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Blatantly piggy backing on the success of Horses domestic challenge (and being run largely by myself because Horse is to lazy to run 2) we now will have an international version running on weekly basis.
Similar set up, show a fight from the past, discuss and score the fight, usually with a supplemebtary fight or 2.

To those who enjoyed the British version, hopefully this proves as successful and educational and helps to widen our eyes to the rich past of the sport beyond these shore and before many of us were born.

To those that moaned at Horse 12 months ago, you now have twice as many 52 week challenge posts cluttering up the forum. Sorry guys!


I will have the obvious advantage of having a far deeper pool of fights and fighters to pick from. America alone has a far greater range of televised fights and that's before we delve into the other continents. Any suggestions will be appreciated and all will be considered for selection. If we are short of suggestions from others however, I'm sure I will manage to keep us going.

I'll avoid fights involving Brits, for obvious reasons, it'll clash with the other thread, however I may consult with Horse as there's some older stuff I'd like to put up which he might not bother with. I'd like to occasionally look at older fighters who lack a lot footage, which may look more like a case study/investigation than the fight study but if it isn't going to get much attention I might abandon that idea.

As with the last one, there's not a lot of rules to this. I'll try to spread it well across the decades, across the weight classes and now across the continents. I'm already weary of getting stuck on American fights.

I covered the fabulous 4 in the first one (i'm sure we'll visit them again).
I considered a heavyweight bout but it's difficult to cover that without focusing on the states, so for my second week I was considering the Ruben Olivarez vs Chucho Castillo battles. 2 Mexican bantamweights legends I've been planning on looking at for the last few weeks since someone recommended them on the boxing history forum.

Any questions or suggestions are welcome. We can take ablook at a particular fighter, a rivalry or like this week, look at an 'era'.
We'll track the progress of the challenege on here.

I'll use this post to keep track of fights we've watched.

Week 1 - Leonard/Hearns.- http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=207995
Week 2 - Olivarez/Castillo 1 - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=208158
Week 3 - Emile Griffith vs Nino Benvenuti - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=208339
Week 4 - Salvador Sanchez vs Danny Lopez - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=208467
Week 5 - Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=208651
Week 6 - Henry Armstrong - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=208877
Week 7 - Carlos Monzon - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209080
Week 8 - Legends of light fly weight -
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209294
Week 9 - Basillio/Gavilan - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209579
Week 10 - Jimmy Young - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209738
Week 11 - Ricardo Lopez - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=209945
Week 12 - Evander Holyfield at Cruizer - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=210172
Week 13 - Jeff Fenech vs Azumah Nelson - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=210446
Week 14 - Archie Moore - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=210571

Supplementary fight
Week 1 - Hagler v Hearns and Leonard vs Duran (no mas)
Week 2 - Chucho Castillo v Lionel Rose
Week 3 - Emile Griffith vs Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Week 4 - Salvador Sanchez vs Wilfredo Gomez and Danny Lopez vs Mike Ayala
Week 5 - Joe Louis vs Max Baer & Max Schmeling vs Max Baer
Week 6 - Henri Armstrong vs Barney Ross & Lou Amber
Week 7 - Carlos Monzon vs Briscoe II & Valdez II

Like the idea and I'll try and join in when I can.

My knowledge of the past and old fights I have seen is quite fractured

I've got a book on my kindle about emile Griffith I'll be reading some point soon so I'll want to watch some of his fights soon.

Naandrew wrote:Like the idea and I'll try and join in when I can.

My knowledge of the past and old fights I have seen is quite fractured

I've got a book on my kindle about emile Griffith I'll be reading some point soon so I'll want to watch some of his fights soon.

A man's world? It's on my wish list.

I'll take that as a request, I'll see what Griffith fight I can find for next week.
I started the first week a tad late, so I'm probably going to get the 3rd one up soon to get it back to the start of the week.

I'm thinking the fight of the year winner in his first bout with Benvenuti would be an obvious choice.
I'd like to show him at welterweight too and prefferably in a good winning performance.
I had considered the fatal third bout with Paret, it has as much historical significance as any and I've never seen it, objections will be appreciated, I'm of the understanding the finish could make for difficult watching..

davie wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Like the idea and I'll try and join in when I can.

My knowledge of the past and old fights I have seen is quite fractured

I've got a book on my kindle about emile Griffith I'll be reading some point soon so I'll want to watch some of his fights soon.

A man's world? It's on my wish list.

I'll take that as a request, I'll see what Griffith fight I can find for next week.
I started the first week a tad late, so I'm probably going to get the 3rd one up soon to get it back to the start of the week.

I'm thinking the fight of the year winner in his first bout with Benvenuti would be an obvious choice.
I'd like to show him at welterweight too and prefferably in a good winning performance.
I had considered the fatal third bout with Paret, it has as much historical significance as any and I've never seen it, objections will be appreciated, I'm of the understanding the finish could make for difficult watching..

Yeah by Donald McRae. Really enjoyed dark trade and particularly the Joe Louis Jesse Owens book so bought that.

Salvador Sanchez is a fighter I'm aware of but not really watched. So what ever his best fight was would be a request from me.

Naandrew wrote:Salvador Sanchez is a fighter I'm aware of but not really watched. So what ever his best fight was would be a request from me.

Ive seen the Nelson and Cowdell fights, he was class although Cowdell pushed him all the way

Naandrew wrote:Salvador Sanchez is a fighter I'm aware of but not really watched. So what ever his best fight was would be a request from me.

Either Lopez fight, Gomez, or Nelson, are all tremendous

I had a little spell of watching Sanchez fights last year. I watched the Nelson and Gomez fights, 2 of his best known wins.
Cowdell would be Horses jurisdiction

Might go for a Lopez fight

I had planned a heavyweight fight for this week but that can wait. I'm having real bother deciding which to pick, wanted to start with a big one, so was torn between Louis/Schmeling, Ali/Frazier or Tyson/Douglas

Gentlemen, I was giving thought to moving this thread to the history forum, it's had a somewhat lukewarm response on here and may get more interest over there.
The majority of guys that respond to them (Counter-puncher, Hands of stone, Horse, Naanrdew and autobarn), post over there, to my knowledge, so I wondered if it might be better suited over on the history forum. It would of course result in the likes of Golden oldie, Kalan and elmersalsa turning it in to a shit slinging contest, but at least it would generate some debate

I'll drop a thread in there to see if there would be interest in a regular thread over there, if not I might drop it

davie wrote:Gentlemen, I was giving thought to moving this thread to the history forum, it's had a somewhat lukewarm response on here and may get more interest over there.
The majority of guys that respond to them (Counter-puncher, Hands of stone, Horse, Naanrdew and autobarn), post over there, to my knowledge, so I wondered if it might be better suited over on the history forum. It would of course result in the likes of Golden oldie, Kalan and elmersalsa turning it in to a poo slinging contest, but at least it would generate some debate

I'll drop a thread in there to see if there would be interest in a regular thread over there, if not I might drop it

I'm gonna start this years challenges at some point this year, ive been working through loads of old fights in the last year or 2 but it was too much to go through the fights I wanted to see myself and Horse's challenge, TBH there isn't many fights left that I really want to see so I should be back in the game in a few weeks

Was thinking whether sor Rungvisai could be considered the greatest ever fighter from Thailand because of his win last night

Whilst I have heard of Khaosai Galaxy I've never seen him fight. Thought him and his twin brother is a good idea for the challenge after all they have history being the first twins to hold world titles simultaneously.

Naandrew wrote:Was thinking whether sor Rungvisai could be considered the greatest ever fighter from Thailand because of his win last night

Whilst I have heard of Khaosai Galaxy I've never seen him fight. Thought him and his twin brother is a good idea for the challenge after all they have history being the first twins to hold world titles simultaneously.

No, there was a recent greatest fighter from Thailand thread. It can be considered amongst the greatest wins.

Naandrew wrote:Was thinking whether sor Rungvisai could be considered the greatest ever fighter from Thailand because of his win last night

Whilst I have heard of Khaosai Galaxy I've never seen him fight. Thought him and his twin brother is a good idea for the challenge after all they have history being the first twins to hold world titles simultaneously.

I've done a few on the little guys recently, was looking at either Archie Moore or Cruiserweight Holyfield for the next one, maybe someone around welterweight after that and wanted to get a Jeff Fenech fight up too, still never got round to watching him yet, been meaning to watch the Azumah Nelson fights for years now.

But Galaxy will get added to the list

I've done Holyfield, Fenech and Moore and I'll stick Galaxy up next week.

Any more suggestions of fighters we want to see, or any particular bouts?

We'll have covered a lot of fights from featherweight and below and Light heavyweight and above.
Probably looking for something in the mid-range weight classes from lightweight to super middleweight