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Awesome compilation. Got me a bit nostalgic.

It also shows how much Wlad has slipped over his past few fights. He looked good against Pulev, but even there I could see he had slipped.

He was fast, accurate and carried power in both hands. As he aged he changed his style and pot-shotted and clinched a lot more. What a great career he had though. I hope he retires after AJ, but honestly I'd like to see him go out with a win even though father time is against him.

punchoutsb wrote:Awesome compilation. Got me a bit nostalgic.

It also shows how much Wlad has slipped over his past few fights. He looked good against Pulev, but even there I could see he had slipped.

He was fast, accurate and carried power in both hands. As he aged he changed his style and pot-shotted and clinched a lot more. What a great career he had though. I hope he retires after AJ, but honestly I'd like to see him go out with a win even though father time is against him.

Great post! I agree with everything you said, though I'll be rooting for Joshua if the fight actually happens.

Boxing Writer wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Awesome compilation. Got me a bit nostalgic.

It also shows how much Wlad has slipped over his past few fights. He looked good against Pulev, but even there I could see he had slipped.

He was fast, accurate and carried power in both hands. As he aged he changed his style and pot-shotted and clinched a lot more. What a great career he had though. I hope he retires after AJ, but honestly I'd like to see him go out with a win even though father time is against him.

Great post! I agree with everything you said, though I'll be rooting for Joshua if the fight actually happens.

I'm so torn because I almost always cheer for the young gun in those cases so we can see legacies being built in front of us; I'd just like to see Wlad go out on a high note. He's had a great career either way.

I'd like to see Wlad go out on a high after that awful performance against Fury, however that compilation reminded me of how weak the division has been during his reign.

Nice video

Wlad used to mix in hooks and uppercuts from mid-range so well, and 4-5 punch combos were normal for him. He had A LOT of offensive talent that people might be unaware of if they've only watched him in recent years.

He showed a bit of his old stuff when he threw quadruple hooks against Mormeck and Austin, but for the most part has looked like a very different fighter.

crusader wrote:Nice video

Wlad used to mix in hooks and uppercuts from mid-range so well, and 4-5 punch combos were normal for him. He had A LOT of offensive talent that people might be unaware of if they've only watched him in recent years.

He showed a bit of his old stuff when he threw quadruple hooks against Mormeck and Austin, but for the most part has looked like a very different fighter.

he was a brave man before he
found out he had a weak chin.

.. I believe it's their common (Wlad's and Vitaly's) goal, at least to a large extent, to get all major belts into the family placed Wlad under all that unnecessary stress and affected the quality of his performance in the ring..

greg wrote:.. I believe it's their common (Wlad's and Vitaly's) goal, at least to a large extent, to get all major belts into the family placed Wlad under all that unnecessary stress and affected the quality of his performance in the ring..

no, he was a terrific fighter who walked
through not easy opponents like nothing.
was praised as a supertalent well above
his brother, before two journeymen kicked
him off the ATG train. which forced him to
either hang them up (which his brother
actually advised him to do) or change his
game.

man wrote:

greg wrote:.. I believe it's their common (Wlad's and Vitaly's) goal, at least to a large extent, to get all major belts into the family placed Wlad under all that unnecessary stress and affected the quality of his performance in the ring..

no, he was a terrific fighter who walked
through not easy opponents like nothing.
was praised as a supertalent well above
his brother, before two journeymen kicked
him off the ATG train. which forced him to
either hang them up (which his brother
actually advised him to do) or change his
game.

..Yes, he was a terrific fighter walking thru his opponents, but once he got his first belt and realised that together with his brother they were able to get them all, only then he became a lot more careful in the ring...that with quitting the boxing I never took seriously...

man wrote:

crusader wrote:Nice video

Wlad used to mix in hooks and uppercuts from mid-range so well, and 4-5 punch combos were normal for him. He had A LOT of offensive talent that people might be unaware of if they've only watched him in recent years.

He showed a bit of his old stuff when he threw quadruple hooks against Mormeck and Austin, but for the most part has looked like a very different fighter.

he was a brave man before he
found out he had a weak chin.

He's still a brave man; boxing isn't a cowards sport.

However, winning became more important to fighting after a certain point. Overtime, alongside Manny, he developed a style that made him essentially unbeatable, but a lot less fun to watch.

greg wrote:but once he got his first belt and realised that together with his brother they were able to get them all, only then he became a lot more careful in the ring...that with quitting the boxing I never took seriously...

had nothing to do with the belts, only
with two opponents. no mystery in this.

punchoutsb wrote:He's still a brave man; boxing isn't a cowards sport.

true.

man wrote:

greg wrote:but once he got his first belt and realised that together with his brother they were able to get them all, only then he became a lot more careful in the ring...that with quitting the boxing I never took seriously...

had nothing to do with the belts, only
with two opponents. no mystery in this.

I'm not talking about mysteries rather about human behavour..once you've achieved something you tend to keep it... playing it safe could be a result..

greg wrote:

man wrote:

greg wrote:but once he got his first belt and realised that together with his brother they were able to get them all, only then he became a lot more careful in the ring...that with quitting the boxing I never took seriously...

had nothing to do with the belts, only
with two opponents. no mystery in this.

I'm not talking about mysteries rather about human behavour..once you've achieved something you tend to keep it... playing it safe could be a result..

no, man, i saw the whole thing back then.
it had nothing to do with what you say.
sanders and brewster humiliated him and
basically ended his career.

but wlad picked himself up, hired manny
and totally changed his game. he was way
more exciting before that, but it had
become clear he could not compete on top
level with his style, since neither sanders
(at that time) nor brewster were top notch
contenders.

hybris was never an issue with the brothers.
they always worked hard and took opponents
seriously. didn't get lazy for a minute, never
got out of shape.

man wrote:

greg wrote:

man wrote: had nothing to do with the belts, only
with two opponents. no mystery in this.

I'm not talking about mysteries rather about human behavour..once you've achieved something you tend to keep it... playing it safe could be a result..

no, man, i saw the whole thing back then.
it had nothing to do with what you say.
sanders and brewster humiliated him and
basically ended his career.

but wlad picked himself up, hired manny
and totally changed his game. he was way
more exciting before that, but it had
become clear he could not compete on top
level with his style, since neither sanders
(at that time) nor brewster were top notch
contenders.

hybris was never an issue with the brothers.
they always worked hard and took opponents
seriously. didn't get lazy for a minute, never
got out of shape.

..I don't know which came first: the chicken or the egg..it is obvious though that the style of boxing offered by Manny fit their family strategy..

I don't know how much affect it had on him however his wife had a really difficult pregnancy and post pregnancy. He did not seem himself at all against Fury. Give Fury credit for his own style as well though. Wlad has a lot of power still and I won't be surprised to see him beat Joshua (who is talented clearly but inexperienced). Two best heavies in the world.

greg wrote:..I don't know which came first: the chicken or the egg..it is obvious though that the style of boxing offered by Manny fit their family strategy..

well, i do know, since it played out in
the open at that time. wlad's seemingly
inevitable rise to the very top of the
sport came to a drastic hold and nobody
claimed it was hybris or him getting lazy.

Dancin' Dan wrote:I don't know how much affect it had on him however his wife had a really difficult pregnancy and post pregnancy. He did not seem himself at all against Fury.

i think pro boxers are very good at
blending things like that out of their
view.

and if you look at him versus haye,
it was actually not that much different
on wlad's part, just that the other guy,
fury, was the same size and hit back.

Watching that does make me think if Wlad had his brothers chin he would be te best heavy ever