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Alredo Angulo makes a very poor stand-in for Gennady Golovkin and I'll tell you why.

for one thing, or rather 4 things - James Kirkland knocked Angulo out very easily... And Nobuhiro Ishida knocked James Kirkland out in the 1st round... And Gennady Golovking smashed Ishida into a coma -- and into an ICU, with one savage right hand in the 3rd round... It was the first time Ishida was ever KO'd.

Ridiculous comparison - if you can't see that GGG is miles better than Angulo, you don't know anything about boxing. I agree Canelo has a better resume, but the way he has been treating genuine contenders and B level middleweights like amateurs has to count for something.

If anything.....and IMO it will be similar but a more tactical version of the Curtis Stevens fight with Canelo landing more and better punches than Stevens and GGG being more cautious than he was in that fight.

This thread is a good example of a troll not getting enough attention.

Yeah but speed KILLS! Canelo's punches are like lasers! His punches will always get there first everytime you can count on it. Canalo has been light

years faster than all of his opponents other than Floyd. Canelo's speed is too much for Gennady,

lazboy wrote:If anything.....and IMO it will be similar but a more tactical version of the Curtis Stevens fight with Canelo landing more and better punches than Stevens and GGG being more cautious than he was in that fight.

Good post - the height difference will be quite similar to the Stevens fight - while Stevens is 5'7" and Canelo is listed as 5'9", Canelo's real height is more like 5'7.5". Like Stevens, Canelo will have a handspeed advantage over GGG, as well having enough power to make him cautious, although I'm not sure Canelo hits quite as hard as Stevens. On the other hand, Canelo's defense - particularly his upper-body movement - is significantly better than Stevens', so I don't see GGG landing quite as easily. For me, the only danger I see Canelo possessing for GGG (aside from possible judges in his pocket) is his body punching - we know GGG has an iron jaw, but he has looked uncomfortable taking body punches from lesser punchers than Canelo, and Canelo is a good body puncher. All that said, GGG via a 8th round stoppage is my pick.

bnovelist wrote:Yeah but speed KILLS! Canelo's punches are like lasers! His punches will always get there first everytime you can count on it. Canalo has been light

years faster than all of his opponents other than Floyd. Canelo's speed is too much for Gennady,

The following GGG opponents had a clear handspeed advantage over him:

Proksa, Stevens, Geale, Monroe and Brook all had clear handspeed advantages over GGG and it didn't help them much.

On that note, Daniel Jacobs will be another GGG opponent with faster hands, as well as having a height and reach advantage, genuine KO power and boxing ability. I give him a slightly better chance of upsetting GGG than Canelo, although his chin could be a liability.

jezzamundo wrote:

lazboy wrote:If anything.....and IMO it will be similar but a more tactical version of the Curtis Stevens fight with Canelo landing more and better punches than Stevens and GGG being more cautious than he was in that fight.

Good post - the height difference will be quite similar to the Stevens fight - while Stevens is 5'7" and Canelo is listed as 5'9", Canelo's real height is more like 5'7.5". Like Stevens, Canelo will have a handspeed advantage over GGG, as well having enough power to make him cautious, although I'm not sure Canelo hits quite as hard as Stevens. On the other hand, Canelo's defense - particularly his upper-body movement - is significantly better than Stevens', so I don't see GGG landing quite as easily. For me, the only danger I see Canelo possessing for GGG (aside from possible judges in his pocket) is his body punching - we know GGG has an iron jaw, but he has looked uncomfortable taking body punches from lesser punchers than Canelo, and Canelo is a good body puncher. All that said, GGG via a 8th round stoppage is my pick.

Yea I agree with all that.

I want GGG to go for Canelos body. Not be a head hunter. Might get real painful in there, for both, before anyone drops, if anyone does. I want GGG to win always but this is the fight we want. It's a big challenge for both. I'll be nervous watching haha. Jacobs is another significant test. He can punch, he can move. Chin though. Still, this is what we want to see today's fighters do, challenge themselves, win, loose or draw.

jezzamundo wrote:

bnovelist wrote:Yeah but speed KILLS! Canelo's punches are like lasers! His punches will always get there first everytime you can count on it. Canalo has been light

years faster than all of his opponents other than Floyd. Canelo's speed is too much for Gennady,

The following GGG opponents had a clear handspeed advantage over him:

Proksa, Stevens, Geale, Monroe and Brook all had clear handspeed advantages over GGG and it didn't help them much.

On that note, Daniel Jacobs will be another GGG opponent with faster hands, as well as having a height and reach advantage, genuine KO power and boxing ability. I give him a slightly better chance of upsetting GGG than Canelo, although his chin could be a liability.

None of those guys were faster than GGG... Not even close... Golovkin is smoother and doesn't do exaggerated feints... he doesn't move his head more than he needs to.. Watch the Lemieux 1st round and study his jab.. He scored a record 26 solid jabs for that round.. It was very smooth and struck very quickly with smooth feints.. Hassan N'Dam who was 31-1 and taller, couldn't hit Lemieux well with the jab and was trounced.. N'Dam jabbed the crap out of Curtis Stevens.. What some of you guys call speed is flashy superfluous movement.. What counts is how fast your punch gets from point A to point B without being seen and defended. GGG is very good at that.

Kalan wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

bnovelist wrote:Yeah but speed KILLS! Canelo's punches are like lasers! His punches will always get there first everytime you can count on it. Canalo has been light

years faster than all of his opponents other than Floyd. Canelo's speed is too much for Gennady,

The following GGG opponents had a clear handspeed advantage over him:

Proksa, Stevens, Geale, Monroe and Brook all had clear handspeed advantages over GGG and it didn't help them much.

On that note, Daniel Jacobs will be another GGG opponent with faster hands, as well as having a height and reach advantage, genuine KO power and boxing ability. I give him a slightly better chance of upsetting GGG than Canelo, although his chin could be a liability.

None of those guys were faster than GGG... Not even close... Golovkin is smoother and doesn't do exaggerated feints... he doesn't move his head more than he needs to.. Watch the Lemieux 1st round and study his jab.. He scored a record 26 solid jabs for that round.. It was very smooth and struck very quickly with smooth feints.. Hassan N'Dam who was 31-1 and taller, couldn't hit Lemieux well with the jab and was trounced.. N'Dam jabbed the crap out of Curtis Stevens.. What some of you guys call speed is flashy superfluous movement.. What counts is how fast your punch gets from point A to point B without being seen and defended. GGG is very good at that.

For the record, GGG is my favourite active fighter. He's very, very good, but his handspeed for an elite fighter is average at best. We're going to have to agree to disagree, because to my eyes, the fighters I listed all had noticeably faster hands than GGG in their fights. Aside from that, I agree with your post.

jezzamundo wrote:

Kalan wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
The following GGG opponents had a clear handspeed advantage over him:

Proksa, Stevens, Geale, Monroe and Brook all had clear handspeed advantages over GGG and it didn't help them much.

On that note, Daniel Jacobs will be another GGG opponent with faster hands, as well as having a height and reach advantage, genuine KO power and boxing ability. I give him a slightly better chance of upsetting GGG than Canelo, although his chin could be a liability.

None of those guys were faster than GGG... Not even close... Golovkin is smoother and doesn't do exaggerated feints... he doesn't move his head more than he needs to.. Watch the Lemieux 1st round and study his jab.. He scored a record 26 solid jabs for that round.. It was very smooth and struck very quickly with smooth feints.. Hassan N'Dam who was 31-1 and taller, couldn't hit Lemieux well with the jab and was trounced.. N'Dam jabbed the crap out of Curtis Stevens.. What some of you guys call speed is flashy superfluous movement.. What counts is how fast your punch gets from point A to point B without being seen and defended. GGG is very good at that.

For the record, GGG is my favourite active fighter. He's very, very good, but his handspeed for an elite fighter is average at best. We're going to have to agree to disagree, because to my eyes, the fighters I listed all had noticeably faster hands than GGG in their fights. Aside from that, I agree with your post.

GGG's hand speed is good enough. It's the fundamental way he throws punches that out distance's himself from his opponents.

MachoTime wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Kalan wrote:
None of those guys were faster than GGG... Not even close... Golovkin is smoother and doesn't do exaggerated feints... he doesn't move his head more than he needs to.. Watch the Lemieux 1st round and study his jab.. He scored a record 26 solid jabs for that round.. It was very smooth and struck very quickly with smooth feints.. Hassan N'Dam who was 31-1 and taller, couldn't hit Lemieux well with the jab and was trounced.. N'Dam jabbed the crap out of Curtis Stevens.. What some of you guys call speed is flashy superfluous movement.. What counts is how fast your punch gets from point A to point B without being seen and defended. GGG is very good at that.

For the record, GGG is my favourite active fighter. He's very, very good, but his handspeed for an elite fighter is average at best. We're going to have to agree to disagree, because to my eyes, the fighters I listed all had noticeably faster hands than GGG in their fights. Aside from that, I agree with your post.

GGG's hand speed is good enough. It's the fundamental way he throws punches that out distance's himself from his opponents.

I agree - his timing, solid fundamentals, excellent footwork, iron chin and huge punching power have more than made up for any handspeed deficit he has faced so far.