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i have to say, the guy seem realy nice, think he would be cool to hang out with, honestly. with some sentences from him i am a bit irritating cause he is contradicting himself

floyd:"manny and conor has bosses, i am my own boss" so what was haymon than good for if you were the capo?
floyd:"i am not boxing anymore as of right now" for 100 million i am boxing conor?

he says one thing, than says the opposite. that aside, he also says totaly correct things, he is the a side, he already made close to a billion dollar, 300 in 1 fight, conor made like 15 at best in fight, so is totaly inferior on a business table talk. dana always acts like his mma retards are so tough and the ultimate fighters, than lets bring them into the boxing ring dana prides himself that boxers (old out of shape) like toney lost in mma, than lets bring your best mma fighter over to boxing and look how inferior those mma cats are

i didnt knew that floyds body broke down after mitchell or gatti fight. maybe just an excuse of fighting 90 % defensive. i dont know, all i got to say is, that floyd realy seems a nice dude and still dont hope he comes back, cause boring style stays boring style.

Yawn.

also very very true what i want to point out from floyds second espn interview is when he says "so ali is the best in your eyes cause he was in wars, there is nothing cool about taking punishmant" and he true, floyd is more skillful than ali and more techniquly sound, with equaly even better footwork than ali and he in his prime would have circled around opponents instead of getting pounded on the ropes.

also great comment from floyd:"when ali was boxing the world hated him, once he barely moving, taking punishmants, all of the sudden everybody loved him." often times i have seen it how nice people are to somebody when the "somebody" is on the rock bottum. cause most people are actualy happy when others fail, than they feel superior and gentle to the weak

Jip wrote:also very very true what i want to point out from floyds second espn interview is when he says "so ali is the best in your eyes cause he was in wars, there is nothing cool about taking punishmant" and he true, floyd is more skillful than ali and more techniquly sound, with equaly even better footwork than ali and he in his prime would have circled around opponents instead of getting pounded on the ropes.

also great comment from floyd:"when ali was boxing the world hated him, once he barely moving, taking punishmants, all of the sudden everybody loved him." often times i have seen it how nice people are to somebody when the "somebody" is on the rock bottum. cause most people are actualy happy when others fail, than they feel superior and gentle to the weak

It's not because he's had wars because really, he has many fights where he coasted and Floyd had many fights where he destroyed opponents. Ali is the best (Floyd's words, not mine) because he fought everyone in their prime. He ended up in more wars because those fighters were are the top of their game when he fougth them. Not just top fighters but legends. I'm sorry, Corrales isn't a legend. Ricky Hatton isn't a legend. Great fighters yes, legends no. Frazier is a legend. Foreman is a legend. Ali fought both legends and top fighters. Aside from Frazier, no one beat him at his peak until he himself was past his prime. I can't think of a top heavyweight during his time period he didn't fight.

Frazier X3
Foreman
Norton X3
Liston X2
Patterson X2
Archie Moore
Quarry
Lyle

IKSRTFO wrote:

Jip wrote:also very very true what i want to point out from floyds second espn interview is when he says "so ali is the best in your eyes cause he was in wars, there is nothing cool about taking punishmant" and he true, floyd is more skillful than ali and more techniquly sound, with equaly even better footwork than ali and he in his prime would have circled around opponents instead of getting pounded on the ropes.

also great comment from floyd:"when ali was boxing the world hated him, once he barely moving, taking punishmants, all of the sudden everybody loved him." often times i have seen it how nice people are to somebody when the "somebody" is on the rock bottum. cause most people are actualy happy when others fail, than they feel superior and gentle to the weak

It's not because he's had wars because really, he has many fights where he coasted and Floyd had many fights where he destroyed opponents. Ali is the best (Floyd's words, not mine) because he fought everyone in their prime. He ended up in more wars because those fighters were are the top of their game when he fougth them. Not just top fighters but legends. I'm sorry, Corrales isn't a legend. Ricky Hatton isn't a legend. Great fighters yes, legends no. Frazier is a legend. Foreman is a legend. Ali fought both legends and top fighters. Aside from Frazier, no one beat him at his peak until he himself was past his prime. I can't think of a top heavyweight during his time period he didn't fight.

Frazier X3
Foreman
Norton X3
Liston X2
Patterson X2
Archie Moore
Quarry
Lyle

not getting the 'Floyd has better footwork' comment either.

Mayweather is an arrogant prick.

I respect his honesty about 'boxing smart' and being more interested in business than sporting achievement. You can't knock it. The amount of money he's made is insane so hats off to him.

But he's an arrogant prick.

Only a fool believes one word from Floyd - he was totally protected by Haymon's corruption and manipulations - he's not a true great he's just an artificial pretender masquerading as a great - most fans were rope a doped by the fraud - but look at the facts: with Floyd as the face of boxing for a decade now boxing is in the dumps because the public aint buying it anymore - the public has turned their collective backs on boxing - the proof is that a female UFC fight (Rousey vs Nunes) drew over a million PPV buys while Kovalev Ward drew only $175k - boxing is officially a joke now when UFC girls are bigger sellers than two of boxing's greatest talents - Floyd and Haymon cheating the sport and the fans with their handpicking ducking lying and self serving interests have destroyed boxing and left it in a horrible state - the fraud reign of Floyd perpetrated by Al Haymon are guilty and deserve full blame If you don't realize it or deny you you have been brainwashed or your're incredible naive -

IKSRTFO wrote:

Jip wrote:also very very true what i want to point out from floyds second espn interview is when he says "so ali is the best in your eyes cause he was in wars, there is nothing cool about taking punishmant" and he true, floyd is more skillful than ali and more techniquly sound, with equaly even better footwork than ali and he in his prime would have circled around opponents instead of getting pounded on the ropes.

also great comment from floyd:"when ali was boxing the world hated him, once he barely moving, taking punishmants, all of the sudden everybody loved him." often times i have seen it how nice people are to somebody when the "somebody" is on the rock bottum. cause most people are actualy happy when others fail, than they feel superior and gentle to the weak

It's not because he's had wars because really, he has many fights where he coasted and Floyd had many fights where he destroyed opponents. Ali is the best (Floyd's words, not mine) because he fought everyone in their prime. He ended up in more wars because those fighters were are the top of their game when he fougth them. Not just top fighters but legends. I'm sorry, Corrales isn't a legend. Ricky Hatton isn't a legend. Great fighters yes, legends no. Frazier is a legend. Foreman is a legend. Ali fought both legends and top fighters. Aside from Frazier, no one beat him at his peak until he himself was past his prime. I can't think of a top heavyweight during his time period he didn't fight.

Frazier X3
Foreman
Norton X3
Liston X2
Patterson X2
Archie Moore
Quarry
Lyle

pacquiao
canelo
hoya
mosley
cotto
marquez
judah

isnt bad either, although he got gift descisions like the draw against pac or the robbery wins against maidana. but didnt ali get gift descision against norton

lets for one time not go by record, but by actual skillset.

at floyds and alis prime, who had better

power ali
footwork equal
defensive ability mayweather
speed mayweather
chin equal
condition mayweather

all i am sayn is prime floyd is a better boxer than prime ali. does ali have a much better record than floyd, yes ali got a better record cause he had luck being born into a heavyweight era with a lot of great superstar opponents. but record and actual ability are 2 seperated things. a boxer cannot 100 % determin what his record is, because he cannot change the number of good opponents in his division, when he is born into a generation where in his division there arent many high quality opponents, than it isnt his fault. where a boxer has 100 % control is how he trains, how he develops his skills. in the history of boxing there arent many guys who trained as hard as floyd, from start to finsih of his long career, he gave close to 100 %. ali hated training and often didnt came into peak shape to his fights.

If Floyd loves boxing he'd put his energy into the current American scene and play a role in the background and get his honours later, time to go to work.

montrealsuper wrote:Only a fool believes one word from Floyd - he was totally protected by Haymon's corruption and manipulations - he's not a true great he's just an artificial pretender masquerading as a great - most fans were rope a doped by the fraud - but look at the facts: with Floyd as the face of boxing for a decade now boxing is in the dumps because the public aint buying it anymore - the public has turned their collective backs on boxing - the proof is that a female UFC fight (Rousey vs Nunes) drew over a million PPV buys while Kovalev Ward drew only $175k - boxing is officially a joke now when UFC girls are bigger sellers than two of boxing's greatest talents - Floyd and Haymon cheating the sport and the fans with their handpicking ducking lying and self serving interests have destroyed boxing and left it in a horrible state - the fraud reign of Floyd perpetrated by Al Haymon are guilty and deserve full blame If you don't realize it or deny you you have been brainwashed or your're incredible naive -

you know, to be totaly honest, this is true about money mayweather.

but when floyd was pretty boy mayweather he had a skillset i have rarely seen in a boxer. complet package, crazy athletic, crazy fast, good power, crazy good footwork, coudlnt touch the guy, i mean he looked like mini roy jones jr in that corrales fight, unbelievable.

Jip wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Only a fool believes one word from Floyd - he was totally protected by Haymon's corruption and manipulations - he's not a true great he's just an artificial pretender masquerading as a great - most fans were rope a doped by the fraud - but look at the facts: with Floyd as the face of boxing for a decade now boxing is in the dumps because the public aint buying it anymore - the public has turned their collective backs on boxing - the proof is that a female UFC fight (Rousey vs Nunes) drew over a million PPV buys while Kovalev Ward drew only $175k - boxing is officially a joke now when UFC girls are bigger sellers than two of boxing's greatest talents - Floyd and Haymon cheating the sport and the fans with their handpicking ducking lying and self serving interests have destroyed boxing and left it in a horrible state - the fraud reign of Floyd perpetrated by Al Haymon are guilty and deserve full blame If you don't realize it or deny you you have been brainwashed or your're incredible naive -

you know, to be totaly honest, this is true about money mayweather.

but when floyd was pretty boy mayweather he had a skillset i have rarely seen in a boxer. complet package, crazy athletic, crazy fast, good power, crazy good footwork, coudlnt touch the guy, i mean he looked like mini roy jones jr in that corrales fight, unbelievable.

Yes Floyd was great at 135 but after that he was CAREFULLY protected and stopped improving - true greats don't need ANY protection

montrealsuper wrote:

Jip wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Only a fool believes one word from Floyd - he was totally protected by Haymon's corruption and manipulations - he's not a true great he's just an artificial pretender masquerading as a great - most fans were rope a doped by the fraud - but look at the facts: with Floyd as the face of boxing for a decade now boxing is in the dumps because the public aint buying it anymore - the public has turned their collective backs on boxing - the proof is that a female UFC fight (Rousey vs Nunes) drew over a million PPV buys while Kovalev Ward drew only $175k - boxing is officially a joke now when UFC girls are bigger sellers than two of boxing's greatest talents - Floyd and Haymon cheating the sport and the fans with their handpicking ducking lying and self serving interests have destroyed boxing and left it in a horrible state - the fraud reign of Floyd perpetrated by Al Haymon are guilty and deserve full blame If you don't realize it or deny you you have been brainwashed or your're incredible naive -

you know, to be totaly honest, this is true about money mayweather.

but when floyd was pretty boy mayweather he had a skillset i have rarely seen in a boxer. complet package, crazy athletic, crazy fast, good power, crazy good footwork, coudlnt touch the guy, i mean he looked like mini roy jones jr in that corrales fight, unbelievable.

Yes Floyd was great at 135 but after that he was CAREFULLY protected and stopped improving - true greats don't need ANY protection

only counterfeit greats do

Jip wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Jip wrote:also very very true what i want to point out from floyds second espn interview is when he says "so ali is the best in your eyes cause he was in wars, there is nothing cool about taking punishmant" and he true, floyd is more skillful than ali and more techniquly sound, with equaly even better footwork than ali and he in his prime would have circled around opponents instead of getting pounded on the ropes.

also great comment from floyd:"when ali was boxing the world hated him, once he barely moving, taking punishmants, all of the sudden everybody loved him." often times i have seen it how nice people are to somebody when the "somebody" is on the rock bottum. cause most people are actualy happy when others fail, than they feel superior and gentle to the weak

It's not because he's had wars because really, he has many fights where he coasted and Floyd had many fights where he destroyed opponents. Ali is the best (Floyd's words, not mine) because he fought everyone in their prime. He ended up in more wars because those fighters were are the top of their game when he fougth them. Not just top fighters but legends. I'm sorry, Corrales isn't a legend. Ricky Hatton isn't a legend. Great fighters yes, legends no. Frazier is a legend. Foreman is a legend. Ali fought both legends and top fighters. Aside from Frazier, no one beat him at his peak until he himself was past his prime. I can't think of a top heavyweight during his time period he didn't fight.

Frazier X3
Foreman
Norton X3
Liston X2
Patterson X2
Archie Moore
Quarry
Lyle

pacquiao
canelo
hoya
mosley
cotto
marquez
judah

isnt bad either, although he got gift descisions like the draw against pac or the robbery wins against maidana. but didnt ali get gift descision against norton

lets for one time not go by record, but by actual skillset.

at floyds and alis prime, who had better

power ali
footwork equal
defensive ability mayweather
speed mayweather
chin equal
condition mayweather

all i am sayn is prime floyd is a better boxer than prime ali. does ali have a much better record than floyd, yes ali got a better record cause he had luck being born into a heavyweight era with a lot of great superstar opponents. but record and actual ability are 2 seperated things. a boxer cannot 100 % determin what his record is, because he cannot change the number of good opponents in his division, when he is born into a generation where in his division there arent many high quality opponents, than it isnt his fault. where a boxer has 100 % control is how he trains, how he develops his skills. in the history of boxing there arent many guys who trained as hard as floyd, from start to finsih of his long career, he gave close to 100 %. ali hated training and often didnt came into peak shape to his fights.

It can be argued that only canelo, judah , and maybe marquez were in their prime. Floyd might have had the better skills by opinion but Ali proved his against legendary fighters at their best and sometimes while he wasn't at his own best. He never took fights when they seemed convenient. Oscar, Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mosley were far from their best when Floyd got to them. Agree, you can't choose what era you're in but you can choose when you fight the top competition that are and while Mosley and De La Hoya wasn't his fault at all, he didn't jump to fight Cotto, Pacquiao, and Williams when you could've. I remember a rumor he teased moving from 140 to 154 to fight Winky and when Winky said he'll do it, Floyd backed out.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Jip wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

It's not because he's had wars because really, he has many fights where he coasted and Floyd had many fights where he destroyed opponents. Ali is the best (Floyd's words, not mine) because he fought everyone in their prime. He ended up in more wars because those fighters were are the top of their game when he fougth them. Not just top fighters but legends. I'm sorry, Corrales isn't a legend. Ricky Hatton isn't a legend. Great fighters yes, legends no. Frazier is a legend. Foreman is a legend. Ali fought both legends and top fighters. Aside from Frazier, no one beat him at his peak until he himself was past his prime. I can't think of a top heavyweight during his time period he didn't fight.

Frazier X3
Foreman
Norton X3
Liston X2
Patterson X2
Archie Moore
Quarry
Lyle

pacquiao
canelo
hoya
mosley
cotto
marquez
judah

isnt bad either, although he got gift descisions like the draw against pac or the robbery wins against maidana. but didnt ali get gift descision against norton

lets for one time not go by record, but by actual skillset.

at floyds and alis prime, who had better

power ali
footwork equal
defensive ability mayweather
speed mayweather
chin equal
condition mayweather

all i am sayn is prime floyd is a better boxer than prime ali. does ali have a much better record than floyd, yes ali got a better record cause he had luck being born into a heavyweight era with a lot of great superstar opponents. but record and actual ability are 2 seperated things. a boxer cannot 100 % determin what his record is, because he cannot change the number of good opponents in his division, when he is born into a generation where in his division there arent many high quality opponents, than it isnt his fault. where a boxer has 100 % control is how he trains, how he develops his skills. in the history of boxing there arent many guys who trained as hard as floyd, from start to finsih of his long career, he gave close to 100 %. ali hated training and often didnt came into peak shape to his fights.

It can be argued that only canelo, judah , and maybe marquez were in their prime. Floyd might have had the better skills by opinion but Ali proved his against legendary fighters at their best and sometimes while he wasn't at his own best. He never took fights when they seemed convenient. Oscar, Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mosley were far from their best when Floyd got to them. Agree, you can't choose what era you're in but you can choose when you fight the top competition that are and while Mosley and De La Hoya wasn't his fault at all, he didn't jump to fight Cotto, Pacquiao, and Williams when you could've. I remember a rumor he teased moving from 140 to 154 to fight Winky and when Winky said he'll do it, Floyd backed out.

Ali electrified the sport - Floyd cheated and stole the fans $ with rubbish corrupt handpicked fake fights and sparring sessions - Ali transcended the sport to new highs - Floyd's ugly act sunk it too NEW LOWS -

montrealsuper wrote: - Floyd's ugly act sunk it too NEW LOWS -

Lower than biting a piece of someone's ear off? I think not. Excessive hyperbole is very popular these days!

ttornado wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: - Floyd's ugly act sunk it too NEW LOWS -

Lower than biting a piece of someone's ear off? I think not. Excessive hyperbole is very popular these days!

Tyson in his final years was certainly a shame to boxing but Floyd is even worse - Ronda Rousey sells more than Floyd now (she outsold Floyd vs Berto in PPV) -

montrealsuper wrote:Tyson in his final years was certainly a shame to boxing but Floyd is even worse - Ronda Rousey sells more than Floyd now (she outsold Floyd vs Berto in PPV) -

Selling less PPVs than Rousey doesn't make you worse than someone who bit part of the opponents ear off!
Ones business, the other is conduct in the ring. The latter is the most relevant to this discussion.

ttornado wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Tyson in his final years was certainly a shame to boxing but Floyd is even worse - Ronda Rousey sells more than Floyd now (she outsold Floyd vs Berto in PPV) -

Selling less PPVs than Rousey doesn't make you worse than someone who bit part of the opponents ear off!
Ones business, the other is conduct in the ring. The latter is the most relevant to this discussion.

Floyd's conduct and attitude outside the ring is repulsive and disgusting - no class whatsoever - spoiled brat -