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Boxing doesn't need these drastic changes to it's scoring system. They just need to make one small, no cost, change to the current scoring system and the reliability of these decisions will be ten times more successful.

All that Boxing needs to do is push these judges to score more uneventful rounds as even rounds, 10-10. When was the last time you saw a scorecard with a 10-10 round? These bad decisions that we are seeing and have been seeing for years are a result of these judges having to award a round to one of the boxers. If an obvious winner of a round can not be determined then it should be scored as even. Boxers should have to do more to earn a round than they are doing right now. We are seeing rounds with less than 5 punches landed by both guys being awarded to someone. These are the kind of rounds killing the integrity of the final numbers.

This is such an easy change and comes without a monetary cost. With more 10-10 rounds, I feel that the reliability of decisions would improve by 80%. There will always be bad and shady decisions but I think fans will be way more satisfied with the final scores.

caldo2025 wrote:Boxing doesn't need these drastic changes to it's scoring system. They just need to make one small, no cost, change to the current scoring system and the reliability of these decisions will be ten times more successful.

All that Boxing needs to do is push these judges to score more uneventful rounds as even rounds, 10-10. When was the last time you saw a scorecard with a 10-10 round? These bad decisions that we are seeing and have been seeing for years are a result of these judges having to award a round to one of the boxers. If an obvious winner of a round can not be determined then it should be scored as even. Boxers should have to do more to earn a round than they are doing right now. We are seeing rounds with less than 5 punches landed by both guys being awarded to someone. These are the kind of rounds killing the integrity of the final numbers.

This is such an easy change and comes without a monetary cost. With more 10-10 rounds, I feel that the reliability of decisions would improve by 80%. There will always be bad and shady decisions but I think fans will be way more satisfied with the final scores.

You don't understand: when those judges WANT one of fighters to win, they will make it happen with any rules unless that fighter gets stopped or dropped 5 times.

caldo2025 wrote: With more 10-10 rounds, I feel that the reliability of decisions would improve by 80%. There will always be bad and shady decisions but I think fans will be way more satisfied with the final scores.

You crazy?

How are they going to fleece the gamblers then ?
You think it's easy to steal while making it look legit and respectable?
It's HARD WORK and DEDICATION.
It took years of trials and errors before getting it right.
And now you want to dismantle it?

I don't think this would be as effective as you think for mitigating controversy. Right now, if Fighter A wins a round by a single punch, there is one universal way to score that round; the fact that there is so much variance between people scoring it falls on their own incompetence. But with what you're proposing, fighter A could win a round by 2-5 punches, and it would be highly subjective whether that is more of a 10-9 or a 10-10 round. It used to be that we might come up with a different score if the round was won by 0-2 punches, or if one of our judgments was off by 0-2 punches. But with what you're proposing, the gray area starts with one fighter winning the round by 6 punches, ends with the other fighter winning the round by 6 punches, and is modified by our own variances in assessing the margin of victory (i.e. I thought fighter A won by 7 punches, so obvious 10-9 round, but you thought fighter A won by 4 punches, so possible 10-10 round). So at that rate, a round is not just subjective if it is with +2 punches, it is subjective if it is within +7 punches.

Lackeos wrote:I don't think this would be as effective as you think for mitigating controversy. Right now, if Fighter A wins a round by a single punch, there is one universal way to score that round; the fact that there is so much variance between people scoring it falls on their own incompetence. But with what you're proposing, fighter A could win a round by 2-5 punches, and it would be highly subjective whether that is more of a 10-9 or a 10-10 round. It used to be that we might come up with a different score if the round was won by 0-2 punches, or if one of our judgments was off by 0-2 punches. But with what you're proposing, the gray area starts with one fighter winning the round by 6 punches, ends with the other fighter winning the round by 6 punches, and is modified by our own variances in assessing the margin of victory (i.e. I thought fighter A won by 7 punches, so obvious 10-9 round, but you thought fighter A won by 4 punches, so possible 10-10 round). So at that rate, a round is not just subjective if it is with +2 punches, it is subjective if it is within +7 punches.

I think that it's safe to say that most judges are not keeping punch stats like you illustrate above. You are caught up in these make believe punch stats HBO and SHO come up with that is in itself subjective. There's more that goes into judging than punch stats according to the rules. Boxers are "supposed" to get credit for effective aggression, clean and also effective punches as well as defense. So it's not about number of punches, it's how effective were those punches and who dictated the pace and commanded his gameplan successfully on the other boxer in a round.

What kills these fights in most cases are the first couple feel out rounds where nothing happens. That first round is just as important as the last so judges should put as much care into scoring it than they do the last and i will guarantee that they don't. The key is "obviously winning a round" though. A fight should be awarded to the boxer that clearly and obviously won the most rounds (barring any additional points coming into play). What's happening now, the fight is being awarded to the fighter that was given more of the even rounds. That's a fact. You can't tell me that every round in a fight should have a winner declared. At some point in a fight, a judge is GIVING away a round to someone. Just giving points due to crowd noise...personal preference or style. That's not declaring who necessarily wins a fight. Scoring ONE single round as a tie, could get a lot of these decisions right. One point is huge and too important to just give it away undeservingly. Make em earn it.

I think the whole scoring system should be remade.

Why should a round, where a fighter gets battered (but not knocked down) count the same (9-10), as a very, very close round?

Why should an light off-balance knockdown (10-8) count more than a round, where the other fighter gets battered?

caldo2025 wrote:Boxing doesn't need these drastic changes to it's scoring system. They just need to make one small, no cost, change to the current scoring system and the reliability of these decisions will be ten times more successful.

All that Boxing needs to do is push these judges to score more uneventful rounds as even rounds, 10-10. When was the last time you saw a scorecard with a 10-10 round? These bad decisions that we are seeing and have been seeing for years are a result of these judges having to award a round to one of the boxers. If an obvious winner of a round can not be determined then it should be scored as even. Boxers should have to do more to earn a round than they are doing right now. We are seeing rounds with less than 5 punches landed by both guys being awarded to someone. These are the kind of rounds killing the integrity of the final numbers.

This is such an easy change and comes without a monetary cost. With more 10-10 rounds, I feel that the reliability of decisions would improve by 80%. There will always be bad and shady decisions but I think fans will be way more satisfied with the final scores.

same as i pointed out, i want more even rounds, you totaly right. i said it years ago. maidana-floyd, pacquiao-floyd, kovalev-ward, so many fights were there are many 10:10 rds, because both did nothing or both landed about the exact same amount of punches. many rds i score in so many fight are even rds, because i want to make it fair the both boxer and not favour one.

You can't a judge score a round 10-10. They still can give a fighter a 10-9 round because it could be clear in there eyes.

Yeh, more 10/10 rounds would be nice.
I don't think it would cause more draws.
Don't think more draws would be a bad thing.

caldo2025 wrote:Boxing doesn't need these drastic changes to it's scoring system. They just need to make one small, no cost, change to the current scoring system and the reliability of these decisions will be ten times more successful.

All that Boxing needs to do is push these judges to score more uneventful rounds as even rounds, 10-10. When was the last time you saw a scorecard with a 10-10 round? These bad decisions that we are seeing and have been seeing for years are a result of these judges having to award a round to one of the boxers. If an obvious winner of a round can not be determined then it should be scored as even. Boxers should have to do more to earn a round than they are doing right now. We are seeing rounds with less than 5 punches landed by both guys being awarded to someone. These are the kind of rounds killing the integrity of the final numbers.

This is such an easy change and comes without a monetary cost. With more 10-10 rounds, I feel that the reliability of decisions would improve by 80%. There will always be bad and shady decisions but I think fans will be way more satisfied with the final scores.

You are overlooking the fact that the boxing judges are corrupt. Bought and paid for. Ka-ching. All 3 Las Vegas judges gave round ten to Ward. Nuff said.

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caldo2025 wrote:Boxing doesn't need these drastic changes to it's scoring system. They just need to make one small, no cost, change to the current scoring system and the reliability of these decisions will be ten times more successful.

All that Boxing needs to do is push these judges to score more uneventful rounds as even rounds, 10-10. When was the last time you saw a scorecard with a 10-10 round? These bad decisions that we are seeing and have been seeing for years are a result of these judges having to award a round to one of the boxers. If an obvious winner of a round can not be determined then it should be scored as even. Boxers should have to do more to earn a round than they are doing right now. We are seeing rounds with less than 5 punches landed by both guys being awarded to someone. These are the kind of rounds killing the integrity of the final numbers.

This is such an easy change and comes without a monetary cost. With more 10-10 rounds, I feel that the reliability of decisions would improve by 80%. There will always be bad and shady decisions but I think fans will be way more satisfied with the final scores.

same as i pointed out, i want more even rounds, you totaly right. i said it years ago. maidana-floyd, pacquiao-floyd, kovalev-ward, so many fights were there are many 10:10 rds, because both did nothing or both landed about the exact same amount of punches. many rds i score in so many fight are even rds, because i want to make it fair the both boxer and not favour one.

Right? I mean we aren't talking about a complete makeover here. You can't get this done with a freaking memo to Judges. Simple. We've got guys winning even rounds due to crowd noise. Cheering determining a winner of a fight. That's fair.

You are so right. Floyd made millions and millions off even rounds. He didn't lose many of those rounds, that's for sure