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We all suspected he was injured, although we didn't know the full extent of the injury. Turns out he had a pretty bad achilles injury. He was flat footed and very limited in terms of movement. When it went he got pasted and embarrassed by Bellew. He has to live with that.

I honestly think he should have pulled out. He's completely done his career, reputation and pride by getting a pasting from a guy he would clearly have beaten if injury free.

I'm sure the 4 million quid credited to his account this morning was a big factor in his decision.

He mentioned he'd injured his toe after a Klitschko fight. A fight that he went the distance in. This site has treated him with nothing but contempt about it ever since.

Now he should've pulled out injured? He can't win.

Yes.

I had money on him to pull out & judging by the state of him, it looks like he should have done!

All the times he's pulled out of fights, now he suddenly felt he can go through with this one?

His career would have been in tatters if he pulled out and probably beyond repair and I am sure he was so confident of Bellew not being able to take the power that he considered it a risk worth taking.

When he came back, people were already saying "I will buy a ticket only when I see him start a ring walk" as they were fed up with losing hotel/travel money on his fights with the history of pull outs. To now pull out just three days before this fight would have been the end and he knew it. He had no other options.

In his mind, he knew this reality and probably considered it would hamper him but not enough to end up losing.

ILikeBeer wrote:He mentioned he'd injured his toe after a Klitschko fight. A fight that he went the distance in. This site has treated him with nothing but contempt about it ever since.

Now he should've pulled out injured? He can't win.

I don't think any of us think the toe injury had any relevance in the fight. He was outclassed by a bigger wlad. The way he presented the toe after the fight was the embarrassing aspect there. He really came across badly. But there was 10 million quid on the table.

I actually think he should have pulled out of the Wlad fight with the toe anyway. You can't be going into fights with serious injuries.

One thing I'm not taking into account enough is the money aspect. Getting clubbed and embarrassed on a global scale for 4 million quid, I'd do it myself no problem.

Tricky one but he did manage okay up until the stumble when he twisted it, and pulling out days before would have made him a laughing stock on top of the Fury pullouts & toegate.

So I'd go with no, he was correct to fight given he was mvoving okay (if not perfect) and had a legit chance of ending the fight early. When it went however, he should have been pulled out by his corner.

Your comments regarding his reputation, I disagree. From what I've read on forums, twitter and what not he's getting a fair amount of support for fighting on through a bad injury. In a perverse way this might actually have done his rep some good, 'showing heart' or whatever they call it.

I don't think he should have pulled out but he was clearly hampered by the injury. He thought he could bomb Bellew out early, as most people thought, and that just didn't happen. I do wonder how much the injury affected his prep as his timing was way off which suggests he hadn't sparred much, maybe because of not wanting to aggrevate the injury more.

No win situation....... although given the implications of pulling out (impact on fans, reputation etc) and the healthy bank balance he'll be waking up to, he did the logical thing.

Made some headway with the fans by showing the heart he did.

Still can't get my head around why he was bouncing in like Zebedee early on given the nature of his injury. Boxers at that level slip them for fun, as Bellew demonstrated. When he calmed down, he was out boxing Bellew with ease.

Has shown an element of class post fight from what I've seen. Although given the opposition's lack of acknowledgement of the real situation, I've a feeling handbags will be drawn in due course.

From a fans point of view, of course. Who wants to pay to see an injured boxer?

I have lost money on Haye pull outs in the past, 2 infact. The first fight against Charr, I lost ticket fee money, was only about £50 fee for 4 tickets. The second pull out cost me £100ish. That was the Fury fight. I got my full ticket refund back and the boking fee but lost my Travelodge booking even though I took out a cancellation fee with Travelodge. This fight being in London would have cost millions if lost revenue. The booking fee wouldnt have been refunded and many hotel fees would have been lost, along with train ticket costings and flights etc etc.

It would have been a serious situation for Haye if he had pulled out. He had no choice in my opinion to take the fight, if the case was that he did infact have a prefight injury.

On this occasion I do not think Haye could have pulled out and kept face he simply had no option, however the nature of the injury wasnt as such that he broke his arm or leg and had absolutely no option other than pull out of the fight.

Shit happens, but often when you cry wolf on occasions people start not to believe you when you suddnely cry wolf once again.

TheLeprechaun wrote:We all suspected he was injured, although we didn't know the full extent of the injury. Turns out he had a pretty bad achilles injury. He was flat footed and very limited in terms of movement. When it went he got pasted and embarrassed by Bellew. He has to live with that.

I honestly think he should have pulled out. He's completely done his career, reputation and pride by getting a pasting from a guy he would clearly have beaten if injury free.

I'm sure the 4 million quid credited to his account this morning was a big factor in his decision.

If haye would of pulled out it would of been worse for his career than what happened on saturday,i believe he thought he would of k.oed bellew even with a dodgy leg,chance ya take. My concern was how bad was his timing? He was well out,i dont think he done any sparring before this fight and if he did it was early in the camp cause there is no way your timing would be that bad

Like others have said I think he was clearly going into the fight injured but I think he had no option but to go ahead with it having incurred big training camp expenses and given his history of pulling out of fights.

The whole situation is really unsatisfactory though. We had an outcome to the fight that was clearly affected by the injury once the Achilles snapped. You only have to look at the CompuBox numbers to see that and now of course Hearn and Bellew are proclaiming it to be an incredible win and suggesting Bellew can go on and win a heavyweight world title. Eddie Hearn mustn't be able to believe his luck at times. He gets Joshua handed a world title against one of the most awful champions in history and now even Bellew benefits from a win against a guy who was injured pre-fight and totally incapacitated mid-fight.

In terms of whether there should be a re-match, I think it's an utter no brainer if Haye can get fit enough to fight. The fight would clearly sell given the unsatisfactory outcome to this one and Bellew gets a majority of the pie. A fit and focused Haye beats him every day of the week but frankly as far as Bellew and Hearn are concerned who cares? It's the ultimate cashout at the end of a tough career.

mimmy123 wrote:I have lost money on Haye pull outs in the past, 2 infact. The first fight against Charr, I lost ticket fee money, was only about £50 fee for 4 tickets. The second pull out cost me £100ish. That was the Fury fight. I got my full ticket refund back and the boking fee but lost my Travelodge booking even though I took out a cancellation fee with Travelodge. This fight being in London would have cost millions if lost revenue. The booking fee wouldnt have been refunded and many hotel fees would have been lost, along with train ticket costings and flights etc etc.

It would have been a serious situation for Haye if he had pulled out. He had no choice in my opinion to take the fight, if the case was that he did infact have a prefight injury.

On this occasion I do not think Haye could have pulled out and kept face he simply had no option, however the nature of the injury wasnt as such that he broke his arm or leg and had absolutely no option other than pull out of the fight.

poo happens, but often when you cry wolf on occasions people start not to believe you when you suddnely cry wolf once again.

I don't get it at all mate. You'd rather have watched that nonsense on Saturday night?

i loved the post-fight interview where Haye said called him Tony Bennet and said he'd love a rematch in his hometown of Mnchester.

F him. Lying in bed bragging about how great shape he's in and bragging about how good his nutritionist is and how much damage he's going to do and how disappointed in bellew he was.

Deserved all he got. He couldlnt pull out because he'd of made even more of a spectacle of himself. Hopefully he retires

vidal wrote:No win situation....... although given the implications of pulling out (impact on fans, reputation etc) and the healthy bank balance he'll be waking up to, he did the logical thing.

Made some headway with the fans by showing the heart he did.

Still can't get my head around why he was bouncing in like Zebedee early on given the nature of his injury. Boxers at that level slip them for fun, as Bellew demonstrated. When he calmed down, he was out boxing Bellew with ease.

Has shown an element of class post fight from what I've seen. Although given the opposition's lack of acknowledgement of the real situation, I've a feeling handbags will be drawn in due course.

Agree with every word of this. With the amount of nonsense of heard about this fight, it's good to hear someone get it (and actually there's are a fair few on this particular thread). He really was in a no-win situation, he couldn't pull out again.

But yeah, why he thought he could land with those wild lunges (from Timbucktoo as the Duke might say) I'm not sure. But I know someone on here thought there was a problem with his right shoulder because most of these hayemakers were coming from the left side.

It won't be the most glorious way to end a career but he showed heart and integrity.

DazDiCanio wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:I have lost money on Haye pull outs in the past, 2 infact. The first fight against Charr, I lost ticket fee money, was only about £50 fee for 4 tickets. The second pull out cost me £100ish. That was the Fury fight. I got my full ticket refund back and the boking fee but lost my Travelodge booking even though I took out a cancellation fee with Travelodge. This fight being in London would have cost millions if lost revenue. The booking fee wouldnt have been refunded and many hotel fees would have been lost, along with train ticket costings and flights etc etc.

It would have been a serious situation for Haye if he had pulled out. He had no choice in my opinion to take the fight, if the case was that he did infact have a prefight injury.

On this occasion I do not think Haye could have pulled out and kept face he simply had no option, however the nature of the injury wasnt as such that he broke his arm or leg and had absolutely no option other than pull out of the fight.

poo happens, but often when you cry wolf on occasions people start not to believe you when you suddnely cry wolf once again.

I don't get it at all mate. You'd rather have watched that nonsense on Saturday night?

Im sorry I dont follow you?

I remember Calzaghe pulling out injure quite a bit but then he reckoned it got to a point where he just had to fight regardless

Terminator666 wrote:I remember Calzaghe pulling out injure quite a bit but then he reckoned it got to a point where he just had to fight regardless

Yeah I read that. I think he was ready for pulling out the Lacy fight and his dad basically told him that if he pulls out he'd be a laughing stock and he'd just have to fight regardless.

He didn't look injured before the injury.

He couldn't really - with his history of pullouts and injuries, no one would buy a ticket to see him again. And he needs the money

Tony1244 wrote:He didn't look injured before the injury.

Are you trolling mate?

He went to a Munich clinic three days before the fight. Rumours were everywhere, including this forum, that it was his achilles which was damaged. He walked into the ring gingerly (as seen on the iFL video below) with flat feet, bit of a limp and walking carefully to ensure his heel did not hit the floor first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-iXTgtqc0E&t=22s

tobyh5 wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:He didn't look injured before the injury.

Are you trolling mate?

He went to a Munich clinic three days before the fight. Rumours were everywhere, including this forum, that it was his achilles which was damaged. He walked into the ring gingerly (as seen on the iFL video below) with flat feet, bit of a limp and walking carefully to ensure his heel did not hit the floor first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-iXTgtqc0E&t=22s

Ha, if Haye thought he got stick over the toe injury, imagine what he'd have got if he'd have done his Achilles just walking to the ring

Yes it seems pretty obvious now that he hadid some sort of problem going in. Was pretty stupid of him bouncing up and down on the spot like he did just before it went. That's the maximal force you can put through the tendon.

DazDiCanio wrote:From a fans point of view, of course. Who wants to pay to see an injured boxer?

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