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if the fight were made today, who wins?

Santa Cruz.

Gonna go with Frampton to come back stronger and find a way to get the W

Santa Cruz

Frampton has peaked...dont really want to see it again

Honestly think it's about as 50/50 as it's been so far

Belfast could be a big advantage to Carl though

WBA set to order trilogy - http://www.BS.com/santa-cruz-v ... ba--113648

Could go either way. I'd favor Frampton again, but nothing would surprise me. Except a KO win for either guy.

Frampton will win.

If Carl gets back to basics - moving backward, inviting LSC onto him, uses is defensive mastery and his counter-punching abattoir, and utilises his accurate jab.

Then yeah a clear Frampton victory (anywhere not called Vegas)

If Frampton came in heavy and headhunting again LSC would pretty much blank his a$$ next time. He needs to trim down, box and go body hard.

In Ireland Frampton likely gets the decision either way though, unless LSC improves between 2 and 3 as much as he did between 1 and 2. If that happens he stops Frampton mid to late.

Tanzio wrote:If that happens he stops Frampton mid to late.

If there's any sort of stoppage it will be in Frampton's favour.
I don't believe LSC has the power to stop him but Frampton hurt him early on in the 1st bout.

I'd love to see Carl knock him out...

Tanzio wrote:If Frampton came in heavy and headhunting again LSC would pretty much blank his a$$ next time. He needs to trim down, box and go body hard.

In Ireland Frampton likely gets the decision either way though, unless LSC improves between 2 and 3 as much as he did between 1 and 2. If that happens he stops Frampton mid to late.

I don't think Leo improved his technical skill all that much between the 1st fight to the 2nd, but he definitely came in with a much better strategic approach in the rematch. Forcing Frampton who's normally a counter puncher to play the role of aggressor.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote:If Frampton came in heavy and headhunting again LSC would pretty much blank his a$$ next time. He needs to trim down, box and go body hard.

In Ireland Frampton likely gets the decision either way though, unless LSC improves between 2 and 3 as much as he did between 1 and 2. If that happens he stops Frampton mid to late.

I don't think Leo improved his technical skill all that much between the 1st fight to the 2nd, but he definitely came in with a much better strategic approach in the rematch. Forcing Frampton who's normally a counter puncher to play the role of aggressor.

I disagree. LSC had a great gameplan but in order to implement it he had to improve his skillset significantly, footwork, ring management, jab, distance.

Crease wrote:

Tanzio wrote:If that happens he stops Frampton mid to late.

If there's any sort of stoppage it will be in Frampton's favour.
I don't believe LSC has the power to stop him but Frampton hurt him early on in the 1st bout.

I'd love to see Carl knock him out...

If Carl can accomplish it, I will also enjoy witnessing it. However, there were times in the 2nd fight where Frampton was largely clueless and having his ass handed to him.

If LSC continues to improve and Frampton comes in headhunting again, Leo will pummel him into submission.

It's not a fight I'd like to see. LSC was clearly the superior fighter and we saw Framptons level.

You won't see a Lomachenko losing to LSC.

TheLeprechaun wrote:You won't see a Lomachenko losing to LSC.

Of course you wouldn't Loma already moved out of the division.

Loma's onto the big leagues like Jason Sosa now...

In all seriousness though, unless he's looking to get up to Welterweight in the next couple of years I can't understand why Loma moved out of a stacked division with the likes of Mares, Selby, Frampton, LSC, Cuellar, Quigg to go hunting amongst Salido et al. No offence to the Super featherweights but it's just not as deep a weight class as the one below. Don't get me wrong, I rate Loma but I'd just rather see him fight one of the aforementioned names before Berchelt and Miura.

It just seems that there's more money and skill at Featherweight.

(and as an aside note, if he was back at FW then I could go back to dreaming of a Rigo V Loma fight, imagine it 2 Double Olympic Gold medalists going toe-to-toe for 12! There'd be more Gold medals in that ring than most countries have ever received!)

TheLeprechaun wrote:It's not a fight I'd like to see. LSC was clearly the superior fighter and we saw Framptons level.

You won't see a Lomachenko losing to LSC.

What's that got to do with anything? They have won one each. There's no certainty LSC wins the third fight especially if it's in Belfast. If he's clearly the superior fighter why didn't he win the first fight and why we're both fights close?

I doubt you'd see Frampton losing to Salido but again that's got nothing to do with anything!

If in Belfast ,, Frampton wins just by showing up ,, somewhere neutral , LSC wins purely by better tactics in the corner just like the last one .. For me whilst he's not a bad trainer , Mcguigan is not experienced enough to be handling these fighters at this level , just too young , not to say he won't get there in a few years , with more experience , but for now i think he's more of a celebrity trainer than a great trainer .

Stuarty30 wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:It's not a fight I'd like to see. LSC was clearly the superior fighter and we saw Framptons level.

You won't see a Lomachenko losing to LSC.

What's that got to do with anything? They have won one each. There's no certainty LSC wins the third fight especially if it's in Belfast. If he's clearly the superior fighter why didn't he win the first fight and why we're both fights close?

I doubt you'd see Frampton losing to Salido but again that's got nothing to do with anything!

The second fight wasn't close, sorry. LSC won as clear as day

And Lomachenko would beat Frampton and LSC on the same night.

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:It's not a fight I'd like to see. LSC was clearly the superior fighter and we saw Framptons level.

You won't see a Lomachenko losing to LSC.

What's that got to do with anything? They have won one each. There's no certainty LSC wins the third fight especially if it's in Belfast. If he's clearly the superior fighter why didn't he win the first fight and why we're both fights close?

I doubt you'd see Frampton losing to Salido but again that's got nothing to do with anything!

The second fight wasn't close, sorry. LSC won as clear as day

And Lomachenko would beat Frampton and LSC on the same night.

Your post went straight to on the money then down the sh!tter in two sentences flat.

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:It's not a fight I'd like to see. LSC was clearly the superior fighter and we saw Framptons level.

You won't see a Lomachenko losing to LSC.

What's that got to do with anything? They have won one each. There's no certainty LSC wins the third fight especially if it's in Belfast. If he's clearly the superior fighter why didn't he win the first fight and why we're both fights close?

I doubt you'd see Frampton losing to Salido but again that's got nothing to do with anything!

The second fight wasn't close, sorry. LSC won as clear as day

And Lomachenko would beat Frampton and LSC on the same night.

I had LSC winning the second fight clearly but there were a lot of close rounds. I don't see how you can suggest LSC is clearly the superior fighter when you take the two fights in to consideration. As I said, there's absolutely no certainty LSC wins the third. It's 50/50 IMO and Carl has the edge of in Belfast.

Your Lomachenko comment is just silly mate.

You're only as good as your last fight and that puts LSC a level above Frampton.

I'd take Mikey Garcia to beat both of them on the same night as well. At the most that's an even money shot, probably 4/5ish

TheLeprechaun wrote:You're only as good as your last fight and that puts LSC a level above Frampton.

I'd take Mikey Garcia to beat both of them on the same night as well. At the most that's an even money shot, probably 4/5ish

Garcia is a lightweight going on light welter. LSC and Frampton are both world level operators. You seem to be selling both guys short with you're daft 'beats em both on the same night' patter. You're entitled to your opinion though bruv

Stuarty30 wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:You're only as good as your last fight and that puts LSC a level above Frampton.

I'd take Mikey Garcia to beat both of them on the same night as well. At the most that's an even money shot, probably 4/5ish

Garcia is a lightweight going on light welter. LSC and Frampton are both world level operators. You seem to be selling both guys short with you're daft 'beats em both on the same night' patter. You're entitled to your opinion though bruv

They're not elite are they. Like you wouldn't expect Loma to lose a round. Garcia seems to be comfortably making 135 at the moment

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:You're only as good as your last fight and that puts LSC a level above Frampton.

I'd take Mikey Garcia to beat both of them on the same night as well. At the most that's an even money shot, probably 4/5ish

Garcia is a lightweight going on light welter. LSC and Frampton are both world level operators. You seem to be selling both guys short with you're daft 'beats em both on the same night' patter. You're entitled to your opinion though bruv

They're not elite are they. Like you wouldn't expect Loma to lose a round. Garcia seems to be comfortably making 135 at the moment

Did you expect Loma to lose to Salido? Things don't always turn out the way you'd expect in this sport. That's why we're all on here talking about it most nights. What is elite nowadays? Everyone has their critics. It's a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

Stuarty30 wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
Garcia is a lightweight going on light welter. LSC and Frampton are both world level operators. You seem to be selling both guys short with you're daft 'beats em both on the same night' patter. You're entitled to your opinion though bruv

They're not elite are they. Like you wouldn't expect Loma to lose a round. Garcia seems to be comfortably making 135 at the moment

Did you expect Loma to lose to Salido? Things don't always turn out the way you'd expect in this sport. That's why we're all on here talking about it most nights. What is elite nowadays? Everyone has their critics. It's a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

I'm gonna sound like a pr*ck here but I actually did pick Salido in that one only cos it was so early for Loma and Salido is a filthy fighter. I picked Salido over Juanma the first time when nobody did. I think there's a difference between LSC and the Loma/Rigo/Garcia and I'd put Russell Jr in that elite class even though he lost to Loma. All of those guys would beat LSC, I think they would all be heavy favorites.

I thought Frampton could compete with those guys before LSC outclassed him. That was a really really bad loss in terms of Framptons legacy.