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Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

I read the Boxing Scene Article and it say's nothing about weight. 20 million could mean if Pacquiao had to cut weight to fight Crawford. Which isn't out of the realm if Pacquiao has to cut weight.

TooEasy12 wrote:Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

Are you aware of Pacquiao's typical fight purses?

Enlightened-One wrote:

TooEasy12 wrote:Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

Are you aware of Pacquiao's typical fight purses?

I'm aware of that fact that his actual fight purses are nowhere near 20 million guaranteed. Trilogy fight with Bradley was 7 million, Vargas fight was roughly 4 million.

PPV share is where Pacquiao makes the majority of his money, which leads to an overall higher earning for the fight.

TooEasy12 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

TooEasy12 wrote:Pacquiao wants 20 Million Guarantee to fight Crawford

Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

Are you aware of Pacquiao's typical fight purses?

I'm aware of that fact that his actual fight purses are nowhere near 20 million guaranteed. Trilogy fight with Bradley was 7 million, Vargas fight was roughly 4 million.

PPV share is where Pacquiao makes the majority of his money, which leads to an overall higher earning for the fight.

So it seems you’re conceding the fact that Manny typically earns $20m or more in total whenever he fights?

Pacquiao’s guarantee for his first fight against Timothy Bradley was $26m. The Filipino legend received a $20m guarantee for the 2014 rematch and then Top Rank guaranteed another $20m for last year’s third bout of the trilogy.

According to Forbes, when Pacquiao faced Timothy Bradley for the third time (last year), it was the tenth straight fight Pacquiao earned at least $20m, which would have dated back to his 2010 contest against Antonio Margarito.

Whilst Manny Pacquiao only accepted a guaranteed purse of $4m for the Vargas bout, he also received a percentage of the PPV revenue (as it achieved 300K buys).

Terence Crawford's bout against Viktor Postol was rumoured to have only generated 50K to 60K PPV buys.

It’s clear to see that in terms of the sport of boxing, PPV buys are generally on the decline, which means it’s prudent for Pacquiao to request a guaranteed purse to face Crawford rather than simply demand a share of the PPV revenue (as he did in his last outing).

In my mind it’s entirely reasonable for Pacquiao to demand $20m to fight a top ten ranked pound-for-pounder in the form of Terence Crawford, based on the typical paydays he received against lesser or similar calibre foes.

Why don’t you research the fight purses earned by Manny Pacquiao since 2009? To help you in this task, I’ve already provided hyperlinks to my sources.

20 is to much. but in a business conversation you start high and than lower your number. would be stupid if he started with 5 million and tried to climb to 7, doesnt work that way.

You'd have a stronger case OP if a $20m guarantee was highly abnormal for Pac

If he could get that for the third Bradley fight, you'd think he'd ask for something like $40m if he were really pricing himself out.

I'm sure it is $20 million + % of PPV etc.

Badhusker wrote:I'm sure it is $20 million + % of PPV etc.

Michael Koncz has been quoted in multiple articles as saying that Pacquiao only requires a $20m guarantee.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I'm sure it is $20 million + % of PPV etc.

Michael Koncz has been quoted in multiple articles as saying that Pacquiao only requires a $20m guarantee.

Yes, I realize that. When he was guaranteed $7 million or $4 million for his last couple of fights, once you add in the PPV and gate shares and whatever else, it is not surprising that he ends up making $20 million. Remember when he was offered a guaranteed $40 million from Floyd? He turned it down because he knew he would make much more on the backside. Up to the Bradley fights, it was normal for Pac to be guaranteed $20 million, but since his PPV has dropped his last few fights were different. To really simplify it - if Pac vs Vargas Pac was guaranteed $4 million, and he got NO share of PPV or anything else, he would end up with $4 million. The guarantee is on the front side only.

At first I thought he was pricing himself out, but honestly think he deserves the money, since he has made millions for Arum, and the fight would be in house. Pac has one or two fights left, so he is smart to want to cash out on his last couple. Who knows, he may beat Crawford, and it could end up a trilogy making many millions. Pacquiao is just awkward enough of a fighter to surprise Crawford, who if you remember was hurt by a smaller Gamboa. Very tough fight for both guys.

If I read the article correctly he wants a 20 million dollar purse, and that's excluding the PPV revenue. And you're spot on when you say he's fighting a Top 10 P4P fighter who's clearly on the come-up and who Top Rank is grooming to be a PPV star in his own right. You can't leave a guy like Crawford with peanuts. So if I'm interpreting the article correctly, Pac is essentially pricing himself out of the fight in the early going.

Furthermore, articles were just released today re-enforcing the idea that Arum wants to match PAC with Horn. Really? Horn? You have to be kidding me...

Let's face the facts here... PAC wants no part of Crawford.

TooEasy12 wrote:If I read the article correctly he wants a 20 million dollar purse, and that's excluding the PPV revenue.

PAC wants no part of Crawford.

You read the article wrong. The demand was for a guaranteed $20m only.

If you review Pacquiao's historical paydays, you'll find that he usually earns $20m per fight since the Margarito bout of 2010.

Surely a guarantee is a minimum purse and thus if the numbers the EO posted are correct, $20m doesn't seem unreasonable. Remember the $20m just protects Pac if the fight flops, it doesn't mean he gets that $20m and his regular share of PPV numbers. More he is certain to get the $20m then his share of PPV's on anything that would then exceed the $20m. It essentially covers him if the PPV does poor numbers.

I actually quite like this kind of deal as it means the promoter(s) have to do their job if they want to get a good payday themselves. Obviously only fighters with a proven track record are going to be able to demand such deals though, Ward aside.

TooEasy12 wrote:If I read the article correctly he wants a 20 million dollar purse, and that's excluding the PPV revenue. And you're spot on when you say he's fighting a Top 10 P4P fighter who's clearly on the come-up and who Top Rank is grooming to be a PPV star in his own right. You can't leave a guy like Crawford with peanuts. So if I'm interpreting the article correctly, Pac is essentially pricing himself out of the fight in the early going.

Furthermore, articles were just released today re-enforcing the idea that Arum wants to match PAC with Horn. Really? Horn? You have to be kidding me...

Let's face the facts here... PAC wants no part of Crawford.

Rousey Nunes?

And even if Crawford is being set up to be the next guy, he isn't a big seller at all and no one mainstream know who he is. He really doesn't bring anything business wise to the table unless he wins.

Pac knows Arum would rig the decision to be won by the crown jewel with the longer revenue generating potential (TC) - so he wants to get paid for the heist -

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I'm sure it is $20 million + % of PPV etc.

Michael Koncz has been quoted in multiple articles as saying that Pacquiao only requires a $20m guarantee.

As a minimum.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I'm sure it is $20 million + % of PPV etc.

Michael Koncz has been quoted in multiple articles as saying that Pacquiao only requires a $20m guarantee.

As a minimum.

What's the purpose of your comment? If Pacquiao gets paid a guaranteed $20m, he'll fight Crawford.

Bradley was once an up and coming undefeated boxer at the top of 140 willing to move to 147 for Pacquiao just like Crawford. For their first fight, Pacquiao received $20mil guarantee to Bradley's 6 million.

IKSRTFO wrote:Bradley was once an up and coming undefeated boxer at the top of 140 willing to move to 147 for Pacquiao just like Crawford. For their first fight, Pacquiao received $20mil guarantee to Bradley's 6 million.

Pacquiao’s guarantee for his first fight against Timothy Bradley was $26m, with the American being paid $5m.

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Bradley was once an up and coming undefeated boxer at the top of 140 willing to move to 147 for Pacquiao just like Crawford. For their first fight, Pacquiao received $20mil guarantee to Bradley's 6 million.

Pacquiao’s guarantee for his first fight against Timothy Bradley was $26m, with the American being paid $5m.

Even better that he was paid more. According to the OP, I guess he didn't want to fight Bradley neither.

TooEasy12 wrote:Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

The reason Crawford, Thurman, Brook and others didn't become super big PPV stars -- is Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, and Khan refused to fight them.

Kalan wrote:

TooEasy12 wrote:Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

The reason Crawford, Thurman, Brook and others didn't become super big PPV stars -- is Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, and Khan refused to fight them.

This is incorrect.

It IS correct... Generally the last generation of boxers in a weight division fights the next generation.

In this case there's a very sharp division line that nobody has crossed.. Unless you're talking Robert Guerrero who fought both Floyd and Thurman.. and Thurman floored him for a 9-count and beat him by a 14-point better aggregate score.. And Thurman and Bradley both fought Chaves -- who Thurman dominated and knocked out and Bradley fought a draw with, looking like he'd been through a war.

But there's been no interaction between the main players from the 2 generations at all... Thurman yelled for Pacquiao and Floyd fights for years... Those guys certainly fought much lesser fighters like Algieri and Berto -- who are now matched with each other, how nice.. Algieri fought Spence and everyone knew he'd get slaughtered. They said "WTF is Algieri doing?" ... When Floyd fought Berto people said, "Floyd earned the right to choose his opponents."

Enlightened-One wrote:

Kalan wrote:

TooEasy12 wrote:Just another way of saying that he wants no part of Crawford.

The reason Crawford, Thurman, Brook and others didn't become super big PPV stars -- is Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, and Khan refused to fight them.

This is incorrect.

Kalan wrote:It IS correct... Generally the last generation of boxers in a weight division fights the next generation.

In this case there's a very sharp division line that nobody has crossed.. Unless you're talking Robert Guerrero who fought both Floyd and Thurman.. and Thurman floored him for a 9-count and beat him by a 14-point better aggregate score.. And Thurman and Bradley both fought Chaves -- who Thurman dominated and knocked out and Bradley fought a draw with, looking like he'd been through a war.

But there's been no interaction between the main players from the 2 generations at all... Thurman yelled for Pacquiao and Floyd fights for years... Those guys certainly fought much lesser fighters like Algieri and Berto -- who are now matched with each other, how nice.. Algieri fought Spence and everyone knew he'd get slaughtered. They said "WTF is Algieri doing?" ... When Floyd fought Berto people said, "Floyd earned the right to choose his opponents."

Keith Thurman was never on anyone’s radar as a genuine top-tier welterweight until the Shawn Porter bout. He’d never won a legitimate version of a world title inside the ring and prior to the Porter contest; his most notable victories came against veterans with recent poor form (i.e. Robert Guerrero & Luis Collazo).

Kell Brook has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over any top-ten world class welterweight (as his most prestigious victory came against Shawn Porter, with the UK boxing pundits for Sky and Box-Nation both believing he deserved to lose that contest). The Brit was also protected by Matchroom until the Golovkin bout, which was a no-lose situation. He had previously declined world title opportunities to face Timothy Bradley & Cornelius Bundrage, as well as withdrawing from another title opportunity against Devon Alexander. Despite being Manny Pacquiao’s long-time WBO top-rated challenger, Brook’s promoter never approached the Filipino for a bout.

Terence Crawford is a 140lb-er who refuses to make the jump to welterweight until he has unified all the titles in his own weight division. Indeed, after the Postol fight, Crawford said that he wouldn’t be willing to face Pacquiao at welterweight. So he’s not even in the same weight class as the guys you mention (Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, and Khan).

In terms of your claim that Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, and Khan all refusing to share the ring with the likes of Crawford, Thurman and Brook… there was nothing to “refuse” since no fights had ever been offered or even negotiated.

The bottom line: prior to the start of 2016, Crawford, Thurman and Brook were either anonymous names or generally deemed unworthy of opportunities to face the likes of Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley etc. In 2016, Mayweather was already retired, Pacquiao had temporarily retired (but still faced decent opposition by facing Bradley and Vargas)… with Bradley and Khan both having bigger fish to fry (by facing Pacquiao and Canelo respectively).

Enlightened-One wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Michael Koncz has been quoted in multiple articles as saying that Pacquiao only requires a $20m guarantee.

As a minimum.

What's the purpose of your comment? If Pacquiao gets paid a guaranteed $20m, he'll fight Crawford.

It's $20m minimum. He is on a percentage of the PPV money. If his total purse surpasses that, then he'll get more. That's the purpose of my comment, I'd have thought it was obvious really.