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I really doubt Saunders, Jermall or Canelo would fight Lemieux, so Willie is a good opponent.

Monroe would have some success before being inevitably knocked out.

I think Jermall Charlo would fight Lemieux. And beat him.

diddy wrote:I think Jermall Charlo would fight Lemieux. And beat him.

I want to see this fight!!

apollo creed wrote:

diddy wrote:I think Jermall Charlo would fight Lemieux. And beat him.

I want to see this fight!!

Me too. Not sure about Haymon.

boxing_rocks wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

diddy wrote:I think Jermall Charlo would fight Lemieux. And beat him.

I want to see this fight!!

Me too. Not sure about Haymon.

Do you really think this will happen in the near future ? Let me doubt that.

yeah this and the guy who beat kythrov against lemieaux!!

boxing_rocks wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

diddy wrote:I think Jermall Charlo would fight Lemieux. And beat him.

I want to see this fight!!

Me too. Not sure about Haymon.

I have the feeling that Jermall will be careful matched till somehow GGG doesn't have anymore his titles.

Jermall just fought Trout and Julian Williams. No matching carefully here.

No, although I dont think Williams is much better (if at all) than someone like Maciej Sulecki. A fighter isnt hot stuff simply because theyre an American junior middleweight.

Actually, Sulecki would be a good MW for Charlo to start off with

I think Charlo is Overrated.

A bit in my opinion, at least by those depicting him as a major threat significantly beyond the level of the current top contenders.

Close win over a Trout who had been routed by Lara and was recently looking shaky. Then a nice stoppage in a 2-2 fight with a decent but hardly top tier opponent. Again, Im not really sure why J Rock should rate any higher than Sulecki, who very few talk about being a top MW.

In my opinion American junior middleweights are collectively overrated.

crusader wrote:A bit in my opinion, at least by those depicting him as a major threat significantly beyond the level of the current top contenders.

Close win over a Trout who had been routed by Lara and was recently looking shaky. Then a nice stoppage in a 2-2 fight with a decent but hardly top tier opponent. Again, Im not really sure why J Rock should rate any higher than Sulecki, who very few talk about being a top MW.

In my opinion American junior middleweights are collectively overrated.

The fact that Trout, Vanes, Soro and Bandrage are in boxrec top 10 proves that. Trout, Liam Smith and Soro are also in Ring top 10.

Good fight. Just shows you how good GGG is! He handled both guys without any bother!

diddy wrote:Jermall just fought Trout and Julian Williams. No matching carefully here.

Two guys he was bigger then and who weren't big time punchers. Charlo gets hit too much to beat Lemieux, IMO.

Charlo can punch. Would love to see him fight Lemiuex. Would be an entertaining fight. I like Lemiuex but his best wins arent exactly worldbeaters so before we start belittling Charlo's wins because guys like Williams are "American junior middleweights" let's try to evaluate things evenly on both sides. Charlo would be Lemiuex's best win. Easily.

Beating Lemiuex would be about on par with beating Trout, considering his accomplishments. However, this is boxing so we will be lucky to see this fight any time soon. Among dozens of others.

I think beating Lemieux at 160 would be more difficult than beating the version of Trout Charlo fought down at 154. Charlo is clearly a good fighter and will be a player at MW, but despite being a top guy from the supposedly loaded 154 division, I don't think he's shown himself to be at a whole different level than the likes of Jacobs, Lemieux, or even an on form BJS. In my view he's also benefited from a big size advantage at 154.

Julian Williams is one JMW you talked up for a while, but can you tell me why he deserves to be rated as a better fighter than Maciej Sulecki? What are his three best wins? Easy to rate JMW as a division filled with 'killers' when you selectively give that much credit for that little. This group of killers is getting much of their props from beating guys like J Rock, Willie Nelson, and Tony Harrison, and two of the top fighters have scored their best win over solid but limited Vanes; first there was Andrade, who got up to win a SD, then there was Charlo, who won a very close decision that many had even or going against him. Vanes' best win is probably over the aforementioned Willie Nelson, and most recently Jermell had to come back from 6-1 down against John Jackson, while Andrade looked unimpressive in an 8-4 type win against Jack freaking Culcay.

I think the best MW is better than the best JMW, and I believe people exaggerate how little depth there is at 160 compared to other divisions. The MWs shoulder try to be flashier and more American I guess, then they can be killers too..

crusader wrote:I think beating Lemieux at 160 would be more difficult than beating the version of Trout Charlo fought down at 154. Charlo is clearly a good fighter and will be a player at MW, but despite being a top guy from the supposedly loaded 154 division, I don't think he's shown himself to be at a whole different level than the likes of Jacobs, Lemieux, or even an on form BJS. In my view he's also benefited from a big size advantage at 154.

Julian Williams is one JMW you talked up for a while, but can you tell me why he deserves to be rated as a better fighter than Maciej Sulecki? What are his three best wins? Easy to rate JMW as a division filled with 'killers' when you selectively give that much credit for that little. This group of killers is getting much of their props from beating guys like J Rock, Willie Nelson, and Tony Harrison, and two of the top fighters have scored their best win over solid but limited Vanes; first there was Andrade, who got up to win a SD, then there was Charlo, who won a very close decision that many had even or going against him. Vanes' best win is probably over the aforementioned Willie Nelson, and most recently Jermell had to come back from 6-1 down against John Jackson, while Andrade looked unimpressive in an 8-4 type win against Jack freaking Culcay.

I think the best MW is better than the best JMW, and I believe people exaggerate how little depth there is at 160 compared to other divisions. The MWs shoulder try to be flashier and more American I guess, then they can be killers too..

Jermall is better than Jermell. Much bigger puncher.

Just so we are clear - Jermall wouldn't be Lemiuex's best win? Are you seriously arguing otherwise?

Lemieux' best win is Curtis Stevens who has never beaten anybody.

Lemieux's best win is over Ndam

I never said Jermall wouldnt be his best win, but I think Charlo is getting a bit overrated, along with a bunch of other American JMWs. The division isnt loaded at all if 160 sucks..

Big deal if some guys beat Willie Nelson, Tony Harrison, and just squeaked by Vanes or had to come back from 6-1 down to stop John Jackson. Your boy Williams has beaten pretty much no one by the way....

But they're American and have swag!

Why does it always become an argument on American lines? Just shows a certain inferiority complex or some other sort of complex. Charlo would be Lemiuex's best win. I don't care if one of them fights on Mars. This is fact.

crusader wrote:Lemieux's best win is over Ndam

I never said Jermall wouldnt be his best win, but I think Charlo is getting a bit overrated, along with a bunch of other American JMWs. The division isnt loaded at all if 160 sucks..

Big deal if some guys beat Willie Nelson, Tony Harrison, and just squeaked by Vanes or had to come back from 6-1 down to stop John Jackson. Your boy Williams has beaten pretty much no one by the way....

But they're American and have swag!

And why do you keep talking about Jermell? He's not the better twin. Jermell is just decent. Nothing more.

I mention Jermell because he's a top fighter in a division that you've labelled full of killers.

I'm not sure why you're rating the 154 group so highly. Could you explain how 160 sucks while 154 is stacked? What's the difference, and why should we rate someone like Williams any higher than someone like Sulecki?

I could go for Lemieux vs Willie Monroe. Lemieux vs Andy Lee would be fun too. More fun than Lemieux vs Willie.

"I could go" for anyone decent or better v Lemieux.