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Smith Ko'd Hopkins, but I suspect skullduggery was at had with two of the judges as one had Hopkins up by a point and the other hab Smith up by a point with a few rounds to go to seal the fix.

Am I wrong to assume this?

67-66 Smith felt like an OK card to me at the time..

It wouldn't have surprised me tbh.

If DLH was the promoter, then yes.

Of course they were.

No, I think Smith was ahead on the 3 cards.

Smith was up on 2 of the 3 cards, and hadn't yet built what I'd consider an insurmountable lead through 7 rounds, but the knockdown whether Hopkins got up and continued or not would've given Smith an insurmountable lead to me.

pound per pound wrote:Smith Ko'd Hopkins, but I suspect skullduggery was at had with two of the judges as one had Hopkins up by a point and the other hab Smith up by a point with a few rounds to go to seal the fix.

Am I wrong to assume this?

Yes you are wrong to assume this. There was nothing corrupt about the judges scorecards.

I had Smith leading only by one point at the time of the stoppage, so did Dan Rafael and the Boxing Scene website.

I submitted my scores in real-time to this forum when the fight itself was taking place and even commented on the fact that the rounds were difficult to score, depending on your stylistic preference… you either preferred the handful of sharp accurate blows thrown by the veteran or a dozen or so clumsy speculative punches from the relative novice.

The fight was close and competitive, especially from round four onwards.

I wouldn’t have objected to anyone that had Hopkins leading the fight by one point at the time of the stoppage, even though that disagrees with my own scoring.

I do have a hard time seeing that fight any closer than the 67-66 Smith card. I had it 69-65 Smith going into the legendary 8th. I scored the third even so I could have seen it 68-65. I am not sure how someone could have BHop ahead going into the eighth. Smith was clearly outlanding and outworking BHop.

If BHop had survived the eighth the scores would still have been within reach for him on two cards: 76-75 Smith and 77-74 Smith with four rounds to go. He would have had to sweep those rounds to get there.

While I strongly disagree with the 67-66 BHop card going into 8, I strongly doubt that BHop could have found a way to a decision victory after that round.

Tanzio wrote:I do have a hard time seeing that fight any closer than the 67-66 Smith card. I had it 69-65 Smith going into the legendary 8th. I scored the third even so I could have seen it 68-65. I am not sure how someone could have BHop ahead going into the eighth. Smith was clearly outlanding and outworking BHop.

If BHop had survived the eighth the scores would still have been within reach for him on two cards: 76-75 Smith and 77-74 Smith with four rounds to go. He would have had to sweep those rounds to get there.

While I strongly disagree with the 67-66 BHop card going into 8, I strongly doubt that BHop could have found a way to a decision victory after that round.

It's easy for 'nard to sweep rounds like that with his subtle yet legendary shoulder shoves, holding, landing four punches per round, and general veteran craftiness.

Enlightened-One wrote:

pound per pound wrote:Smith Ko'd Hopkins, but I suspect skullduggery was at had with two of the judges as one had Hopkins up by a point and the other hab Smith up by a point with a few rounds to go to seal the fix.

Am I wrong to assume this?

Yes you are wrong to assume this. There was nothing corrupt about the judges scorecards.

I had Smith leading only by one point at the time of the stoppage, so did Dan Rafael and the Boxing Scene website.

I submitted my scores in real-time to this forum when the fight itself was taking place and even commented on the fact that the rounds were difficult to score, depending on your stylistic preference… you either preferred the handful of sharp accurate blows thrown by the veteran or a dozen or so clumsy speculative punches from the relative novice.

The fight was close and competitive, especially from round four onwards.

I wouldn’t have objected to anyone that had Hopkins leading the fight by one point at the time of the stoppage, even though that disagrees with my own scoring.

Well, you just added Dan Rafael into your camp. Two of those scorecards were garbage. Even HBO who employs Hopkins said so. Almost all in media had Hopkins down several points.

Smith was up by 4 points, 3 at the worst by the time of the stoppage. Somehow one judge had it for Hopkins and other had it by the Smith for just one point. This means is there was no knockdown, Hopkins has 4 rounds to take a close round or two, giving him a bogus victory and robbing Mr. Smith.

i think yes

Hopkins would've won a decision but needed to stay off the canvas. And the seats outside the ring.

Damn right they were. I wrote elsewhere about how the UK announcers were shilling it up for Hopkins and even after he got ktfo of the ring they were speculating if the fight could be called a no contest or Smith disqualified.

x2x wrote:Damn right they were. I wrote elsewhere about how the UK announcers were shilling it up for Hopkins and even after he got ktfo of the ring they were speculating if the fight could be called a no contest or Smith disqualified.

What have the UK commentary team got to do with this?

pound per pound wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

pound per pound wrote:Smith Ko'd Hopkins, but I suspect skullduggery was at had with two of the judges as one had Hopkins up by a point and the other hab Smith up by a point with a few rounds to go to seal the fix.

Am I wrong to assume this?

Yes you are wrong to assume this. There was nothing corrupt about the judges scorecards.

I had Smith leading only by one point at the time of the stoppage, so did Dan Rafael and the Boxing Scene website.

I submitted my scores in real-time to this forum when the fight itself was taking place and even commented on the fact that the rounds were difficult to score, depending on your stylistic preference… you either preferred the handful of sharp accurate blows thrown by the veteran or a dozen or so clumsy speculative punches from the relative novice.

The fight was close and competitive, especially from round four onwards.

I wouldn’t have objected to anyone that had Hopkins leading the fight by one point at the time of the stoppage, even though that disagrees with my own scoring.

Well, you just added Dan Rafael into your camp. Two of those scorecards were garbage. Even HBO who employs Hopkins said so. Almost all in media had Hopkins down several points.

Smith was up by 4 points, 3 at the worst by the time of the stoppage. Somehow one judge had it for Hopkins and other had it by the Smith for just one point. This means is there was no knockdown, Hopkins has 4 rounds to take a close round or two, giving him a bogus victory and robbing Mr. Smith.

You shouldn't ask the forum a "yes or no" type question about whether or not you're wrong to accuse the judges of being corrupt if you were only looking for one answer.