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“Double standards, no doubt about it. Here’s an example – the investigation over Povetkin and meldonium lasted for nearly six months. It took only several days to settle down Stiverne’s case.

“The key question is why are we getting positive test results? They all repeatedly prove negative in all other laboratories, including the US lab, except for one random sample that we get immediately prior to the fight. Don’t want to jump to conclusions; just want to say it’s a strange coincidence."

“To assert that he has ingested something [prohibited] is simply impossible. Theoretically, I can assume that this substance turned up in his test accidentally. This happens sometimes. At least Stiverne, when he was cleared and allowed to fight, used this phrasing, saying that the [prohibited] substance turned up in his system accidentally,” he said.

“This is not normal practice, it’s very strange,” Ryabinsky said. “It’s the second time that right before the fight, all of a sudden, we get a ‘dirty’ test result – one and only, with all others coming clean. This happened before the fight with Wilder, when there had been five tests, and the fourth allegedly turned out to be dirty, while the fifth came out clean again. In the long run, Povetkin was acquitted, but the bout with Wilder was cancelled. Looks like history is repeating itself with Stiverne right now." from boxing scene


Indeed it's quite fishy how Povetkin is getting roadblocks in his way to Wilder's wbc title everytime ? Are vada and wbc Haymon's best friends ?

Absolutely shocking that Pedvetkin's promoter is not convinced that Pedvetkin tested positive for peds Who could see that coming?

Tanzio wrote:Absolutely shocking that Pedvetkin's promoter is not convinced that Pedvetkin tested positive for peds Who could see that coming?

How many mistakes can you make lol.

Povetkin's team has allways been right, no matter how many times the Americans claimed he was wrong. Why would it be any differend this time?

asdfjkl wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Absolutely shocking that Pedvetkin's promoter is not convinced that Pedvetkin tested positive for peds Who could see that coming?

How many mistakes can you make lol.

Povetkin's team has allways been right, no matter how many times the Americans claimed he was wrong. Why would it be any differend this time?

Just keep on bobbing

If Povetkin's B-sample comes back negative, then someone is going to get sued.

Tanzio wrote:Absolutely shocking that Pedvetkin's promoter is not convinced that Pedvetkin tested positive for peds Who could see that coming?

Next thing you'll hear is a defense attorney will say his guy didn't do it.

When did anyone own up to using PED'S

Tanzio wrote:Absolutely shocking that Pedvetkin's promoter is not convinced that Pedvetkin tested positive for peds Who could see that coming?

Right... Especially since Povetkin was acquitted last time they accused him of being positive -- and they were forced to change their tune and admit Povetkin passed all of his tests... This is more bullcrap from VADA who regularly finds foreign fighters haven't passed to the amazement of the boxers. They're trying to keep the major Boxing venues over here and don't want to see them slowly transferred overseas... So just before a fight they come in with crap like this.

Tony1244 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Absolutely shocking that Pedvetkin's promoter is not convinced that Pedvetkin tested positive for peds Who could see that coming?

Next thing you'll hear is a defense attorney will say his guy didn't do it.

VADA may need a defense attorney before long... This bullcrap is getting ridiculous.

just like stevenson floyd garcia etc it is quite clear wilder is being protected by haymon via corruption - haymon is desperate to preserve his potential cash cow as the modern age primo carnera fraud - ryabinsky has the $ to fight this out -

you have to realize king and haymon have an alliance and haymon is the one calling the shots for stiverne - king had the alliance with allegedly and was the shadow controller of frank bruno vs tyson in the rematch - there are countless examples -

montrealsuper wrote:you have to realize king and haymon have an alliance and haymon is the one calling the shots for stiverne - king had the alliance with allegedly and was the shadow controller of frank bruno vs tyson in the rematch - there are countless examples -

Whilst it seems that Don King and Al Haymon have a good working relationship, there’s no evidence to suggest that the PBC boss is currently calling the shots for the elderly promoters’ fighters.

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:you have to realize king and haymon have an alliance and haymon is the one calling the shots for stiverne - king had the alliance with allegedly and was the shadow controller of frank bruno vs tyson in the rematch - there are countless examples -

Whilst it seems that Don King and Al Haymon have a good working relationship, there’s no evidence to suggest that the PBC boss is currently calling the shots for the elderly promoters’ fighters.

Stiverne tanks to Wilder then who is Wilder's first defense against? King's fighter molina Then at that press conference king actually says that stiverne transferred the title to wilder now haymon needs stiverne again this time to try to knock off povetkin - of course they used the drug test trick again to prevent povetkin from having the chance to beat stiverne - stiverne is being sub contracted by haymon through king - king has zero leverage in the sport these days and his happy to serve as haymons subordinate

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:you have to realize king and haymon have an alliance and haymon is the one calling the shots for stiverne - king had the alliance with allegedly and was the shadow controller of frank bruno vs tyson in the rematch - there are countless examples -

Whilst it seems that Don King and Al Haymon have a good working relationship, there’s no evidence to suggest that the PBC boss is currently calling the shots for the elderly promoters’ fighters.

Stiverne tanks to Wilder then who is Wilder's first defense against? King's fighter molina Then at that press conference king actually says that stiverne transferred the title to wilder now haymon needs stiverne again this time to try to knock off povetkin - of course they used the drug test trick again to prevent povetkin from having the chance to beat stiverne - stiverne is being sub contracted by haymon through king - king has zero leverage in the sport these days and his happy to serve as haymons subordinate

Please provide evidence to support each element of your conspiracy theory, because I’m unfamiliar with the events that you claim to have taken place (or at least the way you described them).

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:you have to realize king and haymon have an alliance and haymon is the one calling the shots for stiverne - king had the alliance with allegedly and was the shadow controller of frank bruno vs tyson in the rematch - there are countless examples -

Whilst it seems that Don King and Al Haymon have a good working relationship, there’s no evidence to suggest that the PBC boss is currently calling the shots for the elderly promoters’ fighters.

Stiverne tanks to Wilder then who is Wilder's first defense against? King's fighter molina Then at that press conference king actually says that stiverne transferred the title to wilder now haymon needs stiverne again this time to try to knock off povetkin - of course they used the drug test trick again to prevent povetkin from having the chance to beat stiverne - stiverne is being sub contracted by haymon through king - king has zero leverage in the sport these days and his happy to serve as haymons subordinate

I won't be surprised if this is true. Wilder is having too much voluntary defenses.

apollo creed wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Whilst it seems that Don King and Al Haymon have a good working relationship, there’s no evidence to suggest that the PBC boss is currently calling the shots for the elderly promoters’ fighters.

Stiverne tanks to Wilder then who is Wilder's first defense against? King's fighter molina Then at that press conference king actually says that stiverne transferred the title to wilder now haymon needs stiverne again this time to try to knock off povetkin - of course they used the drug test trick again to prevent povetkin from having the chance to beat stiverne - stiverne is being sub contracted by haymon through king - king has zero leverage in the sport these days and his happy to serve as haymons subordinate

I won't be surprised if this is true. Wilder is having too much voluntary defenses.

Yes the powers that be desperately want a black american KO machine that they can sell to the public - they are trying to manufacture wilder into a counterfeit super hero via fixing protection and corruption (the Carnera model) - do you really think the ultra greedy al haymon is going to take any chances in blowing up this grand scheme by risking wilder to losing to povetkin or one of his handpicked patsies? Absolutely not - they will do ANYTHING to get rid of povetkin - ANYTHING

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: Stiverne tanks to Wilder then who is Wilder's first defense against? King's fighter molina Then at that press conference king actually says that stiverne transferred the title to wilder now haymon needs stiverne again this time to try to knock off povetkin - of course they used the drug test trick again to prevent povetkin from having the chance to beat stiverne - stiverne is being sub contracted by haymon through king - king has zero leverage in the sport these days and his happy to serve as haymons subordinate

I won't be surprised if this is true. Wilder is having too much voluntary defenses.

Yes the powers that be desperately want a black american KO machine that they can sell to the public - they are trying to manufacture wilder into a counterfeit super hero via fixing protection and corruption (the Carnera model) - do you really think the ultra greedy al haymon is going to take any chances in blowing up this grand scheme by risking wilder to losing to povetkin or one of his handpicked patsies? Absolutely not - they will do ANYTHING to get rid of povetkin - ANYTHING

Explain why they were telling Stiverne Tuesday before the fight if he backs out they already have a replacement. The facts certainly point to team Povetkin already knowing they would test dirty. Wilder and Haymon have nothing to do with Povetkin testing dirty, or Stiverne. Get a grip.

Badhusker wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:
I won't be surprised if this is true. Wilder is having too much voluntary defenses.

Yes the powers that be desperately want a black american KO machine that they can sell to the public - they are trying to manufacture wilder into a counterfeit super hero via fixing protection and corruption (the Carnera model) - do you really think the ultra greedy al haymon is going to take any chances in blowing up this grand scheme by risking wilder to losing to povetkin or one of his handpicked patsies? Absolutely not - they will do ANYTHING to get rid of povetkin - ANYTHING

Explain why they were telling Stiverne Tuesday before the fight if he backs out they already have a replacement. The facts certainly point to team Povetkin already knowing they would test dirty. Wilder and Haymon have nothing to do with Povetkin testing dirty, or Stiverne. Get a grip.

You can't trust VADA.. They admitted they were wrong when they accused Povetkin of testing "adversely" for Meldonium... He didn't... VADA is a rip off of WADA.. They're the keystone cops and they're a group of criminals running a scam.. They cut deals with the WBC to force boxers to take their "voluntary" tests.. Then they tell boxers they're positive for this PED or that, for which they probably have only an allowable trace amount, but let them skate for a fine or "donations" which they can go ahead and fight if it's paid promptly.

Anyone bring up Stivern's test is either uninformed or dishonest.

The difference is Stivern tested positive fairly common stinulant, banned for it's health risks. Povetkin tested positive for something similar to anabolic steroids.

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: Stiverne tanks to Wilder then who is Wilder's first defense against? King's fighter molina Then at that press conference king actually says that stiverne transferred the title to wilder now haymon needs stiverne again this time to try to knock off povetkin - of course they used the drug test trick again to prevent povetkin from having the chance to beat stiverne - stiverne is being sub contracted by haymon through king - king has zero leverage in the sport these days and his happy to serve as haymons subordinate

I won't be surprised if this is true. Wilder is having too much voluntary defenses.

Yes the powers that be desperately want a black american KO machine that they can sell to the public - they are trying to manufacture wilder into a counterfeit super hero via fixing protection and corruption (the Carnera model) - do you really think the ultra greedy al haymon is going to take any chances in blowing up this grand scheme by risking wilder to losing to povetkin or one of his handpicked patsies? Absolutely not - they will do ANYTHING to get rid of povetkin - ANYTHING

Have mercy on that poor keyboard, warrior.

Stiverne got caught cheating with an illegal drug - period - end of discussion

Povetkin's promoter takes Povetkin's side? Get outta here

I think it's very plausible and reasonable to suspect a WBC/Haymon/King alliance just like the WBC/King alliance of the 90s - we KNOW these sanctioning bodies are corrupt and have always shown they can be bought - And we KNOW how haymon operates and he is as corrupt and manipulative as any crooked boxing figure in history - Floyd's fraud career from 2006-2015 is your evidence

European fighters have some rabid fans.