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Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 08:38
by Ruthless-RKO
Veteran trainer Virgil Hunter, who works with boxers like Andre Ward, Amir Khan, Andre Berto and several others, is not pleased with the way Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (48-1-1, 34 KOs) is handling his career.

Last May at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Hunter worked the corner of Amir Khan, who moved up from the welterweight division to face Canelo at a catch-weight of 155-pounds. After starting off well in the early rounds, Khan was caught cold and knocked out in the sixth round.

This coming May, at the same Vegas venue, Canelo will face countryman Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. at a catch-weight of 164.5-pounds. Chavez Jr. is coming down from the super middleweight limit of 168.

Hunter claims Canelo places unrealistic demands on his opponents, both from a financial and a physical standpoint. Khan wanted that fight at the junior middleweight limit of 154, but claims Canelo would not budge from 155.

"What Canelo is doing is a real mockery for boxing," said Hunter to ESPN Deportes.

"He can claim his right to be treated as the star of a promotion, what he can not demand is that he is considered among the best fighters [in the world], when for every fight he has all kinds of demands, he wants all kinds of concessions to the opponent. Truly, it is something unfortunate for boxing."

" As we all know, he is exercising his right to be considered the [A-side] in his bouts, because boxing is like this, and as long as he stays in control of that situation, to have that promotional advantage... what he is doing is a real mockery for boxing. Because when we talk about real boxers, they do not do that sort of thing."


Hunter is not in favor of the catch-weight being imposed on Chavez Jr. - who claimed that Canelo wanted a catch-weight of 164 and they finally agreed on 164.5 after weeks of negotiating the terms.

"Whenever a boxer is forced to drop so many pounds to make weight in a fight, he will pay a price. And from the moment Chavez agreed to fight at that weight, he has been in a precarious situation," Hunter said.

"If he is able to reach the weight gradually, without having to lose so many pounds at one time, and manages to recover properly after going on the scale - he may have some chance of winning. And if he manages to get in good physical condition, with enough energy to fight his fight, the fight can be more than interesting."

"But whenever the boxer undergoes a significant sacrifice to make weight, when he has to be squeezed, especially as in the case of Chavez who has not fought that often - it doesn't give you any indication of how well Junior will arrive in this fight or what he can offer against Canelo, who will be looking to maximize any advantage, however small it may be, to win the fight."

http://www.BS.com/virgil-hunte ... 4nLIZ.dpuf

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 08:44
by Jip
i dont aggree. lara, mayweather, cotto were all in very good shape when they fought canelo. so it aint like he is always pickind and choosing easy opponents making 100000000 demands. also chavez will beat him, chavez aint an easy opponent for him.

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 08:51
by Ruthless-RKO
Jip wrote:i dont aggree. lara, mayweather, cotto were all in very good shape when they fought canelo. so it aint like he is always pickind and choosing easy opponents making 100000000 demands. also chavez will beat him, chavez aint an easy opponent for him.
Bar Cotto because they were the same weight more or less.. Khan moved up, so it's not always a disadvantage.

I think Hunter is talking more about Canelo being an 'A' sider. But you can always argue this case.

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 09:24
by Jip
Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Jip wrote:i dont aggree. lara, mayweather, cotto were all in very good shape when they fought canelo. so it aint like he is always pickind and choosing easy opponents making 100000000 demands. also chavez will beat him, chavez aint an easy opponent for him.
Bar Cotto because they were the same weight more or less.. Khan moved up, so it's not always a disadvantage.

I think Hunter is talking more about Canelo being an 'A' sider. But you can always argue this case.

canelo is boxing #1 superstar now, sure he makes more demands than others. but hunter should shut up, ward also made 100 demands and ward was never close to being the superstar canelo is. also wards level of competetion wasnt very good in reascent years except kovalev.

at least canelo is fighting the big names and 100 % yes, this year, at the end we ll get ggg-canelo

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 09:32
by Ruthless-RKO
Jip wrote:
Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Jip wrote:i dont aggree. lara, mayweather, cotto were all in very good shape when they fought canelo. so it aint like he is always pickind and choosing easy opponents making 100000000 demands. also chavez will beat him, chavez aint an easy opponent for him.
Bar Cotto because they were the same weight more or less.. Khan moved up, so it's not always a disadvantage.

I think Hunter is talking more about Canelo being an 'A' sider. But you can always argue this case.

canelo is boxing #1 superstar now, sure he makes more demands than others. but hunter should shut up, ward also made 100 demands and ward was never close to being the superstar canelo is. also wards level of competetion wasnt very good in reascent years except kovalev.

at least canelo is fighting the big names and 100 % yes, this year, at the end we ll get ggg-canelo
I hope so.. I also agree with what you're saying, no one is perfect tbh. Everyone has demands. Some are excessive, some are not. Some are just plain stupid.

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 10:10
by Tarkus
Virgil is right but Canelo isnt the first. He should perhaps also mention the others. Canelo is the new Maywhether.

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 11:45
by Enlightened-One
When Virgil Hunter criticised catch-weights in this interview, did he forget to say that he supported his fighters agreeing to engage in contests that contained them, such as: Ward vs. Smith; Berto vs. Ortiz; and Khan vs. Canelo?

Did he also forget to say that some of his own paydays were a direct result of his fighters competing in catch-weight bouts?

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 12:48
by Oiky
Virgil is right but a lot of boxers been pulling these capers in this era :doh:

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 13:52
by Bard of Boxrec
Enlightened-One wrote:When Virgil Hunter criticised catch-weights in this interview, did he forget to say that he supported his fighters agreeing to engage in contests that contained them, such as: Ward vs. Smith; Berto vs. Ortiz; and Khan vs. Canelo?

Did he also forget to say that some of his own paydays were a direct result of his fighters competing in catch-weight bouts?
I also wonder what he has to say about the ward Dawson fight

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 14:18
by boxing_rocks
Hunter is hypocritical. Ward has done similar things and would definitely do more if he could draw.

He is right though about Canelo.

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 18:31
by montrealsuper
Fraudweather's duckery of Pacquiao was just as pathetic - Pure cowardice is a skillset and Fraudweather and Pollonello both use it effectively - :TU:

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 20:25
by Kalan
Jip wrote:i dont aggree. lara, mayweather, cotto were all in very good shape when they fought canelo. so it aint like he is always pickind and choosing easy opponents making 100000000 demands. also chavez will beat him, chavez aint an easy opponent for him.
Canelo will win very easily.. Chavez was knocked out by Fonfara, who was subsequently very easily dispatched by Joe Smith.. Canelo picked another name, who is also another super easy opponent like Amir Khan.. He will rip into Chavez with jabs, hooks, and straight rights to the head. He will knock him out after giving him a horrific beating.. Chavez's corner will probably pull him out after 6 or 7 rounds if he's not knocked cold..

Canelo will say, "I want to congratulate Julio Cesar Chavez for a great and courageous fight. He was a great champion. This is what Mexicans are expected to do, come in and fight hard for the fans and not run like chickens. Viva Mexico!!!" ...

Then when he's asked about Triple-G He'll say, "We made Golovkin a fair offer. Over 15 million dollars. He can take the fight or leave it, VIVA MEXICO!!!"

"Wait, wait, wait Canelo. Golovkin's team is saying for a fight of this magnitude, which could bring in 100's of millions in PPV, there should be a 50/50 split or at least a purse split of some kind." ... Canelo will say, "Who has Golovkin fought? Look who I fought. I fought the best. We offered him 3 X more money than he ever made, VIVA MEXICO!!!"

Re: Virgil Hunter: What Canelo is Doing is a Mockery To Boxing!

Posted: 18 Feb 2017, 20:36
by lazboy
Kalan wrote:
Jip wrote:i dont aggree. lara, mayweather, cotto were all in very good shape when they fought canelo. so it aint like he is always pickind and choosing easy opponents making 100000000 demands. also chavez will beat him, chavez aint an easy opponent for him.
Canelo will win very easily.. Chavez was knocked out by Fonfara, who was subsequently very easily dispatched by Joe Smith.. Canelo picked another name, who is also another super easy opponent like Amir Khan.. He will rip into Chavez with jabs, hooks, and straight rights to the head. He will knock him out after giving him a horrific beating.. Chavez's corner will probably pull him out after 6 or 7 rounds if he's not knocked cold..

Canelo will say, "I want to congratulate Julio Cesar Chavez for a great and courageous fight. He was a great champion. This is what Mexicans are expected to do, come in and fight hard for the fans and not run like chickens. Viva Mexico!!!" ...

Then when he's asked about Triple-G He'll say, "We made Golovkin a fair offer. Over 15 million dollars. He can take the fight or leave it, VIVA MEXICO!!!"

"Wait, wait, wait Canelo. Golovkin's team is saying for a fight of this magnitude, which could bring in 100's of millions in PPV, there should be a 50/50 split or at least a purse split of some kind." ... Canelo will say, "Who has Golovkin fought? Look who I fought. I fought the best. We offered him 3 X more money than he ever made, VIVA MEXICO!!!"
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