BoxRec

Our Seventh thread in the series, following the success of the Heavyweight, Light Heavyweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight & Featherweight threads...

This is a game which will be decided by the wisdom of the crowd.

Each of us has our own opinions on who was better than who, or which achievement was greater than others.
But let's bring it all together and allow simple mathematics to decide it all.

The game is this, each poster names and ranks his Top 10 Bantamweights of all time and with each ranking comes a certain number of points.
First place gets 10 points, tenth place gets 1 point - and everything fits in between.

Posters are NOT allowed to edit their posts or change their minds as it will effect the overall accumulated points for each fighter.

I will keep a track of the total scoring each time I'm online. This game has a 30-day deadline, after 30 days - the final points totals will be decided.
Our deadline day will be April 1st.

14 Posters declared:
Crease
scartissue
APerno
Give up
davie
Keko
elmersalsa
Seamus
HyacinthusTurnipseed
crl333
Tomasino
BroughtonRulesRefuge
SaadOffTheDeck
Ambling Alp II


FINAL Scoreboard: (14 Members have voted)

1st - 135 pts Eder Jofre
2nd - 100 pts Ruben Olivares
Tied 3rd - 93 pts Panama Al Brown
Tied 3rd - 93 pts Carlos Zarate
5th - 58 pts Fighting Harada
6th - 55 pts Manuel Ortiz
7th - 41 pts Terry McGovern
8th - 32 pts Orlando Canizales
9th - 23 pts Pete Herman
Tied 10th - 20 pts Rafael Herrera
Tied 10th - 20 pts George Dixon

12th - 17 pts Veeraphol Sahaprom
13th - 12 pts Jeff Chandler11 pts Rafael Marquez
14th - 11 pts Rafael Marquez
15th - 10 pts Jimmy Barry
16th - 9 pts Khaosai Galaxy
17th - 6 pts Kid Williams
18th - 5 pts Chucho Castillo
Tied 19th - 4 pts Rodolfo Martinez
Tied 19th - 4 pts Joe Lynch
21st - 3 pts Alfonso Zamora
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Sixto Escobar
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Lupe Pintor
Tied 24th - 1 pt Jose Becerra
Tied 24th - 1 pt Lionel Rose
Tied 24th - 1 pt Memphis Pal Moore

I'll throw the first one out there.

1 Eder Jofre
2 Terry McGovern
3 Carlos Zarate
4 George Dixon
5 Orlando Canizales
6 Fighting Harada
7 Panama Al Brown
8 Ruben Olivares
9 Sixto Escobar
10 Manuel Ortiz

1) Ruben Olivares
2) Carlos Zarate
3) Eder Jofre
4) Rafael Herrera
5) Fighting Harada
6) Chucho Castillo
7) Rodolfo Martinez
8) Panama Al Brown
9) Jeff Chandler
10) Jose Becerra

Obviously the Mexican style holds a heavy influence on me. But those are my picks.

Bantamweights

1. Fighting Harada
2. Eder Jofre
3. Ruben Olivares
4. Orlando Cañizales
5. Manuel Ortiz
6. Panama Al Brown
7. Carlos Zarate
8. Alfonso Zamora
9. Jeff Chandler
10. Kid Williams
11. Peter Buckley (32-256-12) - Stopped only ten times over 256 losses - for a 'Knocked Out' percentage of only 0.039% - once went 88 straight fights without a win - ended his story career (fight 300) with a fourth round PST victory; he knew when to hang them up.

Ambivalent as to where to place Johnny Tapia, bantamweight or flyweight - one hell of a career at Super Flyweight. - The damn super and junior weight classes really didn't prove a problem until we got down to Lightweights - now with LW/FW/BW it seems many a great fighter falls between the cracks (weight classes).

Eder Jofre
Panama Al Brown
Ruben Olivares
Manuel Ortiz
Rafael Herrera
Carlos Zarate
Rafael Marquez
Orlando Canizales
Terry McGovern
Fighting Harada

Eder Jofre
Fighting Harada
Ruben Olivares
Carlos Zarate
Panama Al Brown
Kid Williams
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Manuel Ortiz
Lupe Pintor
Rafael Herrera

1. Eder Jofre
2. Ruben Olivares
3. Panama Al Brown
4. Carlos Zarate
5. Manuel Ortiz
6. Orlando Canizales
7. Fighting Harada
8. Rafael Herrera
9. Jeff Chandler
10.Terry McGovern

This is my list of all time greatest bantamweights:
1. Eder Jofre
2. Panama Al Brown
3. Carlos Zarate
4. Terry McGovern
5. Manuel Ortiz
6. Ruben Olivares
7. Fighting Harada
8. Jimmy Barry
9. George Dixon
10. Pete "Kid" Herman

I think I have it something like that. But, to me, Jofre and Brown should be top two.

The bantamweights and middleweights, to me, were the most difficult weight classifications to put a decent list. There are too much talented guys in those two divisions.

1.Terry McGovern
2.Eder Jofre
3.Carlos Zarate
4.Panama Al Brown
5.Ruben Olivares
6.Veeraphol Sahaprom
7.Pete Herman
8.Joe Lynch
9.Fighting Harada
10.Orlando Canizales

I will make the first update tomorrow.

Seamus wrote:1.Terry McGovern
2.Eder Jofre
3.Carlos Zarate
4.Panama Al Brown
5.Ruben Olivares
6.Veeraphol Sahaprom
7.Pete Herman
8.Joe Lynch
9.Fighting Harada
10.Orlando Canizales

Teerapol Samranklang aka Veeraphol Nakornluang aka Veeraphol Sahaprom: 18 title fights, lost his title to a Japanese fighter in Japan by decision - good inclusion - I am ignorant of anything/everybody in the fight game after 1995 - thanks for the education.

1. Panama Al Brown
2. Eder Jofre
3. Manuel Ortiz
4. Carlos Zarate
5. Fighting Harada
6. Orlando Canizalez
7. George Dixon
8. Ruben Olivarez
9. Veeraphol Sahaprom
10. Rafael Marquez

Just missed the list: McGovern, Herman, Chandler, Herrera

Marquez may be a idiosyncratic choice but he was a damn terrific bantamweight for a solid 5 year stretch in the early 2000s, and a personal favourite.

Down to 10 voters - I figured it would wain - I myself will probably bailout come the flyweights - the only names I know are Tapia and Carbajal, and after listing them, (and they probably don't belong there) all I would end up doing is cutting and pasting the names of eight Thai fighter, (whose names I can't spell or pronounce.)

I can not wait fly and a great category. This takes a long time now and there is so no much interested.

Bump.

BUMP

1. Jofre
2. Zarate
3. Brown
4. McGovern
5. Olivares
6. Ortiz
7. Dixon
8. Herman
9. Harada
10. Herrera

crl333 wrote:1. Jofre
2. Zarate
3. Brown
4. McGovern
5. Olivares
6. Ortiz
7. Dixon
8. Herman
9. Harada
10. Herrera

This is a pretty good list!

Keko wrote:I can not wait fly and a great category.

You will get your chance in the next few days.
April 1st is when the Flyweight begins...

I will update the scorevoard tomorrow...

(I had originally planned to let this month go through without the updates - as someone suggested in a previous thread - but what the hell?
We are near the end anyway.

10 guys voted, and how many voted on heavyweights, the most boring weight class in the history of the sport ?

Seamus wrote:10 guys voted, and how many voted on heavyweights, the most boring weight class in the history of the sport ?

It can't be. The bantamweights are one of the most exciting weight classes in history.

I was referring to the Heavies as the most boring.

Seamus wrote:10 guys voted, and how many voted on heavyweights, the most boring weight class in the history of the sport ?

I'm in no position to vote in any of the weight classes, there's no point as I have no knowledge of any fighters before 1950 and not much 1950-1970

I've tried but been really ill with some flu type shite and couldn't concentrate make my picks properly.

After a few days of feeling good and some revision, here goes

Jofre
Olivares
Brown
Herman
Zarate
Ortiz
Harada
Kaosai Galaxy
Veeraphol
Herrera