BoxRec

Keith Thurman gives his thoughts on sanctioning bodies different title statuses which allowed Floyd Mayweather to avoid a fight with him.

https://youtu.be/3YwCPW7tUQc

I quite like Keith Thurman, he is very media friendly and is always eloquent whenever he expresses his opinion (that I usually agree with). However, in this particular case, he talking complete and utter nonsense!

Marcos Maidana held the WBA “Regular” title at a time when there was no “Super” champion, which meant that Thurman was only initially in line to face the Argentine, with ‘El Chino’ being allowed to engage in a title unification bout against Mayweather Jr., since they nearly always take priority over mandatory defences.

Floyd Mayweather already held the “Super” champion status at 154lbs before he moved back down to 147lbs to take Maidana’s WBA title… and at that point in time, according to the WBA's rules, Money May was technically qualified to retain his “Super” champ status at welterweight, because he also owned the WBC strap for the same weight division.

Mayweather was allowed to defend his newly-acquired WBA strap against the former champion (Maidana), which is normally the case whenever the initial title unification bouts are slightly controversial and highly-competitive in nature.

And when talk emerged of a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao super-fight, the WBA quickly elevated Keith Thurman to becoming their “Regular” belt holder.

Let’s be honest, the combined total of 3% of Mayweather & Pacquiao’s purses is a far greater sum of money than 3% of Mayweather & Thurman’s purses. And would any of the fight fans preferred Mayweather to face Thurman instead of Pacquiao? The WBA’s political manoeuvring of their titles was simply about them maximising their sanctioning fees.

Also, if you actually read the WBA’s own rules, their “Super” world champions are obliged to make title defences and they even stipulate receiving a 75% split during the purse bid process, which contradicts another claim made by Thurman’s in this video.

Let’s not forget that Gennady Golovkin risked being stripped of his WBA “Super” world title if he had refused to face Daniel Jacobs.

Keith should actually consider himself lucky, because he has only ever captured the interim-WBA title inside the ring. He was elevated to “Regular” championship status without having to fight for it… and the very same committee also elevated him again to “Super” champ status.

I’m not even sure how Keith Thurman even qualifies for the WBA’s “Super” champion status, because he hasn’t defend his “Regular” belt at least five times and nor has he unified it, by capturing a world championship from another organisation.

I’d appreciate someone explaining to me the “exceptional circumstances” that compelled both the WBA’s Championships Committee and the President to bestow upon Keith Thurman their “Super” championship status.

Enlightened-One wrote:I quite like Keith Thurman, he is very media friendly and is always eloquent whenever he expresses his opinion (that I usually agree with). However, in this particular case, he talking complete and utter nonsense!

Marcos Maidana held the WBA “Regular” title at a time when there was no “Super” champion, which meant that Thurman was only initially in line to face the Argentine, with ‘El Chino’ being allowed to engage in a title unification bout against Mayweather Jr., since they nearly always take priority over mandatory defences.

Floyd Mayweather already held the “Super” champion status at 154lbs before he moved back down to 147lbs to take Maidana’s WBA title… and at that point in time, according to the WBA's rules, Money May was technically qualified to retain his “Super” champ status at welterweight, because he also owned the WBC strap for the same weight division.

Mayweather was allowed to defend his newly-acquired WBA strap against the former champion (Maidana), which is normally the case whenever the initial title unification bouts are slightly controversial and highly-competitive in nature.

And when talk emerged of a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao super-fight, the WBA quickly elevated Keith Thurman to becoming their “Regular” belt holder.

Let’s be honest, the combined total of 3% of Mayweather & Pacquiao’s purses is a far greater sum of money than 3% of Mayweather & Thurman’s purses. And would any of the fight fans preferred Mayweather to face Thurman instead of Pacquiao? The WBA’s political manoeuvring of their titles was simply about them maximising their sanctioning fees.

Also, if you actually read the WBA’s own rules, their “Super” world champions are obliged to make title defences and they even stipulate receiving a 75% split during the purse bid process, which contradicts another claim made by Thurman’s in this video.

Let’s not forget that Gennady Golovkin risked being stripped of his WBA “Super” world title if he had refused to face Daniel Jacobs.

Keith should actually consider himself lucky, because he has only ever captured the interim-WBA title inside the ring. He was elevated to “Regular” championship status without having to fight for it… and the very same committee also elevated him again to “Super” champ status.

I’m not even sure how Keith Thurman even qualifies for the WBA’s “Super” champion status, because he hasn’t defend his “Regular” belt at least five times and nor has he unified it, by capturing a world championship from another organisation.

I’d appreciate someone explaining to me the “exceptional circumstances” that compelled both the WBA’s Championships Committee and the President to bestow upon Keith Thurman their “Super” championship status.

I remember reading, Thurman was mandated to fight Avanesyan, who holds the Interim title. Let's be fair, it would be a waste of time for Thurman. They had a date to reach a deal, but nothing materialized and no mention of it whatsoever about negotiations. Just last month or so, due to the fight not being made, SOMEHOW, Thurman was elevated to Super and Avanesyan pushed to Regular.#

Here are 2 links you might find helpful.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/07/wba ... hallenger/
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/11/ ... d-to-super

Ruthless-RKO wrote:I remember reading, Thurman was mandated to fight Avanesyan, who holds the Interim title. Let's be fair, it would be a waste of time for Thurman. They had a date to reach a deal, but nothing materialized and no mention of it whatsoever about negotiations. Just last month or so, due to the fight not being made, SOMEHOW, Thurman was elevated to Super and Avanesyan pushed to Regular.#

Here are 2 links you might find helpful.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/07/wba ... hallenger/
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/11/ ... d-to-super

So let’s get this straight, Keith Thurman was not only wrong about his interpretation of the WBA’s rules, but he’s also being hypocritical?

Thurman implies that Mayweather “ducked” him, because the WBA allowed Floyd to manoeuvre his career the way that he wanted to, simply because they elevated him to “Super” championship status?

Keith Thurman was Marcos Maidana’s mandatory challenger, but the Argentine was permitted to engage in a title unification bout against Floyd Mayweather.

Keith Thurman was then elevated from the WBA’s “Interim” champion to “Regular” status, because Money May was allowed to engage in a title unification against Manny Pacquiao.

So now that Keith Thurman has been elevated to “Super” champion status, he prefers to engage in a title unification contest against Danny Garcia rather than perform a mandatory defence of his title against David Avanesyan.

Does Keith Thurman bother complain about the fact that he is no longer obliged to face David Avanesyan, because the Russian is in precisely the same situation he was when he was in line to face Maidana and Mayweather?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:I remember reading, Thurman was mandated to fight Avanesyan, who holds the Interim title. Let's be fair, it would be a waste of time for Thurman. They had a date to reach a deal, but nothing materialized and no mention of it whatsoever about negotiations. Just last month or so, due to the fight not being made, SOMEHOW, Thurman was elevated to Super and Avanesyan pushed to Regular.#

Here are 2 links you might find helpful.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/07/wba ... hallenger/
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/11/ ... d-to-super

So let’s get this straight, Keith Thurman was not only wrong about his interpretation of the WBA’s rules, but he’s also being hypocritical?

Thurman implies that Mayweather “ducked” him, because the WBA allowed Floyd to manoeuvre his career the way that he wanted to, simply because they elevated him to “Super” championship status?

Keith Thurman was Marcos Maidana’s mandatory challenger, but the Argentine was permitted to engage in a title unification bout against Floyd Mayweather.

Keith Thurman was then elevated from the WBA’s “Interim” champion to “Regular” status, because Money May was allowed to engage in a title unification against Manny Pacquiao.

So now that Keith Thurman has been elevated to “Super” champion status, he prefers to engage in a title unification contest against Danny Garcia rather than perform a mandatory defence of his title against David Avanesyan.

Does Keith Thurman bother complain about the fact that he is no longer obliged to face David Avanesyan, because the Russian is in precisely the same situation he was when he was in line to face Maidana and Mayweather?

Just like Mayweather knew he'd make more money against Pacman, Thurman knows he ca make more money fighting Garcia than against Avanesyan.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:I remember reading, Thurman was mandated to fight Avanesyan, who holds the Interim title. Let's be fair, it would be a waste of time for Thurman. They had a date to reach a deal, but nothing materialized and no mention of it whatsoever about negotiations. Just last month or so, due to the fight not being made, SOMEHOW, Thurman was elevated to Super and Avanesyan pushed to Regular.#

Here are 2 links you might find helpful.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/07/wba ... hallenger/
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/11/ ... d-to-super

So let’s get this straight, Keith Thurman was not only wrong about his interpretation of the WBA’s rules, but he’s also being hypocritical?

Thurman implies that Mayweather “ducked” him, because the WBA allowed Floyd to manoeuvre his career the way that he wanted to, simply because they elevated him to “Super” championship status?

Keith Thurman was Marcos Maidana’s mandatory challenger, but the Argentine was permitted to engage in a title unification bout against Floyd Mayweather.

Keith Thurman was then elevated from the WBA’s “Interim” champion to “Regular” status, because Money May was allowed to engage in a title unification against Manny Pacquiao.

So now that Keith Thurman has been elevated to “Super” champion status, he prefers to engage in a title unification contest against Danny Garcia rather than perform a mandatory defence of his title against David Avanesyan.

Does Keith Thurman bother complain about the fact that he is no longer obliged to face David Avanesyan, because the Russian is in precisely the same situation he was when he was in line to face Maidana and Mayweather?

Just like Mayweather knew he'd make more money against Pacman, Thurman knows he ca make more money fighting Garcia than against Avanesyan.

I agree with what you say, but it does surprise me that Keith Thurman has repeated the very same “ducking” claim now that he’s opted to face Danny Garcia instead of David Avanesyan.

How can Keith Thurman complain about the WBA allowing Floyd Mayweather Jr. to manoeuvre his career the way that he wanted to, without conceding the fact that he is doing precisely the same thing Money May did?

If Thurman subtly implies that Money May “ducked” him, are the media and the fight fans allowed to use the same extremely flawed logic that Keith uses to justify accusations of ‘One Time’ “ducking” David Avanesyan?

If I was Keith, I’d stop trying to gain media attention by complaining about a historical situation with Mayweather, when he is also guilty of committing the very same crime, coupled with the fact that he's also demonstrating a lack of knowledge about the WBA's rules.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: So let’s get this straight, Keith Thurman was not only wrong about his interpretation of the WBA’s rules, but he’s also being hypocritical?

Thurman implies that Mayweather “ducked” him, because the WBA allowed Floyd to manoeuvre his career the way that he wanted to, simply because they elevated him to “Super” championship status?

Keith Thurman was Marcos Maidana’s mandatory challenger, but the Argentine was permitted to engage in a title unification bout against Floyd Mayweather.

Keith Thurman was then elevated from the WBA’s “Interim” champion to “Regular” status, because Money May was allowed to engage in a title unification against Manny Pacquiao.

So now that Keith Thurman has been elevated to “Super” champion status, he prefers to engage in a title unification contest against Danny Garcia rather than perform a mandatory defence of his title against David Avanesyan.

Does Keith Thurman bother complain about the fact that he is no longer obliged to face David Avanesyan, because the Russian is in precisely the same situation he was when he was in line to face Maidana and Mayweather?

Just like Mayweather knew he'd make more money against Pacman, Thurman knows he ca make more money fighting Garcia than against Avanesyan.

I agree with what you say, but it does surprise me that Keith Thurman has repeated the very same “ducking” claim now that he’s opted to face Danny Garcia instead of David Avanesyan.

How can Keith Thurman complain about the WBA allowing Floyd Mayweather Jr. to manoeuvre his career the way that he wanted to, without conceding the fact that he is doing precisely the same thing Money May did?

If Thurman subtly implies that Money May “ducked” him, are the media and the fight fans allowed to use the same extremely flawed logic that Keith uses to justify accusations of ‘One Time’ “ducking” David Avanesyan?

If I was Keith, I’d stop trying to gain media attention by complaining about a historical situation with Mayweather, when he is also guilty of committing the very same crime, coupled with the fact that he's also demonstrating a lack of knowledge about the WBA's rules.

Thurman is way ahead of Avanesyan. Whereas at the time, Thurman was known as a dangerous prospect. Kinda like Spence.

Mayweather was further ahead of Thurman than Thurman is in comparison to Avanesyan

Thurman is ahead of Floyd... He beat Guerrero by an aggregate margin of 14 points more than Floyd beat him... He decked Guerrero for a 9-count and neither Floyd or Garcia could accomplish that... The other fighters you could measure Thurman against Floyd, Thurman hasn't been allowed to fight... Such as: Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Andre Berto and other guys who Floyd fought, but wanted nothing to do with Kieth Thurman because they were going to get KTFO if they fought him.

Kalan wrote:Thurman is ahead of Floyd... He beat Guerrero by an aggregate margin of 14 points more than Floyd beat him... He decked Guerrero for a 9-count and neither Floyd or Garcia could accomplish that... The other fighters you could measure Thurman against Floyd, Thurman hasn't been allowed to fight... Such as: Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Andre Berto and other guys who Floyd fought, but wanted nothing to do with Kieth Thurman because they were going to get KTFO if they fought him.

Thurman has a ways to go before even earning the right to be mentioned at the level of Mayweather, or even Pacquiao. Thurman beat Guerrero by a bigger margin you think Thurman would have beat Floyd? You should know better than make a statement like that. Floyd would have clowned Thurman. All the guys you mentioned want no part of the great Keith Thurman? The guy is good, no doubt, but barely got by Porter, who isn't exactly an elite fighter. He also blatantly ducked Spence when offered a shot at Floyd's belt, stating that he would only do it if offered $10 million. Thurman almost went down from a body shot by the light hitting Collazo, who the big brave Thurman fought after turning down the Spence fight. Big brave Thurman fought the shot Collazo after Khan beat the piss out of him.
.