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You may know the film "Undisputed". Its about a HW-Champion, who goes to prison for rape and its inspired by Tyson. In the movie the boxing champ has a fight with the prison-champion. Is this related to Tyson too or is this part just fiction?

Tyson was on his best behavior in prison... He wanted to make parole because he could make 20-million a fight... I think you'd be watching your P's and Q's too if that were your situation... The prison Tyson went to was deliberately selected because it had no Boxing program... Tyson asked for a meeting with the warden and asked him the earliest date he could get parole if his behavior was perfect... "If we're really impressed we'll lop off half your sentence...How's that?" ... "Well, I wonder. Could you be a little more generous in my case??" ... "Mike...That's the best I can do."

In contrast, when Jack Johnson went to prison he negotiated terms for the Athletic Directorship -- and he was totally in charge of the Boxing program... And they brought in highly qualified professional boxers for Johnson to fight in prison -- since none of the prisoners had the skills to fight Johnson.. Everyone was given free attendance to Jack Johnson's prison fights in the main yard -- including visitors, inmates, guards, and all prison officials.

Another conversation that happened only in your own mind

davie wrote:Another conversation that happened only in your own mind

This is why I recon that Kalan is Ill Duce...he created quotes and conversations with fighters and managers in the same way, as if he was a fly on the wall. Lunatic.

Tomasino wrote:

davie wrote:Another conversation that happened only in your own mind

This is why I recon that Kalan is Ill Duce...he created quotes and conversations with fighters and managers in the same way, as if he was a fly on the wall. Lunatic.

No way.

Rakim Oaks made Tyson his prison bitch.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

davie wrote:Another conversation that happened only in your own mind

This is why I recon that Kalan is Ill Duce...he created quotes and conversations with fighters and managers in the same way, as if he was a fly on the wall. Lunatic.

No way.

Why not?

Tomasino wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

This is why I recon that Kalan is Ill Duce...he created quotes and conversations with fighters and managers in the same way, as if he was a fly on the wall. Lunatic.

No way.

Why not?

They're not at all similar. I'll duce wasn't abrasive, I think you're giving him too much credit to completely change his trolling style. He was a victim troll, kalan hates all.

Buzz needs a nemesis to fight loneliness. Now that Terap, Collins and Gran are long gone, Kalan's arrival is timely and appropriate. He's not even a fun troll.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: No way.

Why not?

They're not at all similar. I'll duce wasn't abrasive, I think you're giving him too much credit to completely change his trolling style. He was a victim troll, kalan hates all.

Duce was very abrasive with me man, Kalan took aim at me in a similar way from day one.

Well if you think he didn't then you need a reality check. I remember Tyson saying in an interview that he became one of them! when locked up to survive it. Tyson wouldn't be taking poo off anyone in there, very doubtful, remember what he did to Mitch Green? I think the film was close to the truth than anything else.

Tomasino wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Why not?

They're not at all similar. I'll duce wasn't abrasive, I think you're giving him too much credit to completely change his trolling style. He was a victim troll, kalan hates all.

Duce was very abrasive with me man, Kalan took aim at me in a similar way from day one.

I must admit I didn't open Il Duce's Ali threads for the most part. I just saw him making shit up and everyone laying into him. He also appeared more consistent in his crap, kalan changes stances on a dime to suit himself. It's whatever, funny that Duce wAs banned and clowns like Kalan and Oldie ruin most every thread with their nonsense. This forum is as shot as the sport.

Rexob wrote:Well if you think he didn't then you need a reality check. I remember Tyson saying in an interview that he became one of them! when locked up to survive it. Tyson wouldn't be taking poo off anyone in there, very doubtful, remember what he did to Mitch Green? I think the film was close to the truth than anything else.

Mike had steady women brought into the prison. He's been very outspoken about that.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: No way.

Why not?

They're not at all similar. I'll duce wasn't abrasive, I think you're giving him too much credit to completely change his trolling style. He was a victim troll, kalan hates all.

There's a few posters here I actually consider quite knowledgeable, but if you're nice to anybody people start calling them your lover and so forth, or saying they're actually you -- but using a different name.. Some posters here are so ignorant and stupid they make as much sense as Dan Quayle.

I'm not abrasive to most, but I give back what people give me and you're a completely biased idiot... But I give you credit for knowing I'm not some idiot named Lil Duce or El Duce or whatever the fk that idiot's name was... I've been around Boxing and boxing people all my life and that idiot sounds clueless.

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Why not?

They're not at all similar. I'll duce wasn't abrasive, I think you're giving him too much credit to completely change his trolling style. He was a victim troll, kalan hates all.

There's a few posters here I actually consider quite knowledgeable, but if you're nice to anybody people start calling them your lover and so forth, or saying they're actually you -- but using a different name.. Some posters here are so ignorant and stupid they make as much sense as Dan Quayle.

I'm not abrasive to most, but I give back what people give me and you're a completely biased idiot... But I give you credit for knowing I'm not some idiot named Lil Duce or El Duce or whatever the fk that idiot's name was... I've been around Boxing and boxing people all my life and that idiot sounds clueless.

Kalan and Golden Oldie the same person...at least one of them is Duce.. .three alter egos of the same idiot...

Kalan wrote: Lil Duce or El Duce or whatever the fk that idiot's name was...

The name was typed correctly on at least 3 occasions in this thread........ you're trying too hard to be vague and dismissive

I'm not trying anything... I don't care about the warped logic of idiots because it's like hiring a street drunk to run an errand. He's not going to get it.

Jaywheel wrote:Buzz needs a nemesis to fight loneliness. Now that Terap, Collins and Gran are long gone, Kalan's arrival is timely and appropriate. He's not even a fun troll.

indeed .....most convenient....a imaginary foe...much like a imaginary friend

however its not il duce he was far more sophisticated and relavent than this low brow everyday turd troll

For sheer poop, you're loaded with it... I notice you have nothing to say about the subject matter and your only objective is baiting me... That's trolling

Did Tyson have a prison fight? Hell no. That's accurate, and so is my reason behind why he did not get involved in any way with prison boxing.

Kalan wrote:For sheer poop, you're loaded with it... I notice you have nothing to say about the subject matter and your only objective is baiting me... That's trolling

Did Tyson have a prison fight? Hell no. That's accurate, and so is my reason behind why he did not get involved in any way with prison boxing.

Can you also admit to fabricating a quote? Or was that verbatim?

Tomasino wrote:

Kalan wrote:For sheer poop, you're loaded with it... I notice you have nothing to say about the subject matter and your only objective is baiting me... That's trolling

Did Tyson have a prison fight? Hell no. That's accurate, and so is my reason behind why he did not get involved in any way with prison boxing.

Can you also admit to fabricating a quote? Or was that verbatim?

He still sticks to his lie about seeing the non-existing films of the two first Zale-Graziano fights, so he's unlikely to admit to any lie.

I doubt Tyson had any fights or we probably would have heard at least rumblings of it.

FWIW one of my dads buddies (Danny) was a prison guard when Tommy Morrison was in and he said a few guys didn't believe he was who he said he was and tried him. According to him it didn't end well for them. I can't verify if it's true or not, but Danny is a very down to earth and isn't prone to hyperbole.

I'm sorry I don't have any made up quotes to share with the anecdote.

hhaehre wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Kalan wrote:For sheer poop, you're loaded with it... I notice you have nothing to say about the subject matter and your only objective is baiting me... That's trolling

Did Tyson have a prison fight? Hell no. That's accurate, and so is my reason behind why he did not get involved in any way with prison boxing.

Can you also admit to fabricating a quote? Or was that verbatim?

He still sticks to his lie about seeing the non-existing films of the two first Zale-Graziano fights, so he's unlikely to admit to any lie.

The first 2 Zale-Graziano fights were recorded. They exist or did exit, but they're currently unavailable for reasons unknown. You can talk to old timers in the fight game about popular historical boxing matches shown in theaters in the 1950's, '60s, even into the '70s. They showed fights going back to Dempsey because the public interest was there. The Zale-Graziano trilogy was one of the more spectacular series shown.

The first Ali-Frazier fight was shown for years after the fact... Even the Ali-Marciano "computer fight" featuring a computer made in Alabama, and resulting in a fat and toupeed Marciano knocking Ali out, got a lot of suckers to shell out for the viewing in theaters.

Also produced was an all-time Heavyweight Tournament of Champions featuring all great Heavyweight Champions up to Ali and broadcast on radio.. "Experts" such as Nat Fleischer and other old white guys imputed their knowledge into a computer and it spit out the winners of the match-ups---and some were pretty funny outcomes.. Max Baer beat Jack Johnson... Jeffries beat Ali... Marciano beat Tunney...

All the fights sounded spectacular in the raving and over-the-top broadcasts, with numerous big punches hurled and landed, caution thrown to the winds, and with knockdowns galore... Not surprisingly, given the bias of the experts and the whole commercial project, Dempsey met Marciano in the finals... This was after Dempsey predictably knocked out Louis in the semi-finals in a multi-knockdown affair. I listened to the broadcasts for amusement. After Marciano KO'd Dempsey in the 14th, Dempsey threatened to sue for damages to his reputation because, "Marciano could never beat me in my prime in a million years."

Kalan wrote: The first 2 Zale-Graziano fights were recorded. They exist or did exit, but they're currently unavailable for reasons unknown. You can talk to old timers in the fight game about popular historical boxing matches shown in theaters in the 1950's, '60s, even into the '70s.

This is simply not true, you are lying. The two first fights are not known to have been filmed professionally and films of these fights were certainly not showed in theaters in the 50's. Can you site any credible source to support your claim that these fights were professionally filmed and showed in theaters in the 50's?