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World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:00
by Horse
1. Roman Gonzalez
2. Sergey Kovalev
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Gennady Golovkin
5. Andre Ward
6. Terence Crawford
7. Saul Alvarez
8. Vasyl Lomachenko
9. Carl Frampton
10. Shinsuke Yamanaka
11. Keith Thurman
12. Timothy Bradley
13. Naoya Inoue
14. Danny Garcia
15. Donnie Nietes
16. Guillermo Rigondeaux
17. Juan Francisco Estrada
18. Carlos Cuadras
19. Adonis Stevenson
20. Tyson Fury (Inactive)
21. Wladimir Klitschko (Inactive)
22. Erislandy Lara
23. Oleksandr Usyk
24. Leo Santa Cruz
25. Jorge Linares
26. James DeGale
27. Kazuto Ioka
28. Jezreel Corrales
29. Abner Mares
30. Murat Gassiev
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:02
by gilgamesh
Pacquiao being so high, and Rigondeaux being so low seems wrong. Fury and Wlad being ranked at all seems wrong given their over 1 year of inactivity.
Other than that the list seems reasonable enough.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:10
by ElJefe
Murray and Groves are too high. Why is Andy Lee even there?
Having had a look I think it's alright. I'd have Rigo higher but can see why he's been dropped.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:12
by Horse
gilgamesh wrote:Pacquiao being so high, and Rigondeaux being so low seems wrong. Fury and Wlad being ranked at all seems wrong given their over 1 year of inactivity.
Other than that the list seems reasonable enough.
I was never going to please everyone.
I'll give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt because of his great record and he's still beating world ranked fighters pretty easily.
Rigondeaux hasn't even beaten a top 15 world ranked fighter in over 3 years now.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:19
by gilgamesh
Horse wrote:gilgamesh wrote:Pacquiao being so high, and Rigondeaux being so low seems wrong. Fury and Wlad being ranked at all seems wrong given their over 1 year of inactivity.
Other than that the list seems reasonable enough.
I was never going to please everyone.
I'll give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt because of his great record and he's still beating world ranked fighters pretty easily.
Rigondeaux hasn't even beaten a top 15 world ranked fighter in over 3 years now.
Pac's certainly still performing at a very high level I just don't think he's still P4P #3 good considering some of the guys we got around, but it's certainly a case you can make given the wonderful career he's had, and how well he still seems able to handle himself.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:42
by SaadOffTheDeck
Not bad at all, I wouldn't have Fury or Wlad in it but you've always rated Wlad highly.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:45
by BitPlayer
Why is Fury lower than Frampton here, but above him for British?
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 18:59
by Horse
ElJefe wrote:Murray and Groves are too high. Why is Andy Lee even there?
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ElJefe wrote:Having had a look I think it's alright. I'd have Rigo higher but can see why he's been dropped.
He might be washed up at world level for all we know.
His win over Donaire was almost 4 years ago now and that win is overrated anyway.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 19:02
by handsofstone
ElJefe wrote:Murray and Groves are too high. Why is Andy Lee even there?
Having had a look I think it's alright. I'd have Rigo higher but can see why he's been dropped.

Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 19:32
by Jip
good list
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 14 Jan 2017, 19:33
by ttornado
Jip wrote:good list
Chep how can you agree with Rigo at 16?
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 10:44
by Horse
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Not bad at all, I wouldn't have Fury or Wlad in it but you've always rated Wlad highly.
I rate heavyweights more highly than you do. It's not really about Wlad specifically.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 10:45
by Horse
BitPlayer wrote:Why is Fury lower than Frampton here, but above him for British?
Different rules.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 10:45
by Horse
Jip wrote:good list

Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 10:50
by SaadOffTheDeck
Horse wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Not bad at all, I wouldn't have Fury or Wlad in it but you've always rated Wlad highly.
I rate heavyweights more highly than you do. It's not really about Wlad specifically.
He's been the heavyweight barometer for a long time and I don't rate him in a p4p sense at all, ever. Not that I'm opposed to heavyweights being on lists, I just consider wlad and fury's greatest skill to be their size. Goes against the whole premise.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 10:52
by Impractical Poster
Decent
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 14:58
by In the know 85
That list is all over the place

Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 15:08
by DannyMCR
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 15 Jan 2017, 15:20
by Boxerbeetle
Horse wrote:BitPlayer wrote:Why is Fury lower than Frampton here, but above him for British?
Different rules.
Such as?
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 16 Jan 2017, 08:10
by Horse
Impractical Poster wrote:Decent

Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 16 Jan 2017, 08:10
by Horse
In the know 85 wrote:That list is all over the place

In what way?
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 16 Jan 2017, 08:11
by Horse
Boxerbeetle wrote:Such as?
I move fighters down the rankings for being inactive in this one.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 16 Jan 2017, 12:26
by In the know 85
Horse wrote:In the know 85 wrote:That list is all over the place

In what way?
Kovalev above ward even though lost??
Pacquiao above GGG? Really??
Rigondeaux as low as 16th?? If fury is on the list at all then he has to be top three? There are a few more blatant mistakes but these are the most obvious imo.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 16 Jan 2017, 12:36
by Horse
In the know 85 wrote:Kovalev above ward even though lost??
Most people thought that Kovalev deserved the decision.
In the know 85 wrote:Pacquiao above GGG? Really??
Who has Golovkin beaten that is better than Bradley?
Even in a boring year for Pacquiao he still beat a better opponent than Golovkin has ever beaten.
In the know 85 wrote:Rigondeaux as low as 16th??
What fighter in my top 30 has got a worse record in the last 3 years than Rigondeaux?
In the know 85 wrote:If fury is on the list at all then he has to be top three? There are a few more blatant mistakes but these are the most obvious imo.
Fury in the top 3?
Very few people will agree with you on that.
Re: World Top 30 P4P January 2017
Posted: 16 Jan 2017, 12:40
by In the know 85
Horse wrote:In the know 85 wrote:Kovalev above ward even though lost??
Most people thought that Kovalev deserved the decision.
In the know 85 wrote:Pacquiao above GGG? Really??
Who has Golovkin beaten that is better than Bradley?
Even in a boring year for Pacquiao he still beat a better opponent than Golovkin has ever beaten.
In the know 85 wrote:Rigondeaux as low as 16th??
What fighter in my top 30 has got a worse record in the last 3 years than Rigondeaux?
In the know 85 wrote:If fury is on the list at all then he has to be top three? There are a few more blatant mistakes but these are the most obvious imo.
Fury in the top 3?
Very few people will agree with you on that.
If he's on the list at all.. Then how can the lineal heavyweight champ of the world who is unbeaten with a healthy ko ratio not be in the top three??? You do the math
