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Warren making the 1st defence of his WBA Bantamweight title against Ricky Hatton trained Zhakiyanov on the Easter Jr/Cruz undercard on Saturday, it looks like the old classic boxer vs fighter clash of styles

I'm still not really sure about Warren, he has got skills but he's lazy and can definitely be outworked for spells, he very nearly allowed Payano to win the rematch by not doing much as the fight progressed, he seems to have a touch of his mate Broner about him where he thinks posing and showing nice moves on the outside will win rounds, i'd like to see Zhakiyanov rough him up and take him out of his comfort zone and make Warren work for the win

I remember seeing Zhakiyanov KO Guerfi to win the European title over here a few years ago and he looked good that night and I remember it being a cracking shot to end things, he hasn't got much else on his record though but still I hope he can pull off the win, its a tall order, you would think Warren would have too much class but i'll be rooting for Zhakiyanov and Hatton

The way to beat Warren is outwork him. Zhanat is a decent fighter but the quality firmly lies with Warren. With Zhanat recent inactivity I'm favouring Warren clearly on points.

Always thought he's made for Mcdonnell. No-way he deals with Mcdonnells output.

Why haven't Warren and McDonnell fought yet?

The WBA are an absolute joke.

Horse wrote:Why haven't Warren and McDonnell fought yet?

The WBA are an absolute joke.

My thoughts exactly, this was supposed to be happening was it not?

The WBA are without question the most farcical organisation and that takes some doing these days

davie wrote:

Horse wrote:Why haven't Warren and McDonnell fought yet?

The WBA are an absolute joke.

My thoughts exactly, this was supposed to be happening was it not?

The WBA are without question the most farcical organisation and that takes some doing these days

Just gotta look at their titles to see that!

Feeling a stoppage win for Warren here...

Brilliant win for Zhakiyanov, really well deserved although I did have Warren edging it 114-113 I cant argue with the result, Zhanat definitely worked a lot harder and wanted it more than Rau'shee, it was a classic case of boxer vs fighter and quality vs workrate, Warren was definitely the better boxer and landed the eye catching shots and he was able to make Zhakiyanov look crude at times but he seemed to only work in spurts(again) he'd start the 1st 30 seconds throwing eye cartching combinations then retreat on the backfoot allowing some rounds to slip away from him

He couldn't have asked for a better start knocking down Zhakiyanov twice, it seemed to be the left hand from the combination that did the damage and a cuffing right hook for the 2nd KD, in hindsight he probably should've pressed for a 3rd KD because Zhakiyanov looked hurt but he stepped off, plus the round finishing 20 seconds early didn't help, I thought the right hand that Zhakiyanov put Warren down with in the 3rd was a definite knockdown and on my card cost Zhakiyanov getting a draw, it was academic though as Zhakiyanov bullied Warren to allow himself back into the fight and Warren never really looked comfortable and really should've ben told off for excessive holding, still who cares Zhakiyanov got the win and well done to Ricky Hatton as well

Yes the WBA are weird but good fights are being made, the challengers are giving the champions a run for their money.

Is it going to be ZZ v Warren II?

After R1, you were thinking, dam this is going to be a short one, and I think Warren thought it was already won. ZZ was not ready for the hand speed and accuracy of Warren in the first. Warren, imo, thought the fight was done from that point on.

Warren allowed a smaller fighter, to fight on the inside, at will - a cardinal sin when you have reach and height advantage. He was bullied in and onto the ropes, out muscled and really didn't look mentally in it for the final 6 rounds.

I had real high hopes for Warren but back to the drawing board. He's without a doubt a better boxer than that but his gameplan was all over the show, perhaps his coaches fault. Whereas Hatton's talks were on the money from R2 onwards - you even heard him say, stop lunging from rangem he's too fast for you."

Judges scorecards were embarrassing too - 116-110, 115-111, 115-111 were miles away. 114-112 here.

HarryGrebbedMe wrote:After R1, you were thinking, dam this is going to be a short one, and I think Warren thought it was already won. ZZ was not ready for the hand speed and accuracy of Warren in the first. Warren, imo, thought the fight was done from that point on.

Warren allowed a smaller fighter, to fight on the inside, at will - a cardinal sin when you have reach and height advantage. He was bullied in and onto the ropes, out muscled and really didn't look mentally in it for the final 6 rounds.

I had real high hopes for Warren but back to the drawing board. He's without a doubt a better boxer than that but his gameplan was all over the show, perhaps his coaches fault. Whereas Hatton's talks were on the money from R2 onwards - you even heard him say, stop lunging from rangem he's too fast for you."

Judges scorecards were embarrassing too - 116-110, 115-111, 115-111 were miles away. 114-112 here.

114-112 Zhakiyanov?

I don't see anything wrong with 115-111 ZZ, and I thought he took it rather clearly. Warren, for the most part, got outworked and bullied after the first, and I would've considered it a generous result for him if he got it.

I think ZZ also could've been credited with KDs in the third and twelfth. Just because there was a bit of body contact doesn't mean a KD shouldn't be called.

The first round seemed to end with 17 seconds on the clock still.

Ya, ZZ fortunate there.

Saw the fight yesterday.I thought Zhakiyanov won that clearly to be honest.

Ive never seen either fight I dont think,but my memory is shoite when it comes to who ive seen.I watched a bit of both guys leading up to this to try and see who my money was going on.I saw that Zhakiyanov was a come forward,good engine and has a well timed dig on him but his opponents werent on warrens level and his recent knockouts were Argies with padded records... but seeing Warren box it looked a massive jump in levels so I picked Warren to win wide.

Anyway on the fight,Warren doesnt like it when you atick it on him does he.He can box going backwards but only in spurts.He cowers covers up and gets beaten up at times and theres no need.He adjusted in one of the later rounds,fired himself up a but and was boxing behind a jab again and moving out to the side.Zhakiyanov suddenly didnt know how to deal with it but alas he slipped nack into cowering up,stopped the moment and ZZ doesn't hang about hes straight in,effective work not wasteful for how crude he is.Warren looks like he cant take a punch tbh.

Hatton wanted him to go the body but Zhakiyanov was fixed on the head shots too much.They were clean and in combinations but he really wasnt understanding some of what Hatton wanted him to do.Im not sure how good ZZ english is?The knockdown for Zhakiyanov looked legit although there was a slight look of two hands on Warren as he was going down.

Good scrap,worthy winner,there will probably be a rematch aswell.

samwbr wrote:The first round seemed to end with 17 seconds on the clock still.

It ended at the right time, but the TV company's countdown clock got stuck so was running behind.

One of a number of odd things to happen with the TV broadcast, including one of the undercard fights been show from the gods for ages.

Wake up call wrote:

samwbr wrote:The first round seemed to end with 17 seconds on the clock still.

It ended at the right time, but the TV company's countdown clock got stuck so was running behind.

One of a number of odd things to happen with the TV broadcast, including one of the undercard fights been show from the gods for ages.

Ah right. The silence between rounds was a bit weird too. All looks a bit amateur hour the PBC broadcast, great fight tho.

HarryGrebbedMe wrote: Judges scorecards were embarrassing too - 116-110, 115-111, 115-111 were miles away. 114-112 here.

Embarrasingly 1 or 2 points off of your card?

Ridiculous, utterly unacceptable

I had it level but glad ZZ got the decision.

If Warren had a decent workrate he'd be a elite fighter. He DOESNT. Rematch looks a good shout but I can see him being able to cash out ZZ over here against either Mcdonnell, Haskins, Butler or Tete. My guess Tete.

Congratulations on Ricky getting his first world title as a trainer. Took hard work to get there with ZZ. Bet there wasn't any Guinness left in Toledo on Saturday.

If he's to cash out ZZ Vs Yamanaka would be the money fight surely?

handsofstone wrote:

HarryGrebbedMe wrote:After R1, you were thinking, dam this is going to be a short one, and I think Warren thought it was already won. ZZ was not ready for the hand speed and accuracy of Warren in the first. Warren, imo, thought the fight was done from that point on.

Warren allowed a smaller fighter, to fight on the inside, at will - a cardinal sin when you have reach and height advantage. He was bullied in and onto the ropes, out muscled and really didn't look mentally in it for the final 6 rounds.

I had real high hopes for Warren but back to the drawing board. He's without a doubt a better boxer than that but his gameplan was all over the show, perhaps his coaches fault. Whereas Hatton's talks were on the money from R2 onwards - you even heard him say, stop lunging from rangem he's too fast for you."

Judges scorecards were embarrassing too - 116-110, 115-111, 115-111 were miles away. 114-112 here.

114-112 Zhakiyanov?

115-111 is hardly "miles away" from 114-112. You've only got to score one round the other way (moving from 10-9 to 9-10) to move from 115-111 to 114-112.

And let's hope we see Zhakiyanov defending in the UK - looks like his fights are good value, win or lose.

Boxing Prospect wrote:If he's to cash out ZZ Vs Yamanaka would be the money fight surely?

I see one of the British promoters taking a punt and selling ZZ on the Hatton angle.

FW been looking for a world champion to get for Tete for close to 12 months. ZZ fits the bill. I'd be amazed if he didn't go for him.

Just watched it. ZZ won by a comfortable margin. Warren was knocked down twice but they weren't counted.

Both were excellent...glad the right decision was given.

handsofstone wrote:

HarryGrebbedMe wrote:After R1, you were thinking, dam this is going to be a short one, and I think Warren thought it was already won. ZZ was not ready for the hand speed and accuracy of Warren in the first. Warren, imo, thought the fight was done from that point on.

Warren allowed a smaller fighter, to fight on the inside, at will - a cardinal sin when you have reach and height advantage. He was bullied in and onto the ropes, out muscled and really didn't look mentally in it for the final 6 rounds.

I had real high hopes for Warren but back to the drawing board. He's without a doubt a better boxer than that but his gameplan was all over the show, perhaps his coaches fault. Whereas Hatton's talks were on the money from R2 onwards - you even heard him say, stop lunging from rangem he's too fast for you."

Judges scorecards were embarrassing too - 116-110, 115-111, 115-111 were miles away. 114-112 here.

114-112 Zhakiyanov?

Completely missed your quote sorry mate - but yes ZZ 114-112

I managed to find the official scorecards - and I haven't seen the fight. But Larry Hazzard jnr gave Warren 7 rounds while the other two gave him 3. Even if most people had difficulty scoring the fight, this type of variance requires the WBA to sit down with all 3 judges and review their scoring of every round.
Looking at the scoring of Hazzard , if I was a British manager taking my fighter to the USA for a title fight I would object if he was judging. It's clear with the rounds he scored for Warren that he has a clear conscious / unconscious bias towards the hometown fighter.

dalcumly wrote:I managed to find the official scorecards - and I haven't seen the fight. But Larry Hazzard jnr gave Warren 7 rounds while the other two gave him 3. Even if most people had difficulty scoring the fight, this type of variance requires the WBA to sit down with all 3 judges and review their scoring of every round.
Looking at the scoring of Hazzard , if I was a British manager taking my fighter to the USA for a title fight I would object if he was judging. It's clear with the rounds he scored for Warren that he has a clear conscious / unconscious bias towards the hometown fighter.

It was a close fight, who knows how the general consensus scoring could've tallied up, he might have been in agreement with at least 1 judge in every round and his card was the "right" one??