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One recently quit on his stool and had his no mas moment and the other is a PED cheat who has cheated like 5 times thus far that we know of. Who's career is more in shambles?

Walters is still relatively young and still can make big fights against top 10 in division and defeat them

Ruthless-RKO wrote:One recently quit on his stool and had his no mas moment and the other is a PED cheat who has cheated like 5 times thus far that we know of. Who's career is more in shambles?

..5 times? I'm aware of meldonium and in this case, like it or not, he was acquited..and we are still waiting for B-sample results after the latest scandal..what are the other times?

Easily Walters.

greg wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:One recently quit on his stool and had his no mas moment and the other is a PED cheat who has cheated like 5 times thus far that we know of. Who's career is more in shambles?

..5 times? I'm aware of meldonium and in this case, like it or not, he was acquited..and we are still waiting for B-sample results after the latest scandal..what are the other times?

I've got nothing against Povetkin, i want to see him fight, I may have exaggerated the 5 times, frustration when decent fights get cancelled, regardless of fault.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

greg wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:One recently quit on his stool and had his no mas moment and the other is a PED cheat who has cheated like 5 times thus far that we know of. Who's career is more in shambles?

..5 times? I'm aware of meldonium and in this case, like it or not, he was acquited..and we are still waiting for B-sample results after the latest scandal..what are the other times?

I've got nothing against Povetkin, i want to see him fight, I may have exaggerated the 5 times, frustration when decent fights get cancelled, regardless of fault.

fair enough...

Is it even close? I don't even get all of the Povetkin interest in this forum. What has this guy every done to be worth so many discussion? Walters was considered the top or one of the top lightweights in the world and he No Mas'd out of a fight that he not only still had a punchers chance of winning but didn't even take that much damage in.

Walters can never recover from this loss. What promoter or network will back this guy with an investment now? We may see him fight on an undercard somewhere but his days of headlining are over unless he's able to convince someone to let him fight a top fighter and he scores an impressive upset. I doubt anyone will give him that opportunity

Neither fighter's career is in shambles. Walters can easily rebound, and given that he wasn't even knocked out, he won't have to wait long to return to fighting and beating world class opposition. Povetkin's career isn't in shambles, he's actually white hot right now. Various people and organizations are rating him #1 or #2 in his division. It might be harder for Povetkin to get fights if the Ostarine test isn't cleared-up, but his positive test for a few nanograms of meldonium was completely trumped-up and shouldn't discourage anyone from fighting him. On the other hand, if Povetkin got a substantial suspension, then that might be a big setback; but I'm sure the Russian commissions probably wouldn't suspend him regardless.

Lackeos wrote:Neither fighter's career is in shambles. Walters can easily rebound, and given that he wasn't even knocked out, he won't have to wait long to return to fighting and beating world class opposition. Povetkin's career isn't in shambles, he's actually white hot right now. Various people and organizations are rating him #1 or #2 in his division. It might be harder for Povetkin to get fights if the Ostarine test isn't cleared-up, but his positive test for a few nanograms of meldonium was completely trumped-up and shouldn't discourage anyone from fighting him. On the other hand, if Povetkin got a substantial suspension, then that might be a big setback; but I'm sure the Russian commissions probably wouldn't suspend him regardless.

WBC is the only ABC that ranks Povetkin...others ignores him after his disgrace vs Klitchko.

And WBC will suspend and strip him after sample B approval (and even Riabinski said today that he 99% sure that sample B will be positive also), for a year or two.

Povetkin, 38 yo, looks finished in ABC field. Of course Riabinski can always pay crazy money and bring boxers to fight Povetkin without major ABC sanctionings and call it Championship fight....

Walters.

He might in time reverse the damage of his 'No Mas', the way Roberto Duran did, but unlike Duran, Walters doesn't have a glut of folk making excuses for him.

Walters punked out of a fight simply because his opponent was better than him & it will take a long time to get over that.

...considering his age, possible ban and even disqualification I'll go with Povetkin..

Povetkin no doubt. Nothing illegal about what Walters did. And unlike most of the heartless bastards on here, I don't fault him for it. But what Povetkin has done, twice, is illegal, thus has affected the other fighter and everyone involved monetarily and put potential stalls on their careers.

So yeah, it's pretty obvious.

Syntax Error wrote:Walters.

He might in time reverse the damage of his 'No Mas', the way Roberto Duran did, but unlike Duran, Walters doesn't have a glut of folk making excuses for him.

Walters punked out of a fight simply because his opponent was better than him & it will take a long time to get over that.

Explain to me how this hurts his career. If anything, it prolonged his career.

Povetkins carrier is all but over. It will take too long for him to clear his name and put himself in mandatory spot. And without it no top names will want to fight him, especially going in Russia. He is too old to last that long. All he can hope for from now on is some C level opponents like Duhapa he can easily knock over in front of home crowd.

Walters has a potential to recover. It will take a year, maybe two but eventually he will be given a chance. There are not too many fighters around with Walters talent. They cant overlook him so easily.

Impractical Poster wrote:Povetkin no doubt. Nothing illegal about what Walters did. And unlike most of the heartless bastards on here, I don't fault him for it. But what Povetkin has done, twice, is illegal, thus has affected the other fighter and everyone involved monetarily and put potential stalls on their careers.

So yeah, it's pretty obvious.

I don't blame him either, my that stigma of "quitter" doesn't go away over night. Testing positive for peds is a short term problem. The masses are numb to it.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Walters.

He might in time reverse the damage of his 'No Mas', the way Roberto Duran did, but unlike Duran, Walters doesn't have a glut of folk making excuses for him.

Walters punked out of a fight simply because his opponent was better than him & it will take a long time to get over that.

Explain to me how this hurts his career. If anything, it prolonged his career.

See when his next significant fight is. He better try and sign with haymon, hearn or Warren. He won't be on HBO anytime soon.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Walters.

He might in time reverse the damage of his 'No Mas', the way Roberto Duran did, but unlike Duran, Walters doesn't have a glut of folk making excuses for him.

Walters punked out of a fight simply because his opponent was better than him & it will take a long time to get over that.

Explain to me how this hurts his career. If anything, it prolonged his career.

See when his next significant fight is. He better try and sign with haymon, hearn or Warren. He won't be on HBO anytime soon.

Didn't seem to hurt guys like Duran or Ortiz much, in getting opponents or air time. Sure, the stigma is there, but fornicate those who don't understand the sport enough to take into consideration the potential damage to their livelihood. I'd be surprised if HBO drops him. PED users are a different story. Totally fucked Antonio Tarver's career. If Malinaggi were to quit on his stool he would still be fighting and commentating on Showtime. Not if he pops hot for peds.

Neither are the best in their respective divisions but both will do just fine despite the issues you mentioned.

Ricky_ wrote:Neither are the best in their respective divisions but both will do just fine despite the issues you mentioned.

Yeah deffo. There's still title fights to be had for both. Both capable guys. If Povetkin did cheat though I'd punt him and offer him no return!

Impractical Poster wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Explain to me how this hurts his career. If anything, it prolonged his career.

See when his next significant fight is. He better try and sign with haymon, hearn or Warren. He won't be on HBO anytime soon.

Didn't seem to hurt guys like Duran or Ortiz much, in getting opponents or air time. Sure, the stigma is there, but eff those who don't understand the sport enough to take into consideration the potential damage to their livelihood. I'd be surprised if HBO drops him. PED users are a different story. Totally fucked Antonio Tarver's career. If Malinaggi were to quit on his stool he would still be fighting and commentating on Showtime. Not if he pops hot for peds.

Duran was a tad more established and it was at least 3 years before his next high profile fight. Ortiz lost a great fight, I thought the quitter label was completely ridiculous there. Not exactly apples and apples. Tarver commentates on spike. I doubt the pay is much different.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: See when his next significant fight is. He better try and sign with haymon, hearn or Warren. He won't be on HBO anytime soon.

Didn't seem to hurt guys like Duran or Ortiz much, in getting opponents or air time. Sure, the stigma is there, but eff those who don't understand the sport enough to take into consideration the potential damage to their livelihood. I'd be surprised if HBO drops him. PED users are a different story. Totally fucked Antonio Tarver's career. If Malinaggi were to quit on his stool he would still be fighting and commentating on Showtime. Not if he pops hot for peds.

Duran was a tad more established and it was at least 3 years before his next high profile fight. Ortiz lost a great fight, I thought the quitter label was completely ridiculous there. Not exactly apples and apples. Tarver commentates on spike. I doubt the pay is much different.

I feel bad about Ortiz in a way. I was one of those labeling him a quitter at the time. I never really put myself into a fighters shoes until the Magomedov incident. After that, if any fighter feels they have taken too much punishment or feel that they may, more power to them to fight another day. It takes more than the average guy just to get in the ring period.

Haven't seen the Povetkin fight yet.
Walters was very disappointing.

Impractical Poster wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Didn't seem to hurt guys like Duran or Ortiz much, in getting opponents or air time. Sure, the stigma is there, but eff those who don't understand the sport enough to take into consideration the potential damage to their livelihood. I'd be surprised if HBO drops him. PED users are a different story. Totally fucked Antonio Tarver's career. If Malinaggi were to quit on his stool he would still be fighting and commentating on Showtime. Not if he pops hot for peds.

Duran was a tad more established and it was at least 3 years before his next high profile fight. Ortiz lost a great fight, I thought the quitter label was completely ridiculous there. Not exactly apples and apples. Tarver commentates on spike. I doubt the pay is much different.

I feel bad about Ortiz in a way. I was one of those labeling him a quitter at the time. I never really put myself into a fighters shoes until the Magomedov incident. After that, if any fighter feels they have taken too much punishment or feel that they may, more power to them to fight another day. It takes more than the average guy just to get in the ring period.

Ortiz eye was blowing up like there was an airpump attached to it. We found out he isn't Holyfield, few are. My only derisive quitting is Dirrell against Abraham, because he 100% faked it.

Povetkin's carreer is completely destroyed, I hope he will receive about 80m back from Wilder and Dibella because he deserves it. There are a lot of people out there who actually think Povetkin did something wrong. But he didn't, he's a 100% innocent men in the meldonium case and very most likely innocent in the latest case as well. Wada/Vada now claim they traced 0,00000000001 gram of some illegal substance with a half time value of a day, which I consider to be bullshit.
This would mean 0,00000000001^7=0,00000000128 gram last week, when nothing was traced, ^7 0,00000016384 gram two weeks ago. To me, this sounds like a bullshitstory. Why would he use this substance just before the match? While he should gain muscles months before the match? On top of that, he only lost weight compared to his own avarages. And why and on top of that, how did he get such an incredible low amount?

Kn other words, very most likely the WBC, Deontay Wilder and his team, Wada and Vada, all coöperated again against Povetkin. Oh and don't forget about all the false American media as well. Povetkin's name is completely destroyed, while we're talking about an innocent men.

Innocent despite being caught twice and the sanctioning bodies want nothing to do with him? Lmao.