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Always a lot of mention of boxers and their career but I'm thinking that sometimes unjustly neglected by trainers who are responsible for many great boxing career.


Who is in your opinion the best and most successful?

Keko wrote:Always a lot of mention of boxers and their career but I'm thinking that sometimes unjustly neglected by trainers who are responsible for many great boxing career.


Who is in your opinion the best and most successful?

Eddie Futch and Angelo Dundee

Ray Arcel comes to mind. But, the best ever was the great Eddie Futch

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Billy Delaney
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Trained Corbett for the Sullivan fight; Jefferies for the Fitzsimmons/Corbett fights; Johnson for the Jefferies fight. Three world HW champions, and no loyalty, I guess. - Does anyone else have three HW champs on their resume? (I am actually asking; I don't know.)


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I just wanted to add, if you look at Billy Delaney's picture, just up-date the clothes and you can stand him right next to Dundee, Futch, and Arcel and he would fit right in. - He looks like a trainer is suppose to look.

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Billy Delaney
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Trained Corbett for the Sullivan fight; Jefferies for the Fitzsimmons/Corbett fights; Johnson for the Jefferies fight. Three world HW champions, and no loyalty, I guess. - Does anyone else have three HW champs on their resume? (I am actually asking; I don't know.)


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Emanuel Stewart has three: Wlad, Lewis and Holyfield (for the Bowe rematch). Four if you count Moorer's then lightly regarded WBO belt.

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:

APerno wrote:. . . . . . . . .
Billy Delaney
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Trained Corbett for the Sullivan fight; Jefferies for the Fitzsimmons/Corbett fights; Johnson for the Jefferies fight. Three world HW champions, and no loyalty, I guess. - Does anyone else have three HW champs on their resume? (I am actually asking; I don't know.)


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Emanuel Stewart has three: Wlad, Lewis and Holyfield (for the Bowe rematch). Four if you count Moorer's then lightly regarded WBO belt.

Then I would say four - Moorer was certainly a HW champ; a lineal champ.

ginty wrote:

APerno wrote:

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:
Emanuel Stewart has three: Wlad, Lewis and Holyfield (for the Bowe rematch). Four if you count Moorer's then lightly regarded WBO belt.

Then I would say four - Moorer was certainly a HW champ; a lineal champ.

Didn't he train Oliver McCall vs Lennox

Oh yeah, forgot about McCall.

Moorer's lineal (+ WBA & IBF) claim came with beating Holyfield though, which he did under Teddy Atlas. I'm inclined to count the WBO anyway, I just thought it best to acknowledge it's contentiousness at the time.

Boxing Writer wrote:

Keko wrote:Always a lot of mention of boxers and their career but I'm thinking that sometimes unjustly neglected by trainers who are responsible for many great boxing career.


Who is in your opinion the best and most successful?

Eddie Futch and Angelo Dundee

Boxing Writer has the beat.

I'd say Jack Blackburn. He trained Joe Louis, Sammy Mandell. Bud Taylor, John Henry Lewis, George Godfrey, and other historically significant fighters.

As a boxer, Blackburn often fought much larger men: giving up 20 to 50 pounds to guys like Sam Langford, Gunboat Smith, Harry Greb, Mike Donovan, Philadelphia Jack O’Brien and other historically well known boxers. He fought over 160 fights in a fistic career that lasted around 23 years. His knowledge of the stance, jab, footwork, defense, and counter punching was legendary.

Many trainers like Dundee, Clancy, Goosen, Arcel, and D’Amato never actually boxed themselves. You don’t see this phenomena a lot in other sports, but there’s something about Boxing that makes everyone an instant expert. Like charismatic politicians imposing their ideas by sheer force of personality, guys who never fought hook up with top prospects and world champions and start telling them how to fight.

Blackburn didn’t have a dominant personality or physical presence. He was a very humble and soft spoken guy who took his time. Joe Louis was easily the best Heavyweight in the world 14 months after he turned pro when he quickly demolished Max Baer, who had never been stopped before. Louis was a guy who liked to play golf, chase women, and stay out at night. If Louis had the discipline of the Klitschko’s, you wonder how long he would have held the title.

Blackburn died at 59. Had he enjoyed great health and lived a long life span, no doubt he would have accomplished even more.

HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:

ginty wrote:

APerno wrote:

Then I would say four - Moorer was certainly a HW champ; a lineal champ.

Didn't he train Oliver McCall vs Lennox

Oh yeah, forgot about McCall.

Moorer's lineal (+ WBA & IBF) claim came with beating Holyfield though, which he did under Teddy Atlas. I'm inclined to count the WBO anyway, I just thought it best to acknowledge it's contentiousness at the time.

Back to three- "I don't recognize no stinking sanctioning bodies"

Dundee, Futch and Arcel are all worthy candidates, but I would go with the great Jackie McCoy (real name: Warren Spaw), who died of cancer in 1997. Perhaps best known for taking teenager Mando Ramos to the world lightweight championship in 1969, McCoy, who was 34-12 as featherweight in the 50s, also made world champions of welterweights Don Jordan (1958-60) and Carlos Palomino (1977-79), featherweight Raul Rojas (1968) and lightweight Rodolfo Gonzalez (1972-'74). In the 1980s he worked with South African heavyweight contender Gerry Coetzee and 1984 Olympic silver medalist Willie de Wit, who won the Canadian heavyweight championship and retired 21-1-1 (14 KOs).

Mando Ramos and Don Jordon aren't the caliber of Joe Louis and Sammy Mandell... McCoy didn't have 160 plus pro fights -- many with legendary opponents.