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...if he face Beterbiev in 2017 ?

Very good chance Ward outboxes him.

Double duck

montrealsuper wrote:Double duck

Mutual duck or double Ward's one ?

ValMar wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Double duck

Mutual duck or double Ward's one ?

Ward wont fight Beterbiev and Haymon wont let Beterbiev fight Ward - Just like Floyd would not fight Williams and Haymon would not let Williams fight Floyd -

montrealsuper wrote:

ValMar wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Double duck

Mutual duck or double Ward's one ?

Ward wont fight Beterbiev and Haymon wont let Beterbiev fight Ward - Just like Floyd would not fight Williams and Haymon would not let Williams fight Floyd -

I guess those guys don't get credit for two guys that's on everyone P4P list like Kovalev or Canelo. Beterbiev has done nothing but beat no names. If you think beating Prieto gets you Ward your sadly mistaking. Or did Williams deserve Floyd before or after the first Quintana.

Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

crusader wrote:Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

Beterbiev takes away Ward's alleged advantage in the inside game and can even stop the Son of Judges inside. Beterbiev is also a good enough boxer, so with his huge power advantage over Ward, I don't see a way of Ward lasting 12 rounds against him.

montrealsuper wrote:

ValMar wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Double duck

Mutual duck or double Ward's one ?

Ward wont fight Beterbiev and Haymon wont let Beterbiev fight Ward - Just like Floyd would not fight Williams and Haymon would not let Williams fight Floyd -

Your anti-Haymon crusade is kind of funny... ever single post of yours nearly always mentions him with venomous hatred.

boxing_rocks wrote:

crusader wrote:Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

Beterbiev takes away Ward's alleged advantage in the inside game and can even stop the Son of Judges inside. Beterbiev is also a good enough boxer, so with his huge power advantage over Ward, I don't see a way of Ward lasting 12 rounds against him.

Says the guy who said all Kovalev needed was ONE moment and Ward would be finished. Well he got his ONE moment and still didn't get the decision

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Mutual duck or double Ward's one ?

Ward wont fight Beterbiev and Haymon wont let Beterbiev fight Ward - Just like Floyd would not fight Williams and Haymon would not let Williams fight Floyd -

Your anti-Haymon crusade is kind of funny... ever single post of yours nearly always mentions him with venomous hatred.

The crooked co**sucker is ruining the sport -it's a critical stage for boxing which has now fallen behind UFC in popularity - Tyson even said this in his book last year and since then the gap has only worsened as UFC is growing stronger and boxing is fading -

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: Ward wont fight Beterbiev and Haymon wont let Beterbiev fight Ward - Just like Floyd would not fight Williams and Haymon would not let Williams fight Floyd -

Your anti-Haymon crusade is kind of funny... ever single post of yours nearly always mentions him with venomous hatred.

The crooked co**sucker is ruining the sport -it's a critical stage for boxing which has now fallen behind UFC in popularity - Tyson even said this in his book last year and since then the gap has only worsened as UFC is growing stronger and boxing is fading -

Haymon is not running the sport. Its international he's just one promoter. Your overstating his impact especially compared to UFC. It was falling behind UFC even before haymon.

world ranked wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Your anti-Haymon crusade is kind of funny... ever single post of yours nearly always mentions him with venomous hatred.

The crooked co**sucker is ruining the sport -it's a critical stage for boxing which has now fallen behind UFC in popularity - Tyson even said this in his book last year and since then the gap has only worsened as UFC is growing stronger and boxing is fading -

Haymon is not running the sport. Its international he's just one promoter. Your overstating his impact especially compared to UFC. It was falling behind UFC even before haymon.

Boxing politics and PPV's are the reasons why it's popularity is seemingly on the decline in America.

However, boxing is a global sport, which is becoming increasingly popular in Europe, southern, central and Eastern asia.

Just because the Americans no longer dominate the sport, it doesn't mean that it is "dying" and on its last legs.

Enlightened-One wrote:

world ranked wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: The crooked co**sucker is ruining the sport -it's a critical stage for boxing which has now fallen behind UFC in popularity - Tyson even said this in his book last year and since then the gap has only worsened as UFC is growing stronger and boxing is fading -

Haymon is not running the sport. Its international he's just one promoter. Your overstating his impact especially compared to UFC. It was falling behind UFC even before haymon.

Boxing politics and PPV's are the reasons why it's popularity is seemingly on the decline in America.

However, boxing is a global sport, which is becoming increasingly popular in Europe, southern, central and Eastern asia.

Just because the Americans no longer dominate the sport, it doesn't mean that it is "dying" and on its last legs.

Haymon is trying to run the sport in america and thus he's protecting his fighters from losing to other promoters which is costing and cheating the sport out of countless appealing fights - And he's fixing his key fighters to win in house set up "fights" which are boring and have a reek of inside job - this practice is turning people away from the sport in america (ppv #s are way down for all big fights now) where UFC is now ahead of boxing - Haymon does not care about making the best fights with competing promoters to please fans - he wants to extend his own control and leverage so someday soon he is the vince mcmahon of boxing which will mean american boxing will be a wwe league of inhouse inside job "fights' all choreographed by the megalomaniac al haymon - and the great fighters like GGG Lomachenko Usyk Kovalev Beterbiev etc will be left on the outside looking in

world ranked wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Your anti-Haymon crusade is kind of funny... ever single post of yours nearly always mentions him with venomous hatred.

The crooked co**sucker is ruining the sport -it's a critical stage for boxing which has now fallen behind UFC in popularity - Tyson even said this in his book last year and since then the gap has only worsened as UFC is growing stronger and boxing is fading -

Haymon is not running the sport. Its international he's just one promoter. Your overstating his impact especially compared to UFC. It was falling behind UFC even before haymon.

UFC surpassed boxing while floyd (controlled and protected by haymon) was the face of boxing (2008-2015)

montrealsuper wrote:

world ranked wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: The crooked co**sucker is ruining the sport -it's a critical stage for boxing which has now fallen behind UFC in popularity - Tyson even said this in his book last year and since then the gap has only worsened as UFC is growing stronger and boxing is fading -

Haymon is not running the sport. Its international he's just one promoter. Your overstating his impact especially compared to UFC. It was falling behind UFC even before haymon.

UFC surpassed boxing while floyd (controlled and protected by haymon) was the face of boxing (2008-2015)

Boxing can't be controlled by one guy or one promoter. Its a global sport. If your are correct then boxing is about to claim there spot back because Floyd and Haymon no longer control boxing right?

montrealsuper wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

world ranked wrote:
Haymon is not running the sport. Its international he's just one promoter. Your overstating his impact especially compared to UFC. It was falling behind UFC even before haymon.

Boxing politics and PPV's are the reasons why it's popularity is seemingly on the decline in America.

However, boxing is a global sport, which is becoming increasingly popular in Europe, southern, central and Eastern asia.

Just because the Americans no longer dominate the sport, it doesn't mean that it is "dying" and on its last legs.

Haymon is trying to run the sport in america and thus he's protecting his fighters from losing to other promoters which is costing and cheating the sport out of countless appealing fights - And he's fixing his key fighters to win in house set up "fights" which are boring and have a reek of inside job - this practice is turning people away from the sport in america (ppv #s are way down for all big fights now) where UFC is now ahead of boxing - Haymon does not care about making the best fights with competing promoters to please fans - he wants to extend his own control and leverage so someday soon he is the vince mcmahon of boxing which will mean american boxing will be a wwe league of inhouse inside job "fights' all choreographed by the megalomaniac al haymon - and the great fighters like GGG Lomachenko Usyk Kovalev Beterbiev etc will be left on the outside looking in

Ain't Kovalev and Beterbiev in the same division whats stopping them from fighting each other. Lomachenko and GGG has done pretty well without haymond guess what who is GGG about to face a who fighter in Jacobs (Al Haymon fighter) all your point is now moot.

world ranked wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Mutual duck or double Ward's one ?

Ward wont fight Beterbiev and Haymon wont let Beterbiev fight Ward - Just like Floyd would not fight Williams and Haymon would not let Williams fight Floyd -

I guess those guys don't get credit for two guys that's on everyone P4P list like Kovalev or Canelo. Beterbiev has done nothing but beat no names. If you think beating Prieto gets you Ward your sadly mistaking. Or did Williams deserve Floyd before or after the first Quintana.

Beterbiev is ready for anybody... He would beat Ward up and probably knock Ward out... Who did Lomachenko beat before he trounced Gary Russell???

boxing_rocks wrote:

crusader wrote:Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

Beterbiev takes away Ward's alleged advantage in the inside game and can even stop the Son of Judges inside. Beterbiev is also a good enough boxer, so with his huge power advantage over Ward, I don't see a way of Ward lasting 12 rounds against him.

This sounds like exactly the same thing I heard before Ward fought Kovalev.

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

crusader wrote:Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

Beterbiev takes away Ward's alleged advantage in the inside game and can even stop the Son of Judges inside. Beterbiev is also a good enough boxer, so with his huge power advantage over Ward, I don't see a way of Ward lasting 12 rounds against him.

This sounds like exactly the same thing I heard before Ward fought Kovalev.

Kovalev didn't fight inside, but still won the fight. Beterbiev is better than Ward inside.

Haymon controls Beterbiev but is wasting him just like he wasted Paul Williams at 147 - Beterbiev would kill Stevenson but Haymon is protecting Stevenson - we will never know how great Beterbiev is because Haymon has his own grand schemes which do not include guiding Beterbiev to greatness -

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

crusader wrote:Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

Beterbiev takes away Ward's alleged advantage in the inside game and can even stop the Son of Judges inside. Beterbiev is also a good enough boxer, so with his huge power advantage over Ward, I don't see a way of Ward lasting 12 rounds against him.

This sounds like exactly the same thing I heard before Ward fought Kovalev.

Beterbiev has huge power advantage over Ward, with inside game as mighty weapon. Excuse me, but I can not see anything funny in these facts.
I don't claim he is a better boxer than Ward, but he is extremely strong puncher. If you consider the opposite...

montrealsuper wrote:Haymon controls Beterbiev but is wasting him just like he wasted Paul Williams at 147...

Are you suggesting that Al Haymon should be held accountable for personally inflicting a shoulder injury that forced Beterbiev to suffer a one-year layoff?

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

crusader wrote:Ward probably outboxes him, but Beterbiev's power and ability to fight inside make it interesting; I think he may have more single shot power than Kov, and he's much better than him in the last respect. In fact, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Beterbiev is more dangerous in close quarters than any of Ward's opponents.

The biggest issues I see with Beterbiev are that he often wildly and openly rushes forward to close distance, and he regularly telegraphs wide shots when he's not up close. When he's on the inside, however, he packs a lot of force into punches that seem to travel only a few inches, and I can see him catching Ward with something hurtful.

Beterbiev takes away Ward's alleged advantage in the inside game and can even stop the Son of Judges inside. Beterbiev is also a good enough boxer, so with his huge power advantage over Ward, I don't see a way of Ward lasting 12 rounds against him.

This sounds like exactly the same thing I heard before Ward fought Kovalev.

I also read plenty of 'Ward outboxes him handily', 'Ward schools him', and even 'You know, I actually like Ward by stoppage' (aka the boxing hipster prediction). For pretty much any competitively matched fight you'll get people on both sides who are well off the mark, and/or predict as if they have a crystal ball when they obviously don't.

Beterbiev and Kov are different fighters stylistically (Bet loves the inside, Kov is a longer distance guy), and Beterbiev, though less refined than Kov, is bringing more one shot power and physical strength in my opinion. Ward is at a level where the only non-Kov opponent I'd pick to best him are cruisers and heavys, but Beterbiev's strength, KO power, and inside game make him a threat; Ward has mainly been an up close fighter for the last few years, and against Beterbiev he'd be facing someone who packs KO pop into an array of very short shots and may well be the toughest guy at 175 to push around.

Of course, Ward is an excellent fighter with many tools, but I think his usual get in tight, smother, and negate gameplan would be a far riskier approach than normal, as this time closing distance probably wouldn't amount to being home free. I think Ward could be best served by stepping out of his most comfortable zone and boxing more from outside, which he can still do quite well.

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Haymon controls Beterbiev but is wasting him just like he wasted Paul Williams at 147...

Are you suggesting that Al Haymon should be held accountable for personally inflicting a shoulder injury that forced Beterbiev to suffer a one-year layoff?

Haymon is wasting Beterbiev - should make Beterbiev vs Stevenson but has no plans to do it and has not even tried to do it because Stevenson is a protected fraud -