupas
10. browne

this would be my top 10. no, whyte doesnt belong in there. look, even guys like duhaupas or browne, they beat quality opponents, one beat mike perez and artur splizka, the other beat manuel charr and ko'd helenius. whyte did not much compared to that, he lost to josh and had a very close fight with chisora, with a lot of people say he lost too and aside from josh and chisora he faced nobodys. whyte is 10-20

How can Joshua, Wilder and Ortiz be above Wlad and Povetkin?

BitPlayer wrote:

Jip wrote:1. joshua
2. ortiz
3. wilder
4. klitschko
5. povetkin
6. parker
7. pulev
8. haye
9. duhaupas
10. browne

this would be my top 10. no, whyte doesnt belong in there. look, even guys like duhaupas or browne, they beat quality opponents, one beat mike perez and artur splizka, the other beat manuel charr and ko'd helenius. whyte did not much compared to that, he lost to josh and had a very close fight with chisora, with a lot of people say he lost too and aside from josh and chisora he faced nobodys. whyte is 10-20

How can Joshua, Wilder and Ortiz be above Wlad and Povetkin?

stupid question. but ill answer

wlad fought 0 times in 2016, isnt even listed on boxrec anymore, lost his last fight and never looked impressiv since 2015.

povetkin is a 6'2 guy who wouldnt stand a chance against those tall punchers. struggling with a cruiserweight in huck. taking drugs. the last 4 guys he fought wach, perez, charr and takam arent more impressiv than what ortiz, josh and wilder have been fighting.

Jip wrote:stupid question. but ill answer

wlad fought 0 times in 2016, isnt even listed on boxrec anymore, lost his last fight and never looked impressiv since 2015.

povetkin is a 6'2 guy who wouldnt stand a chance against those tall punchers. struggling with a cruiserweight in huck. taking drugs. the last 4 guys he fought wach, perez, charr and takam arent more impressiv than what ortiz, josh and wilder have been fighting.

Will the Current Scene ever be free from these worthless trolls?

Horse wrote: worthless trolls

No comment.

Jip wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Jip wrote:1. joshua
2. ortiz
3. wilder
4. klitschko
5. povetkin
6. parker
7. pulev
8. haye
9. duhaupas
10. browne

this would be my top 10. no, whyte doesnt belong in there. look, even guys like duhaupas or browne, they beat quality opponents, one beat mike perez and artur splizka, the other beat manuel charr and ko'd helenius. whyte did not much compared to that, he lost to josh and had a very close fight with chisora, with a lot of people say he lost too and aside from josh and chisora he faced nobodys. whyte is 10-20

How can Joshua, Wilder and Ortiz be above Wlad and Povetkin?

stupid question. but ill answer

wlad fought 0 times in 2016, isnt even listed on boxrec anymore, lost his last fight and never looked impressiv since 2015.

povetkin is a 6'2 guy who wouldnt stand a chance against those tall punchers. struggling with a cruiserweight in huck. taking drugs. the last 4 guys he fought wach, perez, charr and takam arent more impressiv than what ortiz, josh and wilder have been fighting.

What Arreolla, Molina, Breazeale, Scott?

I'd say Whyte is on the fringe of being top 10, but probably just outside. Pulev beat Chisora far more convincingly. Chisora remains a real litmus test for anyone who wants to prove themselves a top contender.

Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

Dereck Chisora wasn't rated anywhere near the top ten prior to last night's first fight, with Dillian Whyte only emerging victorious by the smallest of margins.

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

Dereck Chisora wasn't rated anywhere near the top ten prior to last night's first fight, with Dillian Whyte only emerging victorious by the smallest of margins.

To answer your question (while I don't consider Whyte to be Top 10) - I'd say that given the lack of top fighters facing each other, it has to be pretty common these days to have boxers ranked in the Top 10 who haven't defeated a Top 10 opponent. Perhaps that's not how it should be, but it's the way it is.

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

It happens all of the time.

Joshua hasn't beaten a top 10 ranked fighter and he's in the top 10.

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

Dereck Chisora wasn't rated anywhere near the top ten prior to last night's first fight, with Dillian Whyte only emerging victorious by the smallest of margins.

Inthe forum rankings he was top 15 so that's pretty close to top 10.

Horse wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

It happens all of the time.

Joshua hasn't beaten a top 10 ranked fighter and he's in the top 10.

I would have preferred that you address my entire post not an individual extract, since individual sentences in isolation might not truly reflect the point I intended to make.

For instance:

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

Dereck Chisora wasn't rated anywhere near the top ten prior to last night's first fight, with Dillian Whyte only emerging victorious by the smallest of margins.

Enlightened-One wrote:I would have preferred that you address my entire post not an individual extract, since individual sentences in isolation might not truly reflect the point I intended to make.

For instance:

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

Dereck Chisora wasn't rated anywhere near the top ten prior to last night's first fight, with Dillian Whyte only emerging victorious by the smallest of margins.

I don't care what you want.

The rest of your post did nothing to make the initial question any less foolish.

Horse wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:I would have preferred that you address my entire post not an individual extract, since individual sentences in isolation might not truly reflect the point I intended to make.

For instance:

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when do we award top ten world ratings to men that have never defeated a top ten rated opponent?

Dereck Chisora wasn't rated anywhere near the top ten prior to last night's first fight, with Dillian Whyte only emerging victorious by the smallest of margins.

I don't care what you want.

The rest of your post did nothing to make the initial question any less foolish.

Going back to your previous point, Anthony Joshua defeated Charles Martin, who was ranked 9th by The Ring.

Horse wrote:Joshua hasn't beaten a top 10 ranked fighter and he's in the top 10.

Enlightened-One wrote:Going back to your previous point, Anthony Joshua defeated Charles Martin, who was ranked 9th by The Ring.

Martin was never a legitimate top 10 ranked heavyweight.

The Ring's rankings are wack.

Horse wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Going back to your previous point, Anthony Joshua defeated Charles Martin, who was ranked 9th by The Ring.

Martin was never a legitimate top 10 ranked heavyweight.

The Ring's rankings are wack.