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A new twist in the drug testing saga of Russian heavyweight Alexander Povetkin, who is accused of doping violations.

On Saturday, December 17, Povetkin knocked out France's Johann Duhaupas in six rounds. The non-title 10 round fight held in the Russian Urals city of Yekaterinburg.

Povetkin was originally scheduled to face Canada’s Bermane Stiverne for the interim WBC heavyweight title but the fight was canceled after Povetkin’s drug test from December 6th came back positive for Ostarine. The fight fell apart only a few hours before the event was scheduled to start.

Additionally, Povetkin's team revealed that his positive sample, from the December 6th test, had only a minor trace of ostarine - [0,00000000001g] - which Povetkin's team suggests is evidence that he ingested the substance several months if not a year earlier either through food or some nutritional supplement. Povetkin's random test from November 15th also came up clean.

"Just received a new sample on Povetkin from the voluntary testing association for doping, for December 13. Everything is clean, no doping," Ryabinsky stated.

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-dru ... Vhlho.dpuf

Looks like Haymon Vada and WBC are conspiring to protect WIlder from Povetkin BY ANY mEANS NECESSARY- Vada is a weapon that can be bribed and manipulated - two of Al Haymons specialties -

Wow, I gambled it perfectly right again against all odds! Povetkin was innocent and pretty much all the dumb people like Badhusker or whatever his name was were wrong again! Maybe I should go to the casino tonight!

Drugs cheats can pass tons of tests, this isn't a B sample it's a different test.

asdfjkl wrote:Wow, I gambled it perfectly right again against all odds! Povetkin was innocent and pretty much all the dumb people like Badhusker or whatever his name was were wrong again! Maybe I should go to the casino tonight!

He just failed his cycles you retard. He forget to spit out all that stuff he took

Unbiased Expert wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Wow, I gambled it perfectly right again against all odds! Povetkin was innocent and pretty much all the dumb people like Badhusker or whatever his name was were wrong again! Maybe I should go to the casino tonight!

He just failed his cycles you retard. He forget to spit out all that stuff he took

Right, there are 10 0's behind the , ?! And we are talking about grams! How an uncredible low amount do you guess he took? As far as I see, Povetkin's team is once again perfectly right.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Additionally, Povetkin's team revealed that his positive sample, from the December 6th test, had only a minor trace of ostarine - [0,00000000001g] - which Povetkin's team suggests is evidence that he ingested the substance several months if not a year earlier either through food or some nutritional supplement.

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-dru ... Vhlho.dpuf

The big problem with this part of his quote.
You all are aware the drug has been banned since 2008.
So months or even a year earlier. Guilty as a muthafucker

tiny_acres wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Additionally, Povetkin's team revealed that his positive sample, from the December 6th test, had only a minor trace of ostarine - [0,00000000001g] - which Povetkin's team suggests is evidence that he ingested the substance several months if not a year earlier either through food or some nutritional supplement.

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-dru ... Vhlho.dpuf

The big problem with this part of his quote.
You all are aware the drug has been banned since 2008.
So months or even a year earlier. Guilty as a muthafucker

If the quoted concentration is correct (like it was the previous time), it raises a question about accuracy of VADA testing and possibility of wrong positives. It also increases a possibility of the substance being consumed with contaminated food or something sold over the counter.

I don't think there's any logical way of accidentally ingesting a few nanograms of ostarine in food or supplements. It's not like they keep a little ostarine lying around at the hot pockets factory and accidentally spilled some. Cross-supplement contamination at a supplement manufacturer is more likely. I think the most logical way for a nanogram of ostarine to show-up in a test is if it was present in the equipment from a previous sample. You test someone dirty, they have a milligram of ostarine in their sample; you wash your test tubes according to protocol, test someone else, and they have a nanogram of ostarine in their sample.

tiny_acres wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Additionally, Povetkin's team revealed that his positive sample, from the December 6th test, had only a minor trace of ostarine - [0,00000000001g] - which Povetkin's team suggests is evidence that he ingested the substance several months if not a year earlier either through food or some nutritional supplement.

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-dru ... Vhlho.dpuf

The big problem with this part of his quote.
You all are aware the drug has been banned since 2008.
So months or even a year earlier. Guilty as a muthafucker

Right on. Having any traceable amount in your system of a drug that was banned years ago is a red flag, and illegal. There is no allowable limit. Obviously team Povetkin screwed up while attempting to beat the test. As far as getting it from meat or an old test tube? No.

Some people are incredibly stupid.
Random drug testing does not mean passing a few random drug tests invalidates a results of a failed random test or vice versa.
Drug tests are evaluated individually not as a group.
A clean test on December 13th does not and never will invalidate the results of a test on December 6th.
Anyone with an IQ above zero understands and acknowledges that fact.

There is a ZERO tolerance for Ostarine, a ridiculously tiny amount of a banned substance represents a failed drug test period. WADA does not allow trace amounts of Ostarine.

Perseus wrote:Some people are incredibly stupid.
Random drug testing does not mean passing a few random drug tests invalidates a results of a failed random test or vice versa.
Drug tests are evaluated individually not as a group.
A clean test on December 13th does not and never will invalidate the results of a test on December 6th.
Anyone with an IQ above zero understands and acknowledges that fact.

There is a ZERO tolerance for Ostarine, a ridiculously tiny amount of a banned substance represents a failed drug test period. WADA does not allow trace amounts of Ostarine.

Thank you. I could not agree more.

I wonder if the B-sample will show any traces at all. Having such low amounts would never work in your advantage anyway.

The trace of Ostarine being reported in the "failed" test is so tiny, there must be some sort of margin of error in terms of calculating the accuracy of VADA's drug testing?

tiny_acres wrote:

Perseus wrote:Some people are incredibly stupid.
Random drug testing does not mean passing a few random drug tests invalidates a results of a failed random test or vice versa.
Drug tests are evaluated individually not as a group.
A clean test on December 13th does not and never will invalidate the results of a test on December 6th.
Anyone with an IQ above zero understands and acknowledges that fact.

There is a ZERO tolerance for Ostarine, a ridiculously tiny amount of a banned substance represents a failed drug test period. WADA does not allow trace amounts of Ostarine.

Thank you. I could not agree more.

Perseus is correct, there is no "allowable limit" for a banned substance. The issue that arises is the potential of cross contamination; that's why they take two samples in the first place. If the B sample comes back negative then cross contamination is to blame. A typical dose of Ostarine is around 25 mg per day and it has a half life of less than 24 hours so it needs to be taken every day for benefit. We need to wait for the B sample. If it comes back positive then Povetkin had the drug in his system. So in that sense the amount found is very important; but it all comes down to the B sample now.

tiny_acres wrote:

Perseus wrote:Some people are incredibly stupid.
Random drug testing does not mean passing a few random drug tests invalidates a results of a failed random test or vice versa.
Drug tests are evaluated individually not as a group.
A clean test on December 13th does not and never will invalidate the results of a test on December 6th.
Anyone with an IQ above zero understands and acknowledges that fact.

There is a ZERO tolerance for Ostarine, a ridiculously tiny amount of a banned substance represents a failed drug test period. WADA does not allow trace amounts of Ostarine.

Thank you. I could not agree more.

According to the WADA protocol, there is a margin of error, but I don't know how much it is, as I'm not medically-minded.

Lackeos wrote:I don't think there's any logical way of accidentally ingesting a few nanograms of ostarine in food or supplements. It's not like they keep a little ostarine lying around at the hot pockets factory and accidentally spilled some. Cross-supplement contamination at a supplement manufacturer is more likely. I think the most logical way for a nanogram of ostarine to show-up in a test is if it was present in the equipment from a previous sample. You test someone dirty, they have a milligram of ostarine in their sample; you wash your test tubes according to protocol, test someone else, and they have a nanogram of ostarine in their sample.

They may be adding some ostarine to cattle food to make it add meat faster and be leaner. That's what they said when Vargas tested positive. So you run into it in a restaurant and test positive once.

Unbiased Expert wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Wow, I gambled it perfectly right again against all odds! Povetkin was innocent and pretty much all the dumb people like Badhusker or whatever his name was were wrong again! Maybe I should go to the casino tonight!

He just failed his cycles you retard. He forget to spit out all that stuff he took

He didn't cycle you Mongoloid Idiot... He tested for an allowable trace... He'd have 100 times more than that in his test result if he took the slightest dose.

BitPlayer wrote:Drugs cheats can pass tons of tests, this isn't a B sample it's a different test.

You can get false positives as well...Especially VADA... Those bastard tested sample A before the Wilder fight and insinuated Povetkin didn't pass... They tested B and said he was "positive" suggesting that he tested dirty when he DIDN'T!!!! ... Then they were forced to retract their allegations... Now...low and behold the say he's "positive" again when it looks like he was clean again.. How many times are you going to trust those filthy lying bastards to get it right???

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Drugs cheats can pass tons of tests, this isn't a B sample it's a different test.

How many times are you going to trust those filthy lying bastards to get it right???

Dude honestly that's how the majority on here feel about Povetkin. One time we face the benefit of the doubt.
2nd time it's harder to believe.

I'll wait to see the final ruling have a Merry Christmas

The only thing I can say is you're so stupid I can't believe it... How in FK are you going to believe VADA after they were forced to admit they were wrong after accusing Povetkin of testing dirty for Meldonium??? That was hours before the Wilder fight... and now, hours before Stiverne, the same crap.

Does anyone think there would be anything other than a very small trace present of Osterine since it has such a short half life? For that to happen he would have to had taken it the day of the test. Any traceable amount, especially if found in both samples, is illegal.

As far as tainted meat goes, the only animal I have ever heard they have given the drug to is race horses.

Kalan wrote:The only thing I can say is you're so stupid I can't believe it... How in FK are you going to believe VADA after they were forced to admit they were wrong after accusing Povetkin of testing dirty for Meldonium??? That was hours before the Wilder fight... and now, hours before Stiverne, the same crap.

Once again, read WBC ruling before typing bs. VADA's finding were not even argued, so they had to admit nothing.

And btw, the meldonium was found about a week before the fight.

You're still stupid!!! The WBC and VADA are in cahoots... The WBC is forcing boxers to use VADA exclusively on a mandatory basis... They're crooks who work hand in hand to keep the titles in North America and destroy promotions in Eastern Europe. VADA was forced to admit they were wrong about Povetkin failing any tests for Meldonium and the WBC reluctantly agreed that Povetkin did nothing wrong and kept him the top contender.. Now they're pulling the same BS.. This crap was all manufactured to destroy Russian as a major venue for World Championship Fights and keep America's only Heavyweight Champion in a long time. If you mess up once, why would anybody believe you the next time in the same circumstance???

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Drugs cheats can pass tons of tests, this isn't a B sample it's a different test.

You can get false positives as well...Especially VADA... Those bastard tested sample A before the Wilder fight and insinuated Povetkin didn't pass... They tested B and said he was "positive" suggesting that he tested dirty when he DIDN'T!!!! ... Then they were forced to retract their allegations... Now...low and behold the say he's "positive" again when it looks like he was clean again.. How many times are you going to trust those filthy lying bastards to get it right???

No he did test positive for it, the levels were allowable due to the recentness of the ban of it.