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Is Golovkin a small middleweight?

Freedom2013 wrote:Is Golovkin a small middleweight?

Or a very hard working and fit one. He is a true middleweight though. That's for sure.

He's certainly not a big one

lazboy wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Is Golovkin a small middleweight?

Or a very hard working and fit one. He is a true middleweight though. That's for sure.

Agree. Looks like he keeps himself in good shape in between fights and fights at a weight that he doesn't have to kill himself to make. If more followed his example we might get more active fighters, instead of a ridiculous amount of good boxers only fighting once a year.

I've been saying he's a small MW for forever. But the poster that says he's a true middle is on point; true middle and small middle mean the same thing in this day and age.

Sucks to be Jacobs. I can't imagine losing 15lbs in 30 days with it not having a negative effect on performance.

DrunkenBoxer wrote:Sucks to be Jacobs. I can't imagine losing 15lbs in 30 days with it not having a negative effect on performance.

Totally depends on whether/how much he drained for this. Can't see him being below 175 come fight night so it's possible he has no real weight to lose.

Freedom2013 wrote:Is Golovkin a small middleweight?

No. Many have said he is, people from his team and others, but in my opinion he is a solid, average-sized middleweight who doesn't blow-up between fights. There's little doubt in my mind that GGG cuts a little weight before the 30 day weigh-ins, as he's always heavier in the ring. He was 165lb 30 days before the Rubio fight and came in at 173lb on fight night. On the other hand, he was 172lb 30 days before the Murray fight, which I think is nearer his true walking weight so he wouldn't have cut weight for that one.

I think he may have been able to make 154lb without much of an effect on his performance in the past, but I don't think that's true anymore.

DrunkenBoxer wrote:Sucks to be Jacobs. I can't imagine losing 15lbs in 30 days with it not having a negative effect on performance.

It shouldn't be a problem - remember Kell Brook was 176lb 30 days before the GGG fight and he certainly didn't look weight-drained come the weigh-in. GGG is unusual for coming in so close to the limit and like I said, I'm sure he cuts a little weight for the 30 day weigh in. Jacobs should be just fine.

GGG got outweighed by everyone at 30 day weigh ins including brook. How the hell is he a big middleweight again?

He has great discipline.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:GGG got outweighed by everyone at 30 day weigh ins including brook. How the hell is he a big middleweight again?

He has great discipline.

He cuts weight for these weigh ins would be my guess.

lazboy wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Is Golovkin a small middleweight?

Or a very hard working and fit one. He is a true middleweight though. That's for sure.

Golovkin is a decent-sized middleweight, but he's also constantly in the gym and maintains his weight.

He's not like Ricky Hatton, Adrien Broner and Kell Brook, who all balloon in weight between bouts.

I also feel he dehydrates for the 30-day weigh-in''s, because I'm sure his fight night rehydration weight has been heavier than what he weighed for the 30-day check-point in some of his bouts.

For sure, he won't look "small" by fight night.

For those of you that have no idea what you are talking about, Jacobs is right on pace and has PLENTY of time to lose the 14.8 pounds. This is how it is done. Boxers and MMA fighters lose their last 10 pounds the week of in water weight and throw it back on immediately after weight in. The idea is not to gradually get down to weight, it's to get within striking distance.

The newsworthy part of this is how natural 160 pounds is to GGG. It's very rare for a boxer to be fighting at his natural weight and being so successful. Most boxers walk around weight is 15-20 pounds over the class they fight at. I bet GGG could have fought WW if he acted like other fighters. This is a big reason why GGG could rule this division for many more years.

jameswilson wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:GGG got outweighed by everyone at 30 day weigh ins including brook. How the hell is he a big middleweight again?

He has great discipline.

He cuts weight for these weigh ins would be my guess.

No, I think his method is to cut weight earlier in the camp rather than in the last couple weeks. I bet his weight at the 7-day weigh-in will be about the same. Anyway, he comes to a camp at about 170-172, and he weighs about the same in the ring. He is definitely smaller than most of MWs.

boxing_rocks wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:GGG got outweighed by everyone at 30 day weigh ins including brook. How the hell is he a big middleweight again?

He has great discipline.

He cuts weight for these weigh ins would be my guess.

No, I think his method is to cut weight earlier in the camp rather than in the last couple weeks. I bet his weight at the 7-day weigh-in will be about the same. Anyway, he comes to a camp at about 170-172, and he weighs about the same in the ring. He is definitely smaller than most of MWs.

GGG dehydrates for the 30-day weigh-ins... and I'm not sure why he does this.

For example: He was 165lbs for the 30-day weigh-in for the Rubio fight, but weighed 173lbs come fight night. There are other fights he's done this for also.

Golovkin weighed 165lbs at the 30-day weigh-in for the Brook fight and then gained 9lbs (the day after the official weigh-in) according to the 8am IBF’s morning of the fight second-day weigh-in, which meant that he would have rehydrated to at least 171lbs by the time he entered the ring against the Brit.

Golovkin isn't a "small" middleweight, he's about average.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

jameswilson wrote:
He cuts weight for these weigh ins would be my guess.

No, I think his method is to cut weight earlier in the camp rather than in the last couple weeks. I bet his weight at the 7-day weigh-in will be about the same. Anyway, he comes to a camp at about 170-172, and he weighs about the same in the ring. He is definitely smaller than most of MWs.

GGG dehydrates for the 30-day weigh-ins... and I'm not sure why he does this.

For example: He was 165lbs for the 30-day weigh-in for the Rubio fight, but weighed 173lbs come fight night. There are other fights he's done this for also.

Golovkin weighed 165lbs at the 30-day weigh-in for the Brook fight and then gained 9lbs (the day after the official weigh-in) according to the 8am IBF’s morning of the fight second-day weigh-in, which meant that he would have rehydrated to at least 171lbs by the time he entered the ring against the Brit.

Golovkin isn't a "small" middleweight, he's about average.

He does not "dehydrate" in the common sense of that word, as he will likely not go back to 170-172 next day. I think he just cuts part of the weight before sparring starts, so that weight cut doesn't become the main goal closer to the end of the camp and he can concentrate on actual training.

I doubt he straight up dehydrates for the 30 day weigh in. Probably just makes sure to have a good poop or workout prior, and or does the weigh in on an empty stomach. Those "unofficial" weights of 172/173 could be done with clothes on, also.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
No, I think his method is to cut weight earlier in the camp rather than in the last couple weeks. I bet his weight at the 7-day weigh-in will be about the same. Anyway, he comes to a camp at about 170-172, and he weighs about the same in the ring. He is definitely smaller than most of MWs.

GGG dehydrates for the 30-day weigh-ins... and I'm not sure why he does this.

For example: He was 165lbs for the 30-day weigh-in for the Rubio fight, but weighed 173lbs come fight night. There are other fights he's done this for also.

Golovkin weighed 165lbs at the 30-day weigh-in for the Brook fight and then gained 9lbs (the day after the official weigh-in) according to the 8am IBF’s morning of the fight second-day weigh-in, which meant that he would have rehydrated to at least 171lbs by the time he entered the ring against the Brit.

Golovkin isn't a "small" middleweight, he's about average.

He does not "dehydrate" in the common sense of that word, as he will likely not go back to 170-172 next day. I think he just cuts part of the weight before sparring starts, so that weight cut doesn't become the main goal closer to the end of the camp and he can concentrate on actual training.

Why does he do this, since he clearly doesn’t need to use the official 30-day weigh-ins from the sports official governing bodies to monitor his weight?

I’m not being argumentative, instead merely curious; it’s just that GGG seems to be the only fighter I know that chooses to drain himself 8lbs or so for the official 30-day weigh-ins.

Blodhemn wrote:I doubt he straight up dehydrates for the 30 day weigh in. Probably just makes sure to have a good poop or workout prior, and or does the weigh in on an empty stomach. Those "unofficial" weights of 172/173 could be done with clothes on, also.

Why would HBO or Showtime bother to obtain the fight night ring weights and allow the combatants to be fully-dressed, since the recorded weights would be artificially high? Their audience would know that they were reporting nonsense figures.

Also, the IBF morning of the fight weigh-in, carried out from 8am, is normally an accurate figure, which typically only varies by a few pounds less than the rehydrated ring-weight figures reported by HBO & Showtime... and the discrepancy can easily be explained by the human body weighing more in the evenings than first thing in the morning?

Why does HBO/Showtime do anything that they do?

If the IBF weight is less then there's your answer. The "unofficial" weight is going to be more for several reasons. Also, for someone like GGG, he's training like an animal 30 days out, but the final week will be less strenuous. So in a sense there is a natural weight loss 30 days out. What's the point in draining at this stage? To show off his trim waistline? He's not going to goad Canelo into a fight.