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Breazeale is a tough SOB, he took 6 rounds of Joshuas best stuff and came through some huge shots last night.

I don't think Deontay hits any harder than Dominic has seen already and his output is considerably lower.

Breazeale would also throw more back at him than he's had to absorb so far.

I want to see Wilder take on one of the top names in the division but if he doesn't get them, this is a fight I wouldn't mind seeing made, I think it could really stretch him and answer a couple questions about Wilder

I'd like to see Breazeale vs Dillian Whyte actually, for me, even yesterday was close near a 50/50 fight for Breazeale.

I think Wilder will would win this on decision, because look at yesterday, Wilder lost every round. Not like he had no chance, but he simply did lose all of them. Somehow the scorecards said it was about a draw?! Next to that, it's a risky fight, so Wilder would never accept it.

Breazeale is a dream for the promoters of the top guys - durable, has courage, comes to fight, entertaining but ultimately just short of top level. Wilder late stoppage.

Wilder would easily land clean power shots, and as tough as Breazeale is I think it would be too much. Dont let a gruelling win over totally untested Ugonoh lead you into thinking he has a good shot of pulling off the same type of win at top level.

Id much rather see Breazeale vs Szpilka, as was originally scheduled.

crusader wrote:Wilder would easily land clean power shots, and as tough as Breazeale is I think it would be too much. Dont let a gruelling win over totally untested Ugonoh lead you into thinking he has a good shot of pulling off the same type of win at top level.

Id much rather see Breazeale vs Szpilka, as was originally scheduled.

I'd have to say, I was very amused by the actual fight, several knock downs, on both sides, it really could go either way.
Between Breazeale vs Szpilka I would expect a very boring pointscoring game with a very tired Szpilka at the end who might lose anyway despite being ahead in points.

crusader wrote:Wilder would easily land clean power shots, and as tough as Breazeale is I think it would be too much. Dont let a gruelling win over totally untested Ugonoh lead you into thinking he has a good shot of pulling off the same type of win at top level.
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I haven't
I've seen him at the top level and he put in a very tough display but came up short

The question I'm really asking is, is Deontay 'top level'. I think Breazeale has a chance, firstly because he has attributes that would give Deontay a head ache and secondly, I don't think Deontay is top level.

Technically he's flawed, his output is low, he flails wildly, with little composure when he has a little success and has got where he is with one big right hand, height, reach and good matchmaking.

I don't know if he beats Breazeale, maybe he does but it's far from a foregone conclusion

I mean Breazeale could win, as Deontay has plenty of flaws, but I think he'd prove too limited against Wilder. He's much slower, has no notable skill, and would be taking clean shots as long as it lasted, from a guy who hits extremely hard.

Wilder isnt little Mansour or Ugonoh, and Breazeale is still a 3rd tier HW in my opinion.

Who the heck would want to see Wilder and Breazeale? I am tired of watching Wilder fight tomato can after tomato can and then dancing around the ring like an imbecile. I doubt Wilder will ever sign a contract with Joshua but if he does, I can't wait to see how quickly he gets knocked into next week.

Stiverne was the only opponent worth noting on wilder's resume. The rest are former football players, taxi drivers and bouncers. I know one of them personally and it would make you laugh if you knew the story behind that fight. Wilder is just a sideshow act. He and Adonis will hold the title for years without having to fight anyone for some reason.

caldo2025 wrote:Who the heck would want to see Wilder and Breazeale? I am tired of watching Wilder fight tomato can after tomato can and then dancing around the ring like an imbecile. I doubt Wilder will ever sign a contract with Joshua but if he does, I can't wait to see how quickly he gets knocked into next week.

Stiverne was the only opponent worth noting on wilder's resume. The rest are former football players, taxi drivers and bouncers. I know one of them personally and it would make you laugh if you knew the story behind that fight. Wilder is just a sideshow act. He and Adonis will hold the title for years without having to fight anyone for some reason.

I'm not saying I would.
I'd like to see him in with Joshua/Wlad, Fury (if available), Parker/H Fury, Povetkin, Haye, Ortiz, probably in that order of preference.
But in the likelyhood he doesn't face one of those in his next fight, as is most likely the case I actually think Breazeale would stretch him and have a reasonable chance of an upset.
Certainly a better test than the more likely Andrzej Wawrzyk or Malik Scott that he'll waste his time on next. Breazeale would at very least come with a bit of ambition

I figure Wilder would stop Breazeale in 4 rounds or so. Breazeale might give him a scare with one of those overhand rights at some point along the way.

Washington > Breazeale

Impractical Poster wrote:Washington > Breazeale

Yeah I think so too

gilgamesh wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Washington > Breazeale

Yeah I think so too

Washington impressed me. Had he not lost focus, he could very well had taken that fight.

Impractical Poster wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Washington > Breazeale

Yeah I think so too

Washington impressed me. Had he not lost focus, he could very well had taken that fight.

Ah he was bound to get hit like that at some point over the 12 rounds, I think he'd probably lose to Wilder in a rematch just the same more or less, but Breazeale ain't Wilder. He could take him. I think it'd be a fun fight too.

gilgamesh wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Yeah I think so too

Washington impressed me. Had he not lost focus, he could very well had taken that fight.

Ah he was bound to get hit like that at some point over the 12 rounds, I think he'd probably lose to Wilder in a rematch just the same more or less, but Breazeale ain't Wilder. He could take him. I think it'd be a fun fight too.

Despite what I had heard of Washingtin coming into this bout, he looked good. Did not look very slow as alot of guys were touting. He looked composed and was working nicely up until the ko. The Breazeale fight was an unconditioned shitfest of a fight. While exciting, just sloppy all through. I think Washington would shine vs Breazeale.

And as far as a rematch w Wilder.... I'd give Washington a better chance than I did going into the recent bout. If he works on his footwork, and does not get lazy, I could see him outworking Wilder. His size and reach was really troubling Wilder.

asdfjkl wrote:I'd like to see Breazeale vs Dillian Whyte actually, for me, even yesterday was close near a 50/50 fight for Breazeale.

I think Wilder will would win this on decision, because look at yesterday, Wilder lost every round. Not like he had no chance, but he simply did lose all of them. Somehow the scorecards said it was about a draw?! Next to that, it's a risky fight, so Wilder would never accept it.

I don't know, Breazeale is pretty poor, I think it'd be little more than a fitness test for Whyte. I think something like Whyte vs Ruiz Jr would be more entertaining.

davie wrote:

crusader wrote:Wilder would easily land clean power shots, and as tough as Breazeale is I think it would be too much. Dont let a gruelling win over totally untested Ugonoh lead you into thinking he has a good shot of pulling off the same type of win at top level.
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I haven't
I've seen him at the top level and he put in a very tough display but came up short

The question I'm really asking is, is Deontay 'top level'. I think Breazeale has a chance, firstly because he has attributes that would give Deontay a head ache and secondly, I don't think Deontay is top level.

Technically he's flawed, his output is low, he flails wildly, with little composure when he has a little success and has got where he is with one big right hand, height, reach and good matchmaking.

I don't know if he beats Breazeale, maybe he does but it's far from a foregone conclusion

How can you claim Joshua is top level and Wilder isn't? Wilder has atleast beat Stivern.

Plus your forgetting Breazeale's robbery of a win against Fred Kassi (beaten easilly by ill Hughie Fury), and Mansour (lost competitive fight with Cunningham) won every round and dropped him and only had to quit because a cold and freak tounge injury stopped him breathing.

Why have people bought into WWE-style promotional gimmicks to help justify Deontay Wilder’s penchant to continue facing opponents that are probably ranked outside the top fifteen of the heavyweight division?

I’m not even sure if this fight is worthy of any serious consideration.

Then again, if you take one look at the WBC’s top-fifteen ranked heavyweights, there’s an awful lot of poor or really out-of-form "Breazeale-like" opponents for Deontay Wilder to continue making easy voluntary defences against… for a very long time to come.

Impractical Poster wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Washington impressed me. Had he not lost focus, he could very well had taken that fight.

Ah he was bound to get hit like that at some point over the 12 rounds, I think he'd probably lose to Wilder in a rematch just the same more or less, but Breazeale ain't Wilder. He could take him. I think it'd be a fun fight too.

Despite what I had heard of Washingtin coming into this bout, he looked good. Did not look very slow as alot of guys were touting. He looked composed and was working nicely up until the ko. The Breazeale fight was an unconditioned shitfest of a fight. While exciting, just sloppy all through. I think Washington would shine vs Breazeale.

And as far as a rematch w Wilder.... I'd give Washington a better chance than I did going into the recent bout. If he works on his footwork, and does not get lazy, I could see him outworking Wilder. His size and reach was really troubling Wilder.

I thought he still looked fairly slow and had a limited arsenal like I had mentioned. His jab is mostly what won him the first 4 rounds, but it goes to show that it doesn't take a lot to trouble Wilder. A steady, consistent effort from a strong guy can do it. Wilder doesn't respond well to jabs.

gilgamesh wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Ah he was bound to get hit like that at some point over the 12 rounds, I think he'd probably lose to Wilder in a rematch just the same more or less, but Breazeale ain't Wilder. He could take him. I think it'd be a fun fight too.

Despite what I had heard of Washingtin coming into this bout, he looked good. Did not look very slow as alot of guys were touting. He looked composed and was working nicely up until the ko. The Breazeale fight was an unconditioned shitfest of a fight. While exciting, just sloppy all through. I think Washington would shine vs Breazeale.

And as far as a rematch w Wilder.... I'd give Washington a better chance than I did going into the recent bout. If he works on his footwork, and does not get lazy, I could see him outworking Wilder. His size and reach was really troubling Wilder.

I thought he still looked fairly slow and had a limited arsenal like I had mentioned. His jab is mostly what won him the first 4 rounds, but it goes to show that it doesn't take a lot to trouble Wilder. A steady, consistent effort from a strong guy can do it. Wilder doesn't respond well to jabs.

Wilder has a lot of experience... This was his 38th fight and 6th Heavyweight Championship fight as crappy as his opposition has been.. Wilder has a solid balanced stance and is ready to hit you at any time.. Washington is very big, strong, athletic and quick, but has a sh!tty stance and lacks experience.. He fights off his back foot and ducks punches with extreme awkwardness.. He's a sitting duck versus a big puncher -- like the guy Joshua has fought so far except Whyte..

Washington has talent and focus -- and he's calm enough to learn the sport.. He needs a good trainer because you can't beat anyone without a stance, footwork, a defense, and an inside game other than grabbing.. Grabbing gets old quick and fewer referees are putting up with it.. Washington is really stiff through the shoulders and needs to loosen up. I like his overall physical setup and strength. If he could learn how to box it would be good.